How can a gay be a Christian??
little lamb

Australia

#3354 Apr 11, 2013
Another thing of all the Laws God gave to the Jews...

this Law against homosexuality was expected of nations ...

Sodom and Gomorrah were not Jewish...the Law covenant had not even come into existence at this stage

God abhors this sin to the point he calls it an abomination
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#3355 Apr 11, 2013
More madness from you.

I've never seen Belgium bum Luxembourg.
little lamb wrote:
this Law against homosexuality was expected of nations ...

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#3356 Apr 11, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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No body has the right to tell anyone what to do..
But God has the right to be the only LAWGIVER and Judge.....otherwise we just come under the domination of men
[2] We preach his word, not our own opinion'
[3] His word says " a man who lays with another man the same as a woman , is an abomination."
[4] Sodom and Gomorrah were not Christian, they were not even Jewish..but their sin was punished ..and part of their sin, was 'detestable works' of which homosexuality was one sympton of their degenerate behavior.
You Christian fundies try and do it EVERYDAY.....and then condemn those who don't believe like you to some supposed lake of fire.....not your place!!!

You preach what you BELIEVE is His words, but you don't know what God's message is......and again, it is still about what you BELIEVE and not about what others believe!!!

God didn't say that......it's what is in some story written in the bible......and it had NOTHING to do with Gay men, but with regards to how the Canaanite Warriors were being treated in order to humiliate them and break their fighting spirits.

Sodom and Gomorrah had NOT a damn thing to do with Homosexuality......it had to do with inhospitably towards new comers, but you are entitled to believe the story any way ya want......besides, it's just that......a story!!!

If God is the only one to pass judgment......THEN LET GOD DO HIS JOB......and stop trying to do it for Him!!!

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#3360 Apr 11, 2013
Ant wrote:
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The penalty for sin was death. If they broke Gods laws they were to be put to death.
That was my point. Notice that it was MAN that carroed out the executions, not GOD.

Do you remember what you psoted?

"Mans law could tell us it is okay to kill people, but Gods law will never tolerate that."

So you see it is GOD'S laws too that say it's okay to kill people.

In other words, you were wrong.

As usual.

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#3361 Apr 11, 2013
Ant wrote:
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You very unintelligent person, the whole meaning of everything you wrote is that we are all sinners and we need to repent of our sins and turn to Jesus. You can keep making all our stupid claims you want, but you will keep putting your own foot in your won mouth.
And if God sucks so much, why dont you get off this Christan forum and go conversate in the atheist forum...atleast you will get to know better the people you will be going to the lake of fire with.
"Conversate"?

And you dare call ME unintelligent? You're a joke.

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#3362 Apr 11, 2013
Ant wrote:
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The bible declares what moral. Many of Americas laws were based of biblical principal, before this current wicked and unbelieving (You Included) generation came about.
The Bible says that if a woman is raped and no one hears her scream, then the "moral" thing to do is to execute her.

Really?

What if the rapist gagged her so she couldn't scream? "STONE HER!" is what your God commands.

Your God SUCKS. Your Bible SUCKS. If you think it's morally right to execute a woman who was gagged and raped, then YOU suck too.

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#3363 Apr 11, 2013
The Bible declares that a woman who isn't a virgin on her wedding night should be executed.

Well, some women who have never had intercourse are not virgins, according to the test for virginity in he Bible.

The hymen doesn't only break from the first sexual encounter, it can break because of illness, from heavy lifting, or from riding horses.

There is no foolproof way to prove whether or not a woman is a virgin n her wedding night, so the Biblical law that demands that a new bride whose hymen isn't intact be executed proves one of two things:

1. The Bible was written by men, who believed women were inferior.

2. The Bible was dictated by a God who treats women as property.

Either way, the Bible has been severely discredited as a source of moral guidelines.

dollarsbill

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#3364 Apr 11, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Then why doesn't he change EVERYONE'S heart?
Either he will not (which means he is NOT all-loving) or he cannot (which means he is not all-powerful.)
See? Your God - and all-loving and all-powerful God - doesn't exist.
You should be concerned about why He hasn't changed your heart. Your day of doom is coming soon.

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#3365 Apr 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You should be concerned about why He hasn't changed your heart. Your day of doom is coming soon.
There are three possible reasons why your God hasn't changed my heart:

1. He can't, which means he isn't all-powerful.

2. He won't, which means he isn't all-merciful.

3. He doesn't exist.

Your God is a five-sided square. The way you've defined him it is impossible for him to exist.

And you know it, too, don't you? You're just too afraid to admit it. What a cowardly little person you are.

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#3366 Apr 11, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
The one thing that you and I both know that different denominations like Baptist,Pentecostal,Methodist and Protestant all believe in Christianity yet their version of the doctrine differs a little from one another.
Yes, their doctrinal believes are different, yet they all defer to the same Holy Spirit, right?
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
Like one believes in the speaking of tongues while another believes that the speaking of tongues is not for us that it only applies to those that lived in Biblical times, some believes that faith alone is enough to obtain salvation while others believe that you obtain salvation thru good works here on Earth.[/QUOTE
Well, since Jesus did in fact teach what one must do in order to inherit eternal life, and since He was totally silent on the issue of speaking in tongue, I think that Christians will do diligence if they followed Jesus’ teachings or the lack thereof, right?
[QUOTE who="Gary Coaldigger"] Now I believe in my assessment that was taught to me and to me it makes sense yet I know that I can't expect others to believe as I do about homosexuality and the Bible.
The bible does not specifically address the issue of homosexuality. On the other hand, you are free to believe whatever you wish, with all due respect.
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
Nevertheless, regardless of how I feel towards homosexuals and what I believe and don't believe I have to accept them for who they are and acknowledge that they have just as much rights as I do and it would be wrong to infringe or deprive them of those rights.
Bingo!
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
After all, none of them answers to me and I don't answer to none of them.
I totally agree.

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#3367 Apr 11, 2013
reposted for clarity:
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
The one thing that you and I both know that different denominations like Baptist,Pentecostal,Methodist and Protestant all believe in Christianity yet their version of the doctrine differs a little from one another.
Yes, their doctrinal believes are different, yet they all defer to the same Holy Spirit, right?
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
Like one believes in the speaking of tongues while another believes that the speaking of tongues is not for us that it only applies to those that lived in Biblical times, some believes that faith alone is enough to obtain salvation while others believe that you obtain salvation thru good works here on Earth.
Well, since Jesus did in fact teach what one must do in order to inherit eternal life, and since He was totally silent on the issue of speaking in tongue, I think that Christians will do diligence if they followed Jesus’ teachings or the lack thereof, right?
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
Now I believe in my assessment that was taught to me and to me it makes sense yet I know that I can't expect others to believe as I do about homosexuality and the Bible.
The bible does not specifically address the issue of homosexuality. On the other hand, you are free to believe whatever you wish, with all due respect.
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
Nevertheless, regardless of how I feel towards homosexuals and what I believe and don't believe I have to accept them for who they are and acknowledge that they have just as much rights as I do and it would be wrong to infringe or deprive them of those rights.
Bingo!
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
After all, none of them answers to me and I don't answer to none of them.
I totally agree.

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#3368 Apr 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You should be concerned about why He hasn't changed your heart. Your day of doom is coming soon.
YOU should be concerned about living an idle, slothful life, condemning people on Topix, 24/7.

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#3369 Apr 11, 2013
little lamb wrote:
The bible is pretty clear on the fact homosexuality is a gross sin..and i suspect you think that if you repeat something often enough people will believe you know what the scriptures say..but it doesn't work Gundee..
Again, there is not a single verse in the earliest MSS that mentions “homosexuality.” And this is an irrefutable fact, no matter how many times you try to avoid it.
little lamb wrote:
Leviticus 20 [13] "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
In some of the modern-day English translated versions of the Holy Bible, I see the phrase “if a man has sexual relations with a man,” right? However, in the earliest Hebrew writing it says,“if a isyh lie with a “zakar,” rather than “if an “isyh” lies with an “isyh,” right? Thus, as long as some translators change the wording of the Hebrew scripture, we will continue to see many different versions of the bible, all of which claimed to be the word of God, right?
little lamb wrote:
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Please see my previous comments.
little lamb wrote:
Romans 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error..
Again, please review the earliest Greek MSS for the origin wording of this passage.
little lamb wrote:
I believe Gundee tries to give the impression he knows what the bible says on homosexuality , but the best thing is not to argue but to just publicize what gods word says..
he will just come back with his repeated mantra..but gods word is more powerful.
Wow! Please tell us which particular English version of the countless translations is truly God’s words, if you would be so kind.

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

United States

#3370 Apr 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You should be concerned about why He hasn't changed your heart. Your day of doom is coming soon.
Your concept of God is just crazy. If there is a God, it sure is not your version. You've been brainwashed. Easy to do to someone who is way too scared to entertain his own thoughts. Sad waste of a brain.

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#3371 Apr 11, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
SO, WHY ARE YOU PASSING JUDGMENT? Temper, temper, this is a sign that your B.S> is not being bought.
If hospitality were the reason,then the decision to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah would have come after towards.
First, when were the people in Gomorrah inhospitable to the angels? Only happened in Sodom.
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Genesis 18:16-19:29.
Sodom and Gomorrah - Story Summary:
Three angels visited Abraham, God's hand-picked founder of his chosen nation, Israel. They came disguised as men, travelers along the road. Two of them went down to Sodom and Gomorrah, to observe firsthand the wickedness in those cities.
THEY CAME TO OBSERVE THE WICKEDNESS.
The other visitor, who was the Lord, stayed behind. He revealed to Abraham that he was going to destroy the cities because of the evil ways of their people. Abraham, a special friend of the Lord, began to bargain with God to spare the cities if there were righteous people in them.
THE LORD REVEALED TO ABRAHAM THAT THE CITIES WOULD BE DESTROYED, LONG BEFORE THE VISITORS GOT THERE.
Evil is all around us in today's society, from lying and stealing to pornography, drugs, illicit sex, and violence. God calls us to be holy people set apart, not influenced by our wicked culture. Sin always has consequences. Do you take sin and God's wrath seriously?
No, the only reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed was not homosexuality.
The reasons are in Leviticus 18.
No matter how many times you claim that Lev 18 discloses why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, according to the biblical text, the reason that it was destroyed was, and I quote,“For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it”(Gen 19:13, KJV).

In fact, it is simply an unscriptural myth that these cities’ destruction had anything to do with homosexuality. Sadly, when people believe something, they engage in false attribution of the scriptural in an attempt to make the scripture says things that it clearly does not say, even to the novice reader, with all due respect.

dollarsbill

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#3372 Apr 11, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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There are three possible reasons why your God hasn't changed my heart:
"1. He can't, which means he isn't all-powerful."

Proverbs 16:4 (NKJV)
4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

"2. He won't, which means he isn't all-merciful."
I never said He is all-merciful.

Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

"3. He doesn't exist."
Prove it.

"Your God is a five-sided square. The way you've defined him it is impossible for him to exist."

I defined Him?

"And you know it, too, don't you? You're just too afraid to admit it. What a cowardly little person you are."
Oh the irony.

dollarsbill

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#3373 Apr 11, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
The bible does not specifically address the issue of homosexuality.
Do you ever wonder why you are a liar?

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

dollarsbill

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#3374 Apr 11, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
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YOU should be concerned about living an idle, slothful life, condemning people on Topix, 24/7.
Just delivering my soul.

Ezekiel 33:9 (NKJV)
9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.

dollarsbill

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#3375 Apr 11, 2013
John from Texas wrote:
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Your concept of God is just crazy.
Not my 'concept', the Bible's.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

Revelation 20:15 (NKJV)
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

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#3376 Apr 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Do you ever wonder why you are a liar?
1 Corinthians 6:9 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Please tell me that you are not deceived into believing that the word homosexual is actually an accurate translation of any Hebrew or Greek word, especially since the term homosexual was not coined when the bible was originally written.

Furthermore, remember it was Paul who used guile to trick people. Yet, this is who you continuously quote, right?

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