How can a gay be a Christian??
James

Charlotte, NC

#2162 Mar 23, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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Would not surprise me to learn you sit next to an atheist in church.
Their is also a growing number of Ministers who are secretly atheist.
They even have a website.
http://www.clergyproject.org/
"A recent study from Tufts University tells the story of several pastors who no longer believe in God. Most are still working in churches, still preaching sermons, and still counseling the faithful. They are isolated and, in some cases, unable to confide even in their own families, for fear of what their newfound disbelief may do to their relationships. Listen to one pastor’s story."

Great website, thanks! I'm thinking about joining, because I don't know how to come out of the closet to my family and friends about being a new atheist. Thanks again!
James

Charlotte, NC

#2163 Mar 23, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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The saddest one I can recall was a 2 year old that choked on a banana she showed signs of life for an hour as adults just prayed over her till she died. I get tears in my eyes just typing it.
The parents of a precious 2 year old that could watch their child die while having faith in prayer should be a wake up call to everyone. Most of us are never put in a position like this but no matter how strong your faith is god doesn't answer prayers even though the bible says he does. Don't be a fool and say they didn't have faith because they had so much faith they let a 2 year old die. Would you have faith in the words of Jesus that says he will answer anything you ask in his name to the point of letting your 2 year old die?

Since: Jun 07

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#2167 Mar 23, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
You and I been on Topix for some time now. I found it hard to believe you though I was anti homosexual rights. I though it was clear to all, I'm a free thinking humanist atheist. IMO, we are all equal in this the HUMAN race.
Well, in my old age, I sometimes am forgetful. But yes, I remember you now. It's great to hear from you. And I totally agree that we are all equal in the human race.
James

Charlotte, NC

#2169 Mar 23, 2013
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NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, where is the word "IGNORANT" used in the King James Version(1611) of the bible?
By using modern versions of the bible just goes to show how much of an idiot you are........newer versions of the bible clearly violate Revelations 22:18-19!!!
Just so you know why I reference those scriptures:
Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
In other words, when you use scriptures from NKJV or any of the other newer bibles, by changing the words, you change the meaning and therefore violate Revelations!!!
Good point, I always preached from the KJV but I would stay away from verses like this that said that god would take one of the two homosexual men out of the same bed.

" Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."(Luke17:30)

"I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." (Luke 17:34)
"Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left."(Luke 17:35)

So it looks like even if the god of the bible was real he planed on taking homosexuals to heaven anyway which makes sense because they are born that way right:)

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

United States

#2171 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>Did I say that you said Christians were born any type of way. Indeed, I did not, since you could not know.
You see, all unbelievers, gays and atheists are evil, hateful and filled with debauchery. It is the nature.
Now, all Christians are loving and kind, period, it is just that you don't get to decide what is loving and kind, since your mind is reprobated towards God.
Your problem is your hate and your lie. When did a Christian ever say that Christianity was a religion.
It is your bigotry and hate that is at hand, in my humble opinion. <smile>
You are a pervert of the worse kind.
little lamb

Australia

#2174 Mar 23, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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If sex is strictly supposed to be between "a" man and "a" woman, then perhaps, you can explain why there are many more women in this word than men. Besides, discovered that it was not good for man to be alone "after" He created Adam, right? And guess what He did next? No, He did not create woman, but rather the animals, right? Perhaps, this is where the idea of bestiality comes from. At any rate, according to your bible, women as supposed to allow men to rule over them.
As such, if this is what you want to believe, then you have every right. But I think that it's a good think that many women have decided not to let men rule of them, but rather treat them with dignity and respect.
By the way, if Christian were cleansing themselves rather than worrying about what was going on in someone else's bedroom, perhaps, they would be following Jesus' teaching about getting the log out of their own eyes first, right?
I don't find any scriptures stating men are to RULE over women..i find the principal of headship , which is about respect

i can only find men are to love their wives as their own bodies..not love another man as his body .
James

Charlotte, NC

#2175 Mar 23, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
<quoted text>
If I am not Black, then perhaps, the public school system made a mistake in keeping me segregated from White students during my first 4 years of school. And if I am not Black, then perhaps, I should not have had to pick cotton and crop tobacco during my early teens years. But fortunately for me, I am Black and proud to such. Further, I feel honored to stand with gays in their struggle to be able to love whom they please, just like many White folks stood with my ancestors in their fight for equality.
<quoted text>
Being Black is not synonymous with anything other than being Black. On the other hand, the struggle for equality is comparable, regardless if it because of one‘s skin color or sexual orientation.
<quoted text>
Again, they both struggles were for equality.
<quoted text>
Well, one would be enough for me to say it is wrong. But then again, perhaps, you have never heard of Matthew Shepard.
<quoted text>
You cannot be serious. In other words, I hope that your proof of the this drug and money allegation is more than the testimony of the convicted felons.
<quoted text>
“Many civil rights and gay rights activists have recently been upset that Alveda King, a right-wing preacher who happens to be the niece of Martin Luther King, recently made the false claim that Rustin, a close advisor to King, tried to get King to embrace the "homosexual agenda" as part of the civil rights movement”(Dreier, 2012).
<quoted text>
With all due respect, please know that as a Black man, I do not have to depend on any FBI crime report.
That was very touching and you are a very kind person. I admire your ability to deal with the unsavory characters on here that claim to be Christian as you expose them with your kind heart. I know many people used the bible to justify slavery and racial discrimination especially in the south, did you experience this?

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

United States

#2176 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>Your dad was a pedophile of the second worse kind. You being the worse, a gay pedophile
You just proved it, Doc. You are a pervert. You are a crazy fool! Face it man! Your brain is in your dickhead. Pervert you are, jerk.
little lamb

Australia

#2177 Mar 23, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Please quote the specific verse, whereas Jesus said this without any acrobatic interpretation, with all due respect.
You know it is written, that Jesus tells us to preach from the HOUSETOPS.....this is just pure pontificating.
little lamb

Australia

#2178 Mar 23, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Well, you should know by now that you are engaging in a discussion with someone who does not live his life based on unverifiable claims of supernatural knowledge, with all due respect. Further, you should also know that you do not have to believe in something in order of it to be either true or false.
On the other hand, it appears that you believe that Jesus was put to death for everyone sins, just like the Jews had plotted, right? And if you do not understand what I am referring to, then you might want to read your own bible, with all due respect. And if you like, I will quote the verse for you.
I will give you that..a truth is a truth and a truth can come out of the mouth of a babe.

But only unbelief is coming out of your mouth..

I believe Jesus is the great shepherd of the sheep , whom God has raised up from the dead with the BLOOD of an everlasting covenant.

So my Jesus is very much ALIVE..you are the one trying to promulgate a dead Christ..
James

Charlotte, NC

#2183 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>But, since you think that God is not real and you are gay, then you are going to hell. You know, since gays were born as pedophiles and born that way.:)
These are the facts, the god of the bible is not real, there is a small possibility that a god does exist, hell does not exist, people are born gay, I'm not gay and if anybody on here is gay it would be you. If you took the gay porn test in the link you would fail for sure. Homophobic = closet Christian gay! Any questions?

Since: Jun 07

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#2186 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
It appears that you gave an indignant response right there, with all due respect.
You lying on MLK Jr. is evidence that you are not black and you are gay. Any gay fool can post a photo as an avatar. Most do it for deception effects with all due respect.
If you would like to engage in a meaningful debate, I will oblige. Therefore, I would appreciate it if you could dispense with the unfounded and baseless claims about my race and/or sexuality. Now,“Are you able to do this?”
Reality Check wrote:
Your penis arousal betrays you and exposes you as being gay.
Wow! I thought that you were mature enough to engage in a thought profound discourse. But if you are not able, then I understand.
Reality Check wrote:
Your pleasure and acceptance of men who have feces anal and oral sex also exposes you.
Please see my previous comment.
Reality Check wrote:
Tell me, if you supported pedophilia, perhaps you do, would itt be natural for me to assume that you were a pedophile, with all due respect? <smile>
Again, I have no desire to stoop this low in a dialogue, with all due respect.

Since: Jun 07

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#2187 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
I am black, went to school in the 60s and I never was segregated from white students.
Well, if you had gone to school in Scotland County, NC, you would have been segregated until 1969.
Reality Check wrote:
I am black, I never picked cotton or tobacco.
With all due respect, just because you did not have to pick cotton or crop tobacco, please let me inform you that some of did.
Reality Check wrote:
My first car was brand new, while I was in college at UCLA on an academic scholarshop, but indeed I am still black.
Well, while you were in college,“Did any of your professors teach you effective communication skills,” if you do not mind my asking?
Reality Check wrote:
My two best friends in high school are now a doctor who runs a major hospital in Atlanta and a computer icon who is worth A Half A BILLION DOLLARS, but yes I am black and so are they.
Well, please know that one of the issues that is a major concern within the Black community is those who have made in often time forget where they came from or those self-effacing individuals that made their success possible. Thus, I trust that you are not one of those individuals, right?
Reality Check wrote:
It is you who tries to equate sex urges for feces butt sex with being black.
If you would be so kind, please cite any of my posts that will substantiate this bogus claim, with all due respect.
Reality Check wrote:
I am indeed black and thus know what equality is. I also know that whites are still in South Africa, but no peep from our black president. I also know eqaulity for homosexuality would mean that with pedophilia, bestiality, incest and polygamy, since they are all based on sex choices.
Again, you have every right to disagree and reject homosexuality as your lifestyle. Fortunately though, others have the same right to disagree and reject your world perspective of how everyone is supposed to live.
Reality Check wrote:
Also, liar, please explain what equal rights issues that you gays have?
With all due respect, you certainly neither sound or behave like a college student, nor a Christian.
Reality Check wrote:
Do you mean, the right to go into public toilets with same sex children, the same water as gir scouts, do you mean school segregation of gays or even gays with AIDS?
Reality Check wrote:
No, I am black and I know that MLK was a Southern Baptist minister and on the day of Obama's inauguration, gays violently protested at MLK's Atlanta church. I also know that since 2008, over 150 churches have been burned, fire bombed or attacked, by gays, and over half of them have been black churches.
Reality Check wrote:
So, indeed, I am black and you are gay.
With all due respect, you have my deepest empathy.

Since: Jun 07

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#2188 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>So, you are equal to butt huggers, rapists, child molestors and klan members? You are right, and you are also equal to men who rape 3 month old babies, since all are part of the human race. Sorry to disappoint, but us Christians are above and beyond you in a place that we invite you to.
God sees four people:
Jews and Christian Jews
gentiles and Christian Gentiles.
Only the Christians shall join him in heaven, black, white, Jew, Asian, Muslim, Hindu, etc. but only when they become Christians.
I was hopeful that you would be able to raise your level decorum, but it appears not. On the other hand, you might be right in how many people that your God sees. Perhaps, this is why others reject Him, with all due respect.

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#2189 Mar 23, 2013
aaaaaaa wrote:
Do you know what a retard is?
Anyone who is mentally handicapped. However, it is an offensive word to many people.
aaaaaaa

Brasília, Brazil

#2190 Mar 23, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Anyone who is mentally handicapped. However, it is an offensive word to many people.
mentally handicapped is demon possession.

Do I offend you?

Since: Jun 07

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#2194 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
Did I say that you said Christians were born any type of way. Indeed, I did not, since you could not know.
Well, you accused me of thinking that “Christians are born that way and have logs in their eyes,” right? But just in case you forgot, here is what you explicitly said at post #2128:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...
Reality Check wrote:
You see, all unbelievers, gays and atheists are evil, hateful and filled with debauchery. It is the nature.
Again, totally unfounded and baseless claims, right?
Reality Check wrote:
Now, all Christians are loving and kind, period, it is just that you don't get to decide what is loving and kind, since your mind is reprobated towards God.
Please see previous comment.
Reality Check wrote:
Your problem is your hate and your lie. When did a Christian ever say that Christianity was a religion.
Newsflash: Christianity is a religion based on unsubstantiated beliefs, whereas it members live by faith, not evidence.
Reality Check wrote:
It is your bigotry and hate that is at hand, in my humble opinion. <smile>
Please read all of your previous post and decide which of us is full of bigotry and hate towards the homosexual community.

Since: Jun 07

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#2195 Mar 23, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
Are you trying to justify your bestiality or recruiting?
No, I just tried to let you know that when the LORD God saw that man was alone, He made animals first, right?
Reality Check wrote:
Many more woman? Odd. Let me see. 50.5% women...49.5% men.
Well, that translates into about 157 million women to about 152 million men, right? But then again, perhaps, 5 million more women isn’t that big of a difference to you.
Reality Check wrote:
Could it be wars, killing, prison and the fact that 1.4% of men are gay, compared to only .8 women who are lesbians.
Wow! Regardless if women or men are homosexual, this does not change their total percentages.

Since: Jun 07

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#2196 Mar 23, 2013
little lamb wrote:
I don't find any scriptures stating men are to RULE over women..i find the principal of headship , which is about respect
Please read Gen 3:16 to see if this is about respect or dictatorship, i.e.,“... thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
little lamb wrote:
i can only find men are to love their wives as their own bodies..not love another man as his body .
I have not found anywhere in the bible where it supports or condemns men loving men. However, I have found where it says that men shall lie with mankind (zakar in Hebrew or sacred male prostitutes).

Since: Jun 07

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#2197 Mar 23, 2013
James wrote:
That was very touching and you are a very kind person. I admire your ability to deal with the unsavory characters on here that claim to be Christian as you expose them with your kind heart.
Thank you for your very kind words.
James wrote:
I know many people used the bible to justify slavery and racial discrimination especially in the south, did you experience this?
Yes, racial prejudices and discriminations were very prevalent in the South when I was growing up, and still in many parts today. Perhaps, this is one of the reasons that I left NC when I turned 18 and joined the military, for which I served for almost 25 years. I retired 10 years ago and moved to Florida with my wife and our four children.

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