How can a gay be a Christian??

Since: Jun 07

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#4883 May 21, 2013
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Stop-It-Now wrote:
It has however been proven that homosexual orientation does not exist in any other species. NONE. ZERO.
Wow! Please tell me that you are aware that “[h]omosexuality exists in nearly every species of observed mammals and is in all likelihood irreversibly established in humans at a very early age (probably by age five),” according to: HI Kaplan and BJ Sadock, editors. "Homosexuality and Homosexual Behavior" by WJ Gadpaille in the Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry--6th edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1995, 1323-26.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Again, you are lying. There is zero evidence that homosexuality has any genetic influence. When you insert environment and socialization, those are behaviors and those are choices, either conscious or unconscious.
Please review the sources that I have offered as evidence.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY ASSERTS THAT THE PRIMARY FACTORS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIALIZATION.
Please do some research outside of impeccable bible, okay?
Stop-It-Now wrote:
You are trying to assert a minuscule genetic influence.
Again, your beliefs are not the standard for scientific assertions, with all due respect.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
They use to say that there was a fat gene, now they say that folks are just fat in the jeans.
Please stay focus, if you would be so kind. Otherwise, you might miss this very important lesson, right?
Stop-It-Now wrote:
No, we are talking science, so maybe this is the main reason you can not be a scientist. Your gay biased bigotry and unfounded scientific opinion.
Well, actually the only thing that you want to talk is based on your beliefs, right?

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#4884 May 21, 2013
Stop-It-Now wrote:
<quoted text>What? If the sum total of all of you could make a pont, I would be impressed.
Pease do.
What studies do you have to prove that homsexual orientation exists in humans?
That should be easy, since it is allegedly obvious.
Please be advised that the famous Kinsey report has already been debunked.
All scientific evidence suggests that homoexuality is a developmental charaster disorder.
S-I-L: "What studies do you have to prove that homsexual orientation exists in humans?"

Do you think heterosexual sexual orientation exists in humans?
Are there studies that prove it?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#4889 May 21, 2013
Stop-It-Now wrote:
<quoted text>Gundee does not need a redeemer, like a gay AIDS patient does not need a cure.
We all need The Redeemer Jesus Christ, and Jesus offers healing to all.

"Jesus heard this and said to them that,
“Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do.
I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”
Mark 2:17
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#4891 May 21, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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Yes, although I was raised up in the Southern Baptist faith, I abandoned Christianity after going on a journey to prove that my beliefs and the bible were validated by empirical evidence. And guess what I learned along the way:“If a person goes on a journey in search of the truth, he or she cannot dictate in advance what that truth will be.”
Do not be mislead.
'Truth" is subjective when one is only searching for a truth that fits.
Learn to fit the real TRUTH.
gundee123 wrote:
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Well, since the Holy Spirit is necessary, perhaps, you can explain why many of those who professed to be led by this particular spirit are told different things. Namely, some of told that Jesus is God, while other are not; some of told that the law ended at the cross, whereas, the church still keeps the law allegedly regarding tithing money, right?
The Holy Spirit's message is constant, it's only people that hear what they want to hear that misinterpret it.

The Church has no law requiring tithing.
Charity comes from the heart according to one's means.
gundee123 wrote:
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I have the utmost respect for your belief, even though I do not share it.
Thank you.
Thinking

Decatur, GA

#4893 May 21, 2013
Almost 4000 comments now, trying to promote the sick immoral, abominable, sodomite lifestyles of homosexuals.

Leviticus 18:22
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Romans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Enough proof from the OT and NT that be Gay is living a sexual immoral lifestyle that is open rebellion to God. Stop the nonsense already and turn to Jesus of forgiveness of your sins
Thinking

Poole, UK

#4894 May 21, 2013
Prove it.

Are the sources you will present worldwide figures?
Stop-It-Now wrote:
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Do you have studies to explain why 80% of the HIV cases are gay men and 80% of the HPV cases are lesbians?
Thinking

Poole, UK

#4895 May 21, 2013
Hello my tiny todgered tributr troll, still pretending you don't like it up the chuffty?

Come out. You may be a nicer person after doing so.
Thinking wrote:
Almost 4000 comments now, trying to promote the sick immoral, abominable, sodomite lifestyles of homosexuals.
Leviticus 18:22
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Enough proof from the OT and NT that be Gay is living a sexual immoral lifestyle that is open rebellion to God. Stop the nonsense already and turn to Jesus of forgiveness of your sins
Thinking

Poole, UK

#4898 May 21, 2013
What's the CDC my parochial cuntard?
christian dic* chewer?

Sources?
Stop-It-Now wrote:
<quoted text>No, US and Canada and they are reported by the CDC.
little lamb

Australia

#4900 May 21, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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If you would be so kind, please cite the specific post number that I made this assertion.
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Wow! Perhaps, you did not know that a 1998 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association notes one study that found that 90 percent of pedophiles are men and that 98 percent of these individuals are heterosexual (Holmes & Slap, 1998).
Holmes, W.C. & Slap, G.B.(1998). Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association. 280 (21): 1855-1862.
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Please know that this red herring argument is not productive.
<quoted text>
Once again, please know that most pedophile are heterosexuals. In fact, only 3 percent of the convicted pedophile were homosexuals, which in my opinion, is 3 percent too high. However, the myth that homosexuals are more likely to molest children is totally unsubstantiated.
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Again, your red herring argument only reveals your desperation, with all due respect.
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Once again, you cannot put words in my mouth.
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Please cite any posts whereas I made any of these alleged claims. But then again, as long as you believe something, then it most exist, right?
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Wow! You have made a jester of yourself with these unsubstantiated allegations, yet had the audacity to say that the red herring arguments that you attributed to me as being flawed arguments, right? With all due respect, this is totally laughable.
Fact remains do you believe a pedophile has a perverted sexual orientation?

because a pedophile will repeat offend and says the same thing a homosexual says ' he is born that way ..to desire kids'

If his arguments are wrong , so are a homosexuals.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#4901 May 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Fact remains do you believe a pedophile has a perverted sexual orientation?
because a pedophile will repeat offend and says the same thing a homosexual says ' he is born that way ..to desire kids'
If his arguments are wrong , so are a homosexuals.
Errr... you didn't address this..."If you would be so kind, please cite the specific post number that I made this assertion"
You are so out of his league, he is honest, you ...well you lie like the devil.
little lamb

Australia

#4902 May 21, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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If you would be so kind, please cite the specific post number that I made this assertion.
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Wow! Perhaps, you did not know that a 1998 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association notes one study that found that 90 percent of pedophiles are men and that 98 percent of these individuals are heterosexual (Holmes & Slap, 1998).
Holmes, W.C. & Slap, G.B.(1998). Sexual abuse of boys: Definition, prevalence, correlates, sequelae and management. Journal of the American Medical Association. 280 (21): 1855-1862.
<quoted text>
Please know that this red herring argument is not productive.
<quoted text>
Once again, please know that most pedophile are heterosexuals. In fact, only 3 percent of the convicted pedophile were homosexuals, which in my opinion, is 3 percent too high. However, the myth that homosexuals are more likely to molest children is totally unsubstantiated.
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Again, your red herring argument only reveals your desperation, with all due respect.
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Once again, you cannot put words in my mouth.
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Please cite any posts whereas I made any of these alleged claims. But then again, as long as you believe something, then it most exist, right?
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Wow! You have made a jester of yourself with these unsubstantiated allegations, yet had the audacity to say that the red herring arguments that you attributed to me as being flawed arguments, right? With all due respect, this is totally laughable.
So it doesn't get buried Gundee.

The fact is your assertion that homosexuality is an orientation that a person is born with..as you cited different experts to give credence to the false reasoning.

Pedophiles show the reasoning up as false.

Because the sexual perversion that pedophiles demonstrate is, that when a person is caught up in sexual perversion of any kind it becomes addictive....they can't stop even if they want to...its like any sin..drugs included.

Just as Jesus says ' every doer of sin is a slave of sin.'

When they try to break a pedophile of his habit, they try electric shock therapy , even chemical castration...showing that sexual sin...is addictive ...they are not born with it at all, they have been taken captive to sin.

So the Pedophile shows that a homosexuals arguments are false..

A homosexual is taken captivity to his sin

But what is worse , is now he wants to foister sin onto society to give it legitimacy...and that now puts the society that condones sin and gives it legitimacy in deep trouble with God..because all ' authority is set in its relative position by God."

Meaning God has set the 'authority in place' not to change his Law, but to uphold his Law.

Because if you don't believe in God...where do Governments get their legitimacy as an authority from?
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#4903 May 21, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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So it doesn't get buried Gundee.
The fact is your assertion that homosexuality is an orientation that a person is born with..as you cited different experts to give credence to the false reasoning.
Pedophiles show the reasoning up as false.
Because the sexual perversion that pedophiles demonstrate is, that when a person is caught up in sexual perversion of any kind it becomes addictive....they can't stop even if they want to...its like any sin..drugs included.
Just as Jesus says ' every doer of sin is a slave of sin.'
When they try to break a pedophile of his habit, they try electric shock therapy , even chemical castration...showing that sexual sin...is addictive ...they are not born with it at all, they have been taken captive to sin.
So the Pedophile shows that a homosexuals arguments are false..
A homosexual is taken captivity to his sin
But what is worse , is now he wants to foister sin onto society to give it legitimacy...and that now puts the society that condones sin and gives it legitimacy in deep trouble with God..because all ' authority is set in its relative position by God."
Meaning God has set the 'authority in place' not to change his Law, but to uphold his Law.
Because if you don't believe in God...where do Governments get their legitimacy as an authority from?
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little lamb wrote:
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Fact remains do you believe a pedophile has a perverted sexual orientation?
because a pedophile will repeat offend and says the same thing a homosexual says ' he is born that way ..to desire kids'
If his arguments are wrong , so are a homosexuals.
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Errr... you didn't address this..."If you would be so kind, please cite the specific post number

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#4904 May 22, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
Please cite the specific scripture that Jesus said this, if you would be so kind. Otherwise, it appears that you are attempting to put words in Jesus’ mouth, right?
Homosexuals and sodomites "will not inherit the Kingdom of God".

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Disciple

Atlanta, GA

#4905 May 22, 2013
Jesus didn't have to bring the issue up, they all knew better because the Torah spoke against they issue and Jesus taught from that
Thinking

Decatur, GA

#4906 May 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Hello my tiny todgered tributr troll, still pretending you don't like it up the chuffty?
Come out. You may be a nicer person after doing so.
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There you go again with your nasty homosexual fantasies. A refresh for your unbelieving wicked soul.

Leviticus 18:22
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Romans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Enough proof from the OT and NT that be Gay is living a sexual immoral lifestyle that is open rebellion to God. Stop the nonsense already and turn to Jesus of forgiveness of your sins
Thinking

Poole, UK

#4907 May 22, 2013
Hello my tiny todgered tribute troll, every wondered why an all powerful god be so obsessed with ringpieces?

You never make sense.
Thinking wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again with your nasty homosexual fantasies. A refresh for your unbelieving wicked soul.
Leviticus 18:22
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Romans 1:24-27
New International Version (NIV)
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Enough proof from the OT and NT that be Gay is living a sexual immoral lifestyle that is open rebellion to God. Stop the nonsense already and turn to Jesus of forgiveness of your sins

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#4908 May 23, 2013
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Wow, you have not provide any evidence.
Actually, I cited several sources ... you just disagree with them, right? Nonetheless, you might find the following youtube video interesting. But then again, perhaps not:
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Unbelievable please tell me that you are not trying to tell me that other species are human.
No, I am not trying to tell you that other species are human, but rather homo(same) sexuals.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Also, what they tried to say what that homosexual BEHAVIOR had existed in almost 1500 species. They lied, what was discovered was that they had electroshock stimulus to create the behavior.
Really? If so, please tell us how scientists have electroshocked 1,500 species in their natural habitats (especially the lions) so that they could document them exhibiting homosexual behaviors, if you would be so kind.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Also, homosexual means as or relating to humans.
Homo also means “same,” right? And if you disagree, please review the following link:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homo -
Stop-It-Now wrote:
How many species have been observing with lesbian and transsexual behaviors?
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/2...
Thank you for sharing this video of Dr. Cummings. Now, if I may very respectfully ask,“Is this the same Dr. Cummings who is not in opposition to the homosexual movement, including gay “marriage.” And by the way,“Is this also the same Dr. Cummings who authored the motion to strike homosexuality from the APA’s list of mental illnesses?” If so,“”Do you agree with him (since this your expert source) on the issue of gay marriage and homosexuality not being a mental illness?”
Stop-It-Now wrote:
I realize that you are a neophyte. Please, do not bring me your childish, recently googled disproven nonsense.
Please read the sources that I cited, rather than resort to personal attacks.

Since: Jun 07

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#4909 May 23, 2013
Stop-It-Now wrote:
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-presi...
Dr. Simon LeVay: Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.
The homosexuality in animals myth refers to the current interest on whether homosexual behavior is or is not zoologically "natural." This is largely a sterile debate because behavior is not necessarily moral even if "natural;" because the nature of human beings is not necessarily the same as the nature of other species, and because it is not at all clear when an observed behavior can be counted as "sexual," or as implying a sexual "orientation." Examples such as one male mounting another have been used as evidence in the argument that homosexuality is natural and therefore should be permitted in human beings.
In addition, Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, wrote:
“ Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.
http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-anim...
Stop-It-Now wrote:
HERE IS EVIDENCE AS TO WHAT GAYS WILL DO,EVEN IN REGARDS TO ANIMALS:
Male Magellan penguins Harry and Pepper have been together since 2003. The pair nested together and even incubated an egg laid by another penguin in 2008, but their relationship hit the rocks earlier this year when a female penguin, Linda, befriended Harry after her long-time companion died.
“Zookeepers say Harry and Linda are happy and were able to successfully nest this year,” reported KTVU.
But not everyone is celebrating Harry and Linda’s newfound love. Some believe there can be no such a thing as an “ex-gay” penguin. Upon news of Harry’s decision to fly the same-sex-coop, outspoken pro-homosexual activist and anti-ex-gay crusader Wayne Besen cried fowl:
“Attempts to change sexual orientation are patently offensive, discriminatory by definition, theologically shaky, uniformly unsuccessful and medically unsound!” exclaimed a visibly angry Besen.“There is no ‘ex-gay’ sexual orientation. Harry is simply in denial. He’s living what I call the ‘big lie.’”
Wow!“Is safe to assume that you also condemn animals that engage in same-sex relationships,” if you do not mind my asking?

Since: Jun 07

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#4910 May 23, 2013
Stop-It-Now wrote:
THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY ASSERTS THAT THE PRIMARY FACTORS ARE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIALIZATION.
You are trying to assert a minuscule genetic influence.
As allegedly minuscule as it may be, genetic influence must be considered, right?
Stop-It-Now wrote:
Please go back to school and come back in 5 years, or else you will miss the lessons that I am imparting to you.
Please know that I am very satisfied with my current level of education. But more importantly, I am extremely satisfied with my ability to engage my own critical thinking, as opposed to regurgitating the unsubstantiated supernatural claims that others use to justify their bigotry, with all due respect.
Stop-It-Now wrote:
You do not have to be gay, they lied.
While it is agreed that an element of gender ID is based on the decision made by parents on how to raise the child, the other element is formed with the development of language skills, naming of sexual behaviors and the naming process related to these behaviors [9]. Gender ID is learned over time, and other contributions include the frequency of parental interactions, tolerance of aggression levels, and the vigor of play during childhood. In this, another theory is acknowledged, the Parental Manipulation Theory. This theory is that one or both parents are able to neuter and control offspring to promote their (the parent's) evolutionary fitness, ensuring the passage of genes into the next generation. By selecting only heterosexual practices as acceptable, the parents are attempting to promote their passage of genes [5]
Two predominant social theorists on homosexuality are David Halperin and Jean Foucault. Although both social theorists, both have largely contrasting ideas on the environmental contributions to the formation of an individual's homosexuality. Halperin believed in Planophysical theory. This theory believes that homosexuality is a freak of nature, an error. His theory follows in the tradition of psychological theory on this subject. Halperin was a Freudian psychologist, and places stock in Freud's idea that homosexuality is derived from a failure to resolve Oedipal issues [10]. He postulates that a weak father and strong mother, with an unresolved Oedipus complex will lead to a weak, and then homosexual, son, because the mother has too strong of an image, compared to the weak state of the father.
Jean Foucault argues, "...homosexuality became because we made it so" [11]. Foucault says that the category of homosexuality itself was only created a mere one hundred years ago, after a German neologism coined some twenty years later. Foucault gives root to the social derivation of homosexuality believing that homosexuality appeared as one of the forms of sexuality, only "after it was transposed from the practice of sodomy into a kind of interior androgyny, a hermaphrodism of the soul" [10]. The theorists believe that the homosexual had been an aberration, and had then become a species, justifying itself with a new word.
DID YOU LEARN? OH NO, YOU ARE STILL GAY. JUST KIDDING, WELL NOT REALLY. HMM, MAYBE.
Well, if you really want to learn something, perhaps, you should consider taking a human sexuality college course; for it actually explores sexuality from biological, psychological, and social perspectives, rather than only learning about it from a religious perspective, right?

Since: Jun 07

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#4911 May 23, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
Do not be mislead.
'Truth" is subjective when one is only searching for a truth that fits.
Learn to fit the real TRUTH.
Yes, I totally agree that truth is not only subjective but also an idea. As such, I give more credence to the person who claims to be in search of the truth than I do to the person who claims to have found it. And from what I have found, most religious people claim to have found it, right?
Cisco Kid wrote:
The Holy Spirit's message is constant, it's only people that hear what they want to hear that misinterpret it.
Please share with us what specific truth is this assertion based on, if you would be so kind.
Cisco Kid wrote:
The Church has no law requiring tithing.
Charity comes from the heart according to one's means.
If this is true, i.e., the truth, then why do you suppose that most churches accept money as a tithe, which is not even scripturally required.
Cisco Kid wrote:
Thank you.
You are very welcomed. After all, please know that it is not my intention to challenge your beliefs, but rather what I perceive to be any unscriptural claims that you might assert based thereof.

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