How can a gay be a Christian??
St Black Pope

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#3725 Apr 15, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Banned again Doctor Demented?
Nope, right here, Jaybird56. Using my name, but not you. BAHHAAAA..

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#3726 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>You are lying. Homosexuality does not exist in any species, even humans.
Read it and weep, you bigoted piece of crap:

"Homosexuality is biologically natural, not deviant"

From a scientific perspective, all homosexual behavior is biological. That’s a truism, of course. Same-sex attraction, like all behaviors and cognition, requires a functioning nervous system. There are no homosexual umbrellas. Furthermore, much but not all same-same sex attraction is probably based in genetics or epigenetics, with predispositions established before birth.

Far from being a “sin against nature,” homosexuality is more natural than the sexual abstinence imposed by many human cultures, and more natural than their many artifacts.

Homosexuality is not a “new normal.” It’s an old one.

Homosexual behavior is ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom. It occurs in numerous species from worms to primates, including the Utah state bird, the seagull. Bonobos (previously called pygmy chimpanzees) are one of human’s closest cousins, sharing nearly 99 percent of our DNA. Nearly all bonobos are bisexual, and some engage in homosexual behavior almost hourly.

It seems unlikely that’s the result of a bonobo ACLU, or a bonobo militant homosexual “agenda.”

So, new rule: Folks can’t rightly complain against “unnatural” homosexual behaviors unless they themselves are living outdoors 24-7-365 and walking around buck naked.

Legally, such natural homosexual behaviors in animals were noted as part of the defense in Lawrence v. Texas. That’s the Supreme Court case that struck down the Texas law banning gay sex.

By extension, the ruling also effectively invalidated anti-sodomy laws in other states, including Utah. Not surprisingly, but incorrectly, Utah had advised the Court that sex between homosexuals was harmful in ways that the identical sexual behavior between heterosexuals was not.

Negating popular misperceptions, the U.S. Supreme Court further noted that,“[f]ar from possessing ‘ancient roots,’... American laws targeting same-sex couples did not develop until the last third of the 20th century.”

And, poignantly,“this Court’s obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate its own moral code.”

In considering gay marriage, let’s remember that interracial marriage also was once considered unnatural, and was illegal in Utah until 1963.

And it was the US Supreme Court that finally overruled state laws on interracial marriage, too, in 1967. A time that seems so long ago to those who did not experience that era. They almost cannot imagine such an attitude, never mind such a law.

I don’t know of any same-race marriages that fell apart because of my mixed-race marriage. And I don’t reckon any mixed-sex marriages will fall apart because of others’ same-sex marriages either.

The center moves. Slowly, sometimes. But it does move. What was once unimaginable becomes commonplace. And what was commonplace becomes unimaginable.

And, now, this Tuesday and Wednesday, the U.S. Supreme Court is poised to take the next step: to consider whether gays, too, will be allowed marriage equality throughout the land.

But at an even deeper level, equal rights for homosexuals don’t depend on the genetic and biological mechanisms underlying sexuality—any more than do equal rights for heterosexuals. Or equal rights for people of different races.

“Gay rights” are not “special” rights. They are human rights.

“Gay rights” are not now being “granted.” Instead, they are no longer — or should no longer be — being taken away.

Homosexuals are humans. So, naturally, they deserve all the same human rights that heterosexuals do, including the rights to employment, housing, marriage, hospital visits, and inheritance. Without discrimination.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/03/22/ho...

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#3727 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>So, which secular tribe founded America? was it the Pilgrims, nope not secular, so was it the Amish, no not secular, so was it the Puritans, no not secular, perhaps the Mormons, nope not secular, well I know, it surely had to be the Protestants, gosh no, not secular.
The U.S. Constitution was founded by Biblical principles. If you don't like it, you can leave. "we are endowed with inalienable God given right given by our Creator"
America was founded when the U.S. Constitution was drafted and signed.

And for the record, the word "God" appears nowhere in the Constitution.

If you don;t like it, continue lying and I'll keep calling you on it. Either way I'm not leaving, and you aren't winning.

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#3728 Apr 15, 2013
"Homosexuality is biologically natural, not deviant"

http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/03/22/ho...

Excerpt:

"Homosexual behavior is ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom. It occurs in numerous species from worms to primates, including the Utah state bird, the seagull. Bonobos (previously called pygmy chimpanzees) are one of human’s closest cousins, sharing nearly 99 percent of our DNA. Nearly all bonobos are bisexual, and some engage in homosexual behavior almost hourly."

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#3729 Apr 15, 2013
Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan, are completely devoted to each other. For nearly six years now, they have been inseparable. They exhibit what in penguin parlance is called ''ecstatic behavior'': that is, they entwine their necks, they vocalize to each other, they have sex. Silo and Roy are, to anthropomorphize a bit, gay penguins. When offered female companionship, they have adamantly refused it. And the females aren't interested in them, either.

At one time, the two seemed so desperate to incubate an egg together that they put a rock in their nest and sat on it, keeping it warm in the folds of their abdomens, said their chief keeper, Rob Gramzay. Finally, he gave them a fertile egg that needed care to hatch. Things went perfectly. Roy and Silo sat on it for the typical 34 days until a chick, Tango, was born. For the next two and a half months they raised Tango, keeping her warm and feeding her food from their beaks until she could go out into the world on her own. Mr. Gramzay is full of praise for them.

''They did a great job,'' he said. He was standing inside the glassed-in penguin exhibit, where Roy and Silo had just finished lunch. Penguins usually like a swim after they eat, and Silo was in the water. Roy had finished his dip and was up on the beach.

Roy and Silo are hardly unusual. Milou and Squawk, two young males, are also beginning to exhibit courtship behavior, hanging out with each other, billing and bowing. Before them, the Central Park Zoo had Georgey and Mickey, two female Gentoo penguins who tried to incubate eggs together. And Wendell and Cass, a devoted male African penguin pair, live at the New York Aquarium in Coney Island. Indeed, scientists have found homosexual behavior throughout the animal world.

This growing body of science has been increasingly drawn into charged debates about homosexuality in American society, on subjects from gay marriage to sodomy laws, despite reluctance from experts in the field to extrapolate from animals to humans. Gay groups argue that if homosexual behavior occurs in animals, it is natural, and therefore the rights of homosexuals should be protected. On the other hand, some conservative religious groups have condemned the same practices in the past, calling them ''animalistic.''

But if homosexuality occurs among animals, does that necessarily mean that it is natural for humans, too? And that raises a familiar question: if homosexuality is not a choice, but a result of natural forces that cannot be controlled, can it be immoral?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...
St Black Pope

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#3730 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Homosexuality occurs naturally throughout the animal kingdom, in higher animals such as humans and even in lower animals that don't have the brain capacity to be "curious."
The evidence is overwhelming. Only an idiot, or someone who is clinging to their bigoted hatred of gays, would keep insisting otherwise.
Which one are you, Gary? I think you're a bit of both.
Golly Evo, you must be gay. I mean only an idiot of a gay would keep repeating debunked lies.

The science is overwhelming that homosexuality is a human construct caused by a developmental disorder and destruction of the normal developing process usually via childhood abuse.

Now,you pretend to be logical so you must be gay void of all reason.

So, are you a doctor or the Doctor? Absent of being either, then you are not an authority but simply gay biased and bigoted.

According to geneticist Simon Levay in 1996, "Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity

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#3731 Apr 15, 2013
Bonobos, apes closely related to humans, are wildly energetic sexually. Studies show that whether observed in the wild or in captivity, nearly all are bisexual, and nearly half their sexual interactions are with the same sex. Female bonobos have been observed to engage in homosexual activity almost hourly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...

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#3732 Apr 15, 2013
Among birds, for instance, studies show that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild are homosexual. Females perform courtship rituals, like tossing their heads at each other or offering small gifts of food to each other, and they establish nests together. Occasionally they mate with males and produce fertile eggs but then return to their original same-sex partners. Their bonds, too, may persist for years.

Among mammals, male and female bottlenose dolphins frequently engage in homosexual activity, both in captivity and in the wild. Homosexuality is particularly common among young male dolphin calves. One male may protect another that is resting or healing from wounds inflicted by a predator. When one partner dies, the other may search for a new male mate. Researchers have noted that in some cases same-sex behavior is more common for dolphins in captivity.

Male and female rhesus macaques, a type of monkey, also exhibit homosexuality in captivity and in the wild. Males are affectionate to each other, touching, holding and embracing. Females smack their lips at each other and play games like hide-and-seek, peek-a-boo and follow the leader. And both sexes mount members of their own sex.

Paul L. Vasey, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at the University of Lethbridge in Canada, who studies homosexual behavior in Japanese macaques, is editing a new book on homosexual behavior in animals, to be published by Cambridge University Press. This kind of behavior among animals has been observed by scientists as far back as the 1700's, but Mr. Vasey said one reason there had been few books on the topic was that ''people don't want to do the research because they don't want to have suspicions raised about their sexuality.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...

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#3733 Apr 15, 2013
As I stated earlier, the evidence that proves that homosexuality is natural is overwhelming.

Anyone who disagrees is either an idiot that cannot comprehend the written word, or a bigoted jerk who has incurable homophobia.

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#3734 Apr 15, 2013
Marlene Zuk, a professor of biology at the University of California at Riverside and author of ''Sexual Selections: What We Can and Can't Learn About Sex From Animals''(University of California Press, 2002), notes that scientists have speculated that homosexuality may have an evolutionary purpose, ensuring the survival of the species. By not producing their own offspring, homosexuals may help support or nurture their relatives' young.''That is a contribution to the gene pool,'' she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...

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#3735 Apr 15, 2013
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) that homosexual acts between consenting adults can NOT be deemed illegal. part of the 6-3 decision was based on - are you ready, you bigoted haters and deniers - DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR OCCURRING THROUGHOUT NATURE.
St Black Pope

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#3736 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Read it and weep, you bigoted piece of crap:
"Homosexuality is biologically natural, not deviant"
From a scientific perspective, all homosexual behavior is biological. That’s a truism, of course. Same-sex attraction, like all behaviors and cognition, requires a functioning nervous system. There are no homosexual umbrellas. Furthermore, much but not all same-same sex attraction is probably based in genetics or epigenetics, with predispositions established before birth.
Far from being a “sin against nature,” homosexuality is more natural than the sexual abstinence imposed by many human cultures, and more natural than their many artifacts.
Homosexuality is not a “new normal.” It’s an old one.
Homosexual behavior is ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom. It occurs in numerous species from worms to primates, including the Utah state bird, the seagull. Bonobos (previously called pygmy chimpanzees) are one of human’s closest cousins, sharing nearly 99 percent of our DNA. Nearly all bonobos are bisexual, and some engage in homosexual behavior almost hourly.
It seems unlikely that’s the result of a bonobo ACLU, or a bonobo militant homosexual “agenda.”
So, new rule: Folks can’t rightly complain against “unnatural” homosexual behaviors unless they themselves are living outdoors 24-7-365 and walking around buck naked.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2013/03/22/ho...
You are indeed a self loathing gay and I pity you, bigot.

Please explain why you mentioned science, went to a gay bias site but mention no studies and no scientific evidence? Nada.

So, you are saying that we can't complain about unnatural gay behavior unless we are living outside.. So, you admit that it is unnatural and I agree.

Where is the science, you only present politics and that is just your opinion.

Like I said, birds can fly, fish live in water and that is natural for them and not humans. You made the animal natural argument.

Now, grow up before I start flying and stop whining like a baby or gay.
St Black Pope

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#3737 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
Bonobos, apes closely related to humans, are wildly energetic sexually. Studies show that whether observed in the wild or in captivity, nearly all are bisexual, and nearly half their sexual interactions are with the same sex. Female bonobos have been observed to engage in homosexual activity almost hourly.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...
You poor piece of gay delusion. You started with Roy and Silo and the article said they were a gay couple. The article was 2004 and Roy and Silo have been proven to never be a couple. Roy is now mated with a few male penguin and Silo was looking for his female.

let me post the start of your link:
By DINITIA SMITH
Published: February 07, 2004
Correction Appended

Roy and Silo, two chinstrap penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan, are completely devoted to each other. For nearly six years now, they have been inseparable. They exhibit what in penguin parlance is called ''ecstatic behavior'': that is, they entwine their necks, they vocalize to each other, they have sex. Silo and Roy are, to anthropomorphize a bit, gay penguins. When offered female companionship, they have adamantly refused it. And the females aren't interested in them, either.

Wow, you gays are such liars, the zoo keeper said that Roy and Silo never acted sexually towards one another.

Now, where is your gay science.

Why not try Dr. Simon LeVay, his studies with deceased gay men who had died of AIDS was to find a gay gene? This is science, come on, don't let your bigotry interfere with science.

Give it a good ole gay try, you piece of delusion.
St Black Pope

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#3738 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence v. Texas (2003) that homosexual acts between consenting adults can NOT be deemed illegal. part of the 6-3 decision was based on - are you ready, you bigoted haters and deniers - DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE THAT SHOWS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR OCCURRING THROUGHOUT NATURE.
poor gay boy, the U.S. Supreme court ruling in Lawrence was simply that sodomy was illegal. How funny, you say homosexual behavior and that my friendly dung chaser is a choice.

Your friends, the gays and Obama in Dec. 2011 tried to repeal USC.925.125 and make gay sodomy bestiality legal in the military. Obama says he will make it legal for gays to have sodomy sex with animals legal this term, mark his word.

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#3739 Apr 15, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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That is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
If that is what you and others truly believe then you have no business of advocating for gays & lesbians rights.
I don't have an issue,let them get married to one another.
Just don't come and try to sell me that bullshit story about how you believe that they are born that way and that it is normal and natural because it is not normal,it is not natural and,NO,there has not been anyone truly born gay and ,YES,it does matter how children are conceived too,no matter what any one of you all say otherwise.
Its wrong,its not normal and its not natural for a human being having sex with another human being of the same sex.
Do you people even know how homosexuality got it's start in the first place?
It got started long ago thru ritual sodomy which includes having sex with animals.
So,if that is what you call normal and natural then perhaps there is something wrong with some of you.
Well, see there's your rub......you have NO issue just as long as someone doesn't tell you they are born that way, it's natural or it's innate, right?

How do you know that NOT one person who is Gay or Lesbian was born that way? How do you know that it is NOT normal for Gays and Lesbians to be attracted to the Same-Sex? How do you know it is NOT natural for Gays and Lesbians to be who them are? I know, because you SAY SO, right?

Where is your evidence that homosexuality got it start by ritual sodomy and bestiality? Now, this is what I call TOTAL BULL SHIET.......sorry, but it is not natural for me to be involved with a man......nor to be intimate with one as well......and this is why you do have an issue with Gays and Lesbians.........and sorry, but if infertile/sterile couples can use outside medical help to conceive a child and that is okay with you......then it should be okay that a Gay or Lesbian couple use the same means!!!
St Black Pope

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#3740 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
Marlene Zuk, a professor of biology at the University of California at Riverside and author of ''Sexual Selections: What We Can and Can't Learn About Sex From Animals''(University of California Press, 2002), notes that scientists have speculated that homosexuality may have an evolutionary purpose, ensuring the survival of the species. By not producing their own offspring, homosexuals may help support or nurture their relatives' young.''That is a contribution to the gene pool,'' she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/07/arts/love-t...
So, based on this peer reviewed evidence, not, gays can not be parents, they must simply be babysitters and watch the children while the real humans have lives.

Come one, science, we want science, not a belly opinion. So, yo are saying that when a tiger agressively rapes another tiger, is is support.

So, I get it when gay men are in the toilet having penile and oral butt sex, getting AIDS, diseases, and committing suicide, it is for family support and nurture of relatives.

Come on, if you stick to science, your bias will not scream, so loudly and your gay issues will not be so apparent.
little lamb

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#3741 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
Read it and weep, you bigoted piece of crap:
. Furthermore, much but not all same-same sex attraction is probably based in genetics or epigenetics, with predispositions established before birth.
Far from being a “sin against nature,” homosexuality is more natural than the sexual abstinence imposed by many human cultures, and more natural than their many artifacts.
Homosexuality is not a “new normal.” It’s an old one.
Homosexual behavior is ubiquitous throughout the animal kingdom. It occurs in numerous species from worms to primates, including the Utah state bird, the seagull. Bonobos (previously called pygmy chimpanzees) are one of human’s closest cousins, sharing nearly 99 percent of our DNA. Nearly all bonobos are bisexual, and some engage in homosexual behavior almost hourly.
It seems unlikely that’s the result of a bonobo ACLU, or a bonobo militant homosexual “agenda.”
So, new rule: Folks can’t rightly complain against “unnatural” homosexual behaviors unless they themselves are living outdoors 24-7-365 and walking around buck naked.
Legally, such natural homosexual behaviors in animals were noted as part of the defense in Lawrence v. Texas. That’s the Supreme Court case that struck down the Texas law banning gay sex.
By extension, the ruling also effectively invalidated anti-sodomy laws in other states, including Utah. Not surprisingly, but incorrectly, Utah had advised the Court that sex between homosexuals was harmful in ways that the identical sexual behavior between heterosexuals was not.
Negating popular misperceptions, the U.S. Supreme Court further noted that,“[f]ar from possessing ‘ancient roots,’... American laws targeting same-sex couples did not develop until the last third of the 20th century.”
And, poignantly,“this Court’s obligation is to define the liberty of all, not to mandate its own moral code.”
In considering gay marriage, let’s remember that interracial marriage also was once considered unnatural, and was illegal in Utah until 1963.

And, now, this Tuesday and Wednesday, the U.S. Supreme Court is poised to take the next step: to consider whether gays, too, will be allowed marriage equality throughout the land.
But at an even deeper level, equal rights for homosexuals don’t depend on the genetic and biological mechanisms underlying sexuality—any more than do equal rights for heterosexuals. Or equal rights for people of different races.
“Gay rights” are not “special” rights. They are human rights.
“Gay rights” are not now being “granted.” Instead, they are no longer — or should no longer be — being taken away.
Homosexuals are humans. So, naturally, they deserve all the same human rights that heterosexuals do, including the rights to employment, housing, marriage, hospital visits, and inheritance. Without discrimination.
Notice the fellow has to turn to animalistic behavior to excuse his actions...However a Christian is a new creation..a new Adam ..the man from heaven....

He also confuses basic human rights of employment and housing and visiting the sick , with sexual behavior..

He also confuses 'race' of man and woman , to being the same as homosexual relations ..not so..

God has not made a command in the new testament on race..saying in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek...and showing that Phillip was sent to an Ethiopian...

but he certainly warns in the new testament, that practicers of men laying with men the same as a woman, will not enter the Kingdom of God.

So God out of one man made every race of men...but God certainly does not make a homosexual..that is an action determined by the individual...unless he wants to say he is a robot and can't control himself.

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#3742 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>You are indeed a self loathing gay and I pity you, bigot.
Please explain why you mentioned science, went to a gay bias site but mention no studies and no scientific evidence? Nada.
So, you are saying that we can't complain about unnatural gay behavior unless we are living outside.. So, you admit that it is unnatural and I agree.
Where is the science, you only present politics and that is just your opinion.
Like I said, birds can fly, fish live in water and that is natural for them and not humans. You made the animal natural argument.
Now, grow up before I start flying and stop whining like a baby or gay.
Okay,I'm back.
Well,it appears that the advocates of the abnormal & unnatural are still fuming over the fact that they can't get their head around the truth of things.
They want us to believe that one can be born gay,then again some people believe that Elvis Presley was abducted by space aliens.

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#3743 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>So, which secular tribe founded America? was it the Pilgrims, nope not secular, so was it the Amish, no not secular, so was it the Puritans, no not secular, perhaps the Mormons, nope not secular, well I know, it surely had to be the Protestants, gosh no, not secular.
The U.S. Constitution was founded by Biblical principles. If you don't like it, you can leave. "we are endowed with inalienable God given right given by our Creator"
The Native Americans were here long before any of those white people showed up with the cult beliefs in Christianity!!!

The United States Constitution DOES NOT mention any God, Jesus or religious beliefs, nor was this Country founded on any Christian beliefs........only the Declaration of Independence has any reference to a Creator and that doesn't mean it is God.....just some higher power!!!
St Black Pope

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#3745 Apr 15, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
As I stated earlier, the evidence that proves that homosexuality is natural is overwhelming.
Anyone who disagrees is either an idiot that cannot comprehend the written word, or a bigoted jerk who has incurable homophobia.
As I stated earlier,the evidence that proves that homosexuality is the product of abuse is overwhelming.

Anyone who disagrees is either gay or an idiot who cannot comprehend the written word, or a bigoted jerk gay who has incurable self loathing suicidal homophobia.

Yeah buddy, you do not want religious beliefs forced on you, but you want to force deviant perverted sexual illnesses onto normal people.

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