How can a gay be a Christian??

dollarsbill

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#717 Mar 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
however the Bible makes it quite clear that slavery is perfectly acceptable and moral.
Prove it.

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#718 Mar 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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I would suggest that people hate the Bible because Christians claim it is the source of their morality, however the Bible makes it quite clear that slavery is perfectly acceptable and moral.
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That's the problem with basing your morality on a document written by people who are less sophisticated than yourself. You can only be as moral as the people who invent your morality and can never grow beyond it.
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Would you mind repeating this in English. It doesn't make any sense.
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This is why modern, educated people look at those who cling to the Bible and shake their heads. You are living in the past.
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Just like the "modern, educated people" of Sodom and Gomorrah. They shook their heads at those poor deluded Torah believing Jews.

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#719 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Prove it.
Here's a few passages referencing slavery in the Bible

Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
Luke 12:47-48

NONE of them say slavery is wrong. There are no passages in the Bible saying slavery is wrong.

dollarsbill

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#720 Mar 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Here's a few passages referencing slavery in the Bible
Leviticus 25:44-46
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:7-11
Exodus 21:20-21
Ephesians 6:5
Luke 12:47-48
NONE of them say slavery is wrong. There are no passages in the Bible saying slavery is wrong.
The OT also commands to execute homosexuals.

Since: Sep 07

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#721 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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The OT also commands to execute homosexuals.
Yes, both those things are wrong.

That's my point. The Bible contains a code of morals based on what a group of goat herders thought several thousand years ago.

It does not apply 100% to our modern society, so using it as a source of morality is flawed. And using it to try and dictate what should or should not be legal is even more flawed.

Take gay marriage -
The current "best" argument the Conservatives have against gay marriage is that some straight couples might get pregnant by accident therefore gays can't get married.

I sh1t you not. THAT is there argument before the SUPREME COURT.

You don't trot out idiocy like that unless your position is dictated without reason from a text several thousand years old.

dollarsbill

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#722 Mar 5, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Yes, both those things are wrong.
That's my point. The Bible contains a code of morals based on what a group of goat herders thought several thousand years ago.
Moses a "goat herder"? He gave God's commandments for the Old Covenant. You sound like a "goat herder".

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#723 Mar 5, 2013
If a homosexual is who accepts Christ as their saviour and does all they are supposed to do prior to salvation is not a Christian then neither are those who engage in regular per-marital sex, pornography, open marriages, and remarriage after an unbilical divorce. Neither are those who routinely lie, gossip, swindle, steal or behave divisively. Neither would be those who do not love their neighbors or do not freely forgive others in their hearts. ETc, Etc.....

If grace is not sufficient for one sin, it is not sufficient for any sins. I tend to go with passages that say do not abuse grace, but I am not the one who decides at what point another person crosses over into abuse of grace. That is Christ's job.

We can all point our fingers and holler at others about how unChristian they are behaving, or we can do as we are commanded by Christ. We can work on our walks first..when we are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on our immediate families walks...when they are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on those in our churches walks. When all the above is done and all those Christians around us are walking closely in Christ's footsteps, we are still forbidden from judging a non-Christian's walk.

God bless those who accept it! For everyone else, I hope you have great rest the week!

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#724 Mar 5, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
No, Man, you're getting flawed info from your sourcebook.
Wow! Please do not tell me that your assume that anything that contradicts your perspective is flawed.
Cisco Kid wrote:
Just like in Gen. 12:10-13:1, Abraham was passing is wife off as is sister in an attempt to escape perceived persecution in a foreign land.
Yes, I agree that the reason Abraham revealed that Sarah was his sister was to avoid being killed. However, he was not lying. And if you disagree, please explain why he explicitly told the king at Gen 20:12 how he and Sarah was siblings. You see, Abraham no longer felt that his life was in danger when he explained how he and Sara was related, right?
Cisco Kid wrote:
At 20:1–18 Abraham again passes off his wife Sarah as his sister to escape trouble in a foreign land (cf. 12:10–13:1, the J source).
Once again, Abraham was not lying when he said that Sarah was his sister.
Cisco Kid wrote:
The story appears to be from a different source (according to some, E) and deals with the ethical questions of the incident.
Yes, I agree that these stories seems as though they have different origins. However, the documentary hypothesis offers an excellent explanation.
Cisco Kid wrote:
Gn 26:6–11 is yet another retelling of the story, but with Isaac and Rebekah as characters instead of Abraham and Sarah.
Again, I agree, i.e., documentary hypothesis.
Cisco Kid wrote:
You do know that Genesis wasn't written by one person?
Of course!
Cisco Kid wrote:
Have you studied the JPED theory of authorship?
Yes, I am very familiar with it.

dollarsbill

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#725 Mar 5, 2013
Seriously__ wrote:
If a homosexual is who accepts Christ as their saviour and does all they are supposed to do prior to salvation is not a Christian then neither are those who engage in regular per-marital sex, pornography, open marriages, and remarriage after an unbilical divorce. Neither are those who routinely lie, gossip, swindle, steal or behave divisively. Neither would be those who do not love their neighbors or do not freely forgive others in their hearts. ETc, Etc.....
If grace is not sufficient for one sin, it is not sufficient for any sins. I tend to go with passages that say do not abuse grace, but I am not the one who decides at what point another person crosses over into abuse of grace. That is Christ's job.
We can all point our fingers and holler at others about how unChristian they are behaving, or we can do as we are commanded by Christ. We can work on our walks first..when we are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on our immediate families walks...when they are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on those in our churches walks. When all the above is done and all those Christians around us are walking closely in Christ's footsteps, we are still forbidden from judging a non-Christian's walk.
God bless those who accept it! For everyone else, I hope you have great rest the week!
I Cor 6:9

"The unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God" "nor homosexuals"

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#726 Mar 5, 2013
Seriously__ wrote:
If a homosexual is who accepts Christ as their saviour and does all they are supposed to do prior to salvation is not a Christian then neither are those who engage in regular per-marital sex, pornography, open marriages, and remarriage after an unbilical divorce. Neither are those who routinely lie, gossip, swindle, steal or behave divisively. Neither would be those who do not love their neighbors or do not freely forgive others in their hearts. ETc, Etc.....
If grace is not sufficient for one sin, it is not sufficient for any sins. I tend to go with passages that say do not abuse grace, but I am not the one who decides at what point another person crosses over into abuse of grace. That is Christ's job.
We can all point our fingers and holler at others about how unChristian they are behaving, or we can do as we are commanded by Christ. We can work on our walks first..when we are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on our immediate families walks...when they are closely in line with Christ's teachings, then work on those in our churches walks. When all the above is done and all those Christians around us are walking closely in Christ's footsteps, we are still forbidden from judging a non-Christian's walk.
God bless those who accept it! For everyone else, I hope you have great rest the week!
Excellent post!

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#727 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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I Cor 6:9
"The unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God" "nor homosexuals"
If I may very respectfully ask, "Why do you supposed that Jesus spoke out against "hypocrisy" numerous times, yet He did not mention anything about homosexuality?"

Perhaps, it was either that He forgot to mention homosexuality or it just wasn't that important, right (smile)?

dollarsbill

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#728 Mar 5, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Excellent post!
And you will burn in Hell with him.

dollarsbill

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#729 Mar 5, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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If I may very respectfully ask, "Why do you supposed that Jesus spoke out against "hypocrisy" numerous times, yet He did not mention anything about homosexuality?"
Perhaps, it was either that He forgot to mention homosexuality or it just wasn't that important, right (smile)?
Paul wrote nearly half the NT. He condemned homosexuals. The OT condemned homosexuals. Paul got his Gospel directly from Jesus. It's quite simple.

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#730 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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And you will burn in Hell with him.
Him who? Me? If so, I am a she.

Now, why will I burn in hell exactly? What sin do you assume I am committing that damns me?

God bless you and yours.

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#731 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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And you will burn in Hell with him.
All right Bill, when did god give you the right to send people to hell?

dollarsbill

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#732 Mar 5, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>All right Bill, when did god give you the right to send people to hell?
He didn't. He gave you the choice. You choose Hell.

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#733 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
And you will burn in Hell with him.
Wow! Perhaps, you did not know that the NT hell does not exist as a literal place where people burn forever. And if you disagree, please enlighten me as to which of the 6 days of creation that God created it, if you would be so kind.

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#734 Mar 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
Paul wrote nearly half the NT. He condemned homosexuals. The OT condemned homosexuals. Paul got his Gospel directly from Jesus. It's quite simple.
"Are you talking about the Paul who self-proclaimed that he met Jesus in a vision (not in the flesh) on the road to Damascus, yet gave two contradictory testimonies as to what transpired when they met," if you do not mind my asking?

By the way, I am still waiting on that OT scripture that specifically condemns homosexuality. You see, from what I have researched, the OT condemned what we know to day as Easter, i.e., sunrise service, as well as putting up Xmas trees, yet I see that the church supports both. In other words, it's somewhat amazing how bigotry against homosexuality runs freely on this forum, yet Jesus specifically condemned hypocrisy. In fact, He said something about getting the log out of one's own eye first, right?

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#735 Mar 5, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Wow! Perhaps, you did not know that the NT hell does not exist as a literal place where people burn forever. And if you disagree, please enlighten me as to which of the 6 days of creation that God created it, if you would be so kind.
Gudee 123, I can tell from your posts that you are a kind and good hearted person, but Dickweedbills is a troll and your not dealing with a full deck.
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#736 Mar 5, 2013
"Male-couplings or female-couplings" is not the same thing as "Christ-worshiper".

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