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#93 Jan 13, 2014
LGK wrote:
I've read virtually all the posts so far. I'm afraid my Christian friends are misinformed about the Israel of today. It doesn't take much research to uncover that it's current inhabitants are not Biblical Hebrews. Yiddish is not Hebrew.
As a Christian what sometimes worries me the belief common amongst my fellow believers that 1948 was a fulfilment of last days prophecy. At best it's a counterfeit & at worst I dread t think.
It's about the Land of Israel.

THE LAND OF ISRAEL

Ezekiel 11:17 (NKJV)
17 Therefore say,'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."

God isn't bringing them back because they are righteous. He brought them back to save them. It has NOTHING to do with righteousness.
LGK

Preston, UK

#94 Jan 13, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>It's about the Land of Israel.
THE LAND OF ISRAEL
Ezekiel 11:17 (NKJV)
17 Therefore say,'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."
God isn't bringing them back because they are righteous. He brought them back to save them. It has NOTHING to do with righteousness.
Further on Ezekiel 11:20 says, "they will follow my decrees & be careful to keep my laws." Would you say any of this applies to the people in Israel today?

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#95 Jan 13, 2014
LGK wrote:
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Further on Ezekiel 11:20 says, "they will follow my decrees & be careful to keep my laws." Would you say any of this applies to the people in Israel today?
The only reason Israel is a nation again today is to prepare for the advent of the Messiah. The Jews will make the Messiah their king. She cannot go to Jerusalem until the Temple is rebuilt. The Jews have rejected their Messiah who made an appearance 30 years ago and they will be conquered and exiled by Syria and Egypt until they get it right. The only reason Israel exists is because of the Messiah, who is also God incarnate. The USA is also very young and they are the 10 lost tribes, the northern kingdom. Messiah/God and all the players are American and they will go into Russian captivity.

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#96 Jan 13, 2014
LGK wrote:
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Further on Ezekiel 11:20 says, "they will follow my decrees & be careful to keep my laws." Would you say any of this applies to the people in Israel today?
Be patient. They will. God brought them back for starters.
LGK

Preston, UK

#97 Jan 14, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The only reason Israel is a nation again today is to prepare for the advent of the Messiah. The Jews will make the Messiah their king. She cannot go to Jerusalem until the Temple is rebuilt. The Jews have rejected their Messiah who made an appearance 30 years ago and they will be conquered and exiled by Syria and Egypt until they get it right. The only reason Israel exists is because of the Messiah, who is also God incarnate. The USA is also very young and they are the 10 lost tribes, the northern kingdom. Messiah/God and all the players are American and they will go into Russian captivity.
Which Jews? It would appear that the current inhabitants of this land are Europeans wholly unrelated to the tribe of Judah.

On the USA, did you say Amercans are the 10 lost tribes?

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#98 Jan 14, 2014
LGK wrote:
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Which Jews? It would appear that the current inhabitants of this land are Europeans wholly unrelated to the tribe of Judah.
On the USA, did you say Amercans are the 10 lost tribes?
Northwestern Europe, what used to be called "free Europe" are the northern kingdom of Israel, the 10 lost tribes. The USA is the melting pot and we are called Israel, the house of Joseph and Ephraim. Both Thanksgiving and the eagle are mentioned in the bible. We are the part of Israel that is joined to idols. The term "Jew" comes from a member of the house of Judah, the southern kingdom. Both kingdoms will be punished by the God of Israel. They will be conquered and go into captivity.
LGK

Preston, UK

#99 Jan 14, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Northwestern Europe, what used to be called "free Europe" are the northern kingdom of Israel, the 10 lost tribes. The USA is the melting pot and we are called Israel, the house of Joseph and Ephraim. Both Thanksgiving and the eagle are mentioned in the bible. We are the part of Israel that is joined to idols. The term "Jew" comes from a member of the house of Judah, the southern kingdom. Both kingdoms will be punished by the God of Israel. They will be conquered and go into captivity.
How about references?

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#101 Jan 14, 2014
LGK wrote:
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How about references?
There is a book written by Herbert W. Armstrong called "The United States and Britain in prophecy" and it explains all of this. Joseph was to be a colonizing people. Genesis 49:22 "Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall". Denmark means "Dans mark" and "British" is a Hebrew word that means "covenant people". From Assyrian captivity, the house of Israel migrated to the north and west into the coastlands and isles. We are "lost" because we don't keep the Sabbath which would identify our Hebrew heritage. We are also once again joined to idols.
LGK

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#103 Jan 15, 2014
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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MANY LIKE THIS ONE:
In the year 1665, a fantastic manifesto made its way like lightning to all corners of the Islamic, Jewish and Christian worlds. Publicized by the charismatic rabbi, Nathan of Gaza, the letter announced that the Messiah had arrived:
"Hear ye, brethren in Israel that our Messiah is come to life in the city of Ismir and his name is Shabbetai Zevi. Soon, he will show forth his kingdom to all and will take the royal crown from the head of the Sultan and place it on his own. When nine months have passed, our Messiah shall vanish from before the eyes of Israel, and no one should be able to say if he is alive or dead. He will cross the river Sambatyon, which as all men know no mortal has ever crossed. There, our Messiah shall ride forth through Jerusalem, with Moses and all the Jews of old mounted on horses. He himself shall ride on a dragon, and his bridle rein shall be a snake with seven heads. On his way, he will be attacked by Gog and Magog, the enemies of Israel, with a mighty arm. But the Messiah with the breath of his nostril shall he rout them, and by his word alone, shall he utterly destroy them. And when he is entered in Jerusalem, God will send down a temple of gold and precious stones from heaven, and it will fill the city with its brilliance. On that day shall the dead throughout the world rise from their graves. I hasten to tell you these tidings."

Drawing upon the mystic teachings of the Kabbalah, he proclaimed to the Jewish world that their redemption was at hand. His ideas reached and fired Christians and Jews alike in Morocco, Tunis, Egypt and Italy. Rumor soon arose and became rampant that an army comprised of the lost tribes was marching up through Africa in the direction of Mecca.
The Turkish authorities became concerned. In 1666, Shabbetai Zevi was arrested and to save himself from beheading, he soon converted to Islam. Thus, the story ended in bitter despair and disappointment for all his followers.... Strangely, but as such cults often do,... many of his hard-core disciples copied the example of their "Messiah"; thousands of Jews converted to Islam as well.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/losttribe...
The monotheistic fundies never seem to learn from such repetitious examples, and can't seem to grow up and out from their Biblical/Koranical mythologies and superstitions!!
The modern neo cortex come to terms with the fact that "Old Tyme Religion" is DEAD!
...
Elohim-dead! YHWH-dead! Bible-dead! Torah-dead! David Kingdom-dead! Israel-dead!
Tribe of Judah-dead! Mt Zion-dead! Solomon Temple-dead! Levite Priest & Altar-dead!
Essenes-dead! Zealots-dead! Jesus-dead! Apostolic Church-dead! Paulianity-dead!, etc.!
All that's left is a huge garbage heap of Jewish, Islamic, Christian (Catholic & Protestant)
Dry Wells, comprising all the temples, churches and mosques I'd much prefer calling,...
Churchianity!"
Hardie-Har-Har!
Here's the basic error: The above conflates religion/s with the actual existence of God. These are fundamentally different. Let's grant that all traditional religions are societally dead. So? God would still exist for He pre- & will certainly post-date religions. I know that God exists based on other reasons besides what's in religion/s. And knowledge of God's existence is just that, knowledge - an epistemological position. So if the above is meant to debunk Christianity it falls flat at the feet of Christianity's foundation: God.

Another point is that modern Man labours under the delusion that he can be free from religion & specifically, atheism is religiously neutral. Alas. We are ALL religious & those who reject other religions themselves unwittingly adopt a relious position, idolatry.

Back to Israel, the folk currently occupying that real estate ain't the real deal. And dare I say, they have a very powerful machinery to keep that from being known. Gods chosen? I don't think so.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#104 Jan 17, 2014
LGK wrote:
I've read virtually all the posts so far. I'm afraid my Christian friends are misinformed about the Israel of today. It doesn't take much research to uncover that it's current inhabitants are not Biblical Hebrews. Yiddish is not Hebrew.

As a Christian what sometimes worries me the belief common amongst my fellow believers that 1948 was a fulfilment of last days prophecy. At best it's a counterfeit & at worst I dread t think.
I dread to think of that scenario as well. Especially in light of Netanyahu's recent belligerent speech in favor of Israel launching an unjustifiable war against the Iranian people. Of course, he would prefer it if the American goyim did the fighting for him.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#105 Jan 17, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>It's about the Land of Israel.

THE LAND OF ISRAEL

Ezekiel 11:17 (NKJV)
17 Therefore say,'Thus says the Lord GOD: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel."

God isn't bringing them back because they are righteous. He brought them back to save them. It has NOTHING to do with righteousness.
Nope, you are wrong again. You are also demonstrating your ignorance regarding Zionism in modern history as well. It was *not God* who brought them back to Israel, it was the banking oligarchs known as the Rothschilds. Lord Balfour illegally signed Israel over to lord Rothschild not long after the end of World War 1.
Aussie Bob

Adelaide, Australia

#106 Jan 17, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>We are also once again joined to idols.
No more so than the supposed Jews of modern Israel.

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#107 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
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Nope, you are wrong again. You are also demonstrating your ignorance regarding Zionism in modern history as well. It was *not God* who brought them back to Israel, it was the banking oligarchs known as the Rothschilds. Lord Balfour illegally signed Israel over to lord Rothschild not long after the end of World War 1.
The Bible foretold the birth of Israel LONG before 1948. You're wrong. It is indeed the hand of God.

“Jesus loves you all!”

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#108 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you are wrong again. You are also demonstrating your ignorance regarding Zionism in modern history as well. It was *not God* who brought them back to Israel, it was the banking oligarchs known as the Rothschilds. Lord Balfour illegally signed Israel over to lord Rothschild not long after the end of World War 1.
http://m.youtube.com/watch...

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#109 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you are wrong again. You are also demonstrating your ignorance regarding Zionism in modern history as well. It was *not God* who brought them back to Israel, it was the banking oligarchs known as the Rothschilds. Lord Balfour illegally signed Israel over to lord Rothschild not long after the end of World War 1.
http://www.therefinersfire.org/jews_return_to...

“Jesus loves you all!”

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#110 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you are wrong again. You are also demonstrating your ignorance regarding Zionism in modern history as well. It was *not God* who brought them back to Israel, it was the banking oligarchs known as the Rothschilds. Lord Balfour illegally signed Israel over to lord Rothschild not long after the end of World War 1.
By the way, who funded Europeans taking over Australia?

Let me know if you need a hint.

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#111 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
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No more so than the supposed Jews of modern Israel.
An idol is the physical representation of a (dead) god or other instrument of worship, like a cross (tree). The Messiah will not come to Jerusalem until the land is purged of those who worship other gods and the Temple is rebuilt. It is called "the holy land" for a reason. There will be no sinners in the land of Israel.
LGK

Blackpool, UK

#112 Jan 17, 2014
Aussie Bob wrote:
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I dread to think of that scenario as well. Especially in light of Netanyahu's recent belligerent speech in favor of Israel launching an unjustifiable war against the Iranian people. Of course, he would prefer it if the American goyim did the fighting for him.
The tail Israel wags the dog USA & uses Christianity for support. I feel sorry for my Christian brothers who are told Iran is a threat or enemy & believe it. This is a classic example of religion being used to manipulate people & I can sometimes see where critical atheists are coming from. The Balfour agreement writers read their OldTestament alright.

The 1st time I read Revelation 12:9 "... He who fools the WHOLE world.." I thought no, how could that be possible? But listening to my some of my favourite pastors talking about post-1948 Israel I can see how this, not can but has happened.

Now this next bit makes me chuckle, they are called Israelis right? That passes nicely for Israelite to the unthinking. That's just great, I like that it beats naming your private company the "Federal Reserve"; not federal & no reserves!! Wow

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