How can a gay be a Christian??

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#3106 Apr 7, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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Don't states mention God in their preambles?
I believe the Massachusetts reference to the "Great Legislator of the Universe", refers to Billy Bulger, and if you don't believe it, his brother will kill you.

In almost all cases, states mention God in the preambles to their constitutions. Only a few do not. New Hampshire, Vermont, and Virginia do not have preambles. Tennessee's only mentions "Lord" in the context of dates. Oregon's preamble is decidedly neutral.
The use of the term "in the year of our Lord" is very common.
Many states mention God in sections that refer to religious freedom, but many of those refer to "Almighty God," which, by all objective standards, is an endorsement of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic deity (several of the religious freedom sections mention Christianity specifically).
A handful of states have provisions that deny elective office to anyone who does not believe in God. Some also prohibit non-believers from serving as witnesses in trials. These provisions are probably not enforceable. See Specific Denials for more detail.
The oaths of office codified in the various constitutions often include the closing statement, "So help me God." Several states allow an alternate statement such as "Under the pains and penalties of perjury." Several do not allow an alternate closing, and several have no such closing whatever.

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#3107 Apr 7, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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Don't states mention God in their preambles?
Regardless of whether a State mentions God either in their Preamble or at the beginning of their Constitution does not mean that it makes laws according to the bible!!!

There is a separation of Church and State and no State can MANDATE that the Citizens of that State believe in God or even accept God......nor can they demand that those running for a political office need to believe in God!!!

So, what's your point in asking these questions? How do you define a "TRUE" or "REAL" Christian? Do you believe that the bible is the Word of God?

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#3108 Apr 7, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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I understand.
I however believe the bible to be the Word of God.
That's your right, but your right does not mean that I must believe as you do!!!

Your bible also does not make the laws of this Country and can not dictate morals either.

Peace!

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#3109 Apr 7, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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I don't believe the USA was created to be a Christian nation.
I do believe that Judaic Christian beliefs were also incorporated in the constitution and building of this nation to some extent.
Well, regardless of what you believe, no Judaic Christian beliefs were incorporated into our Constitution.......however there are religious cultural art incorporated into certain Court Buildings!!!

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#3110 Apr 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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That's your right, but your right does not mean that I must believe as you do!!!
Your bible also does not make the laws of this Country and can not dictate morals either.
Peace!
Actually,you're wrong on one part.
The Bible does dictate morals but it is up to the individual to follow that sense of morality that is put forth and The Bible has indeed influenced laws in this country.
For example,"Thou Shalt Not Kill" murder is a capital offense and there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
"Thou Shalt Not Steal",stealing is a misdemeanor and sometimes its a felony,depending on the circumstances and where you live and,again,there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
Of course,the method of punishment is more civilized and modern.
Even though in some states we put murderers to death,however,we don't amputate hands as a method of punishment in this country for stealing.
Not everything in the Bible has been a means to make laws in this country but what influence it made to write some laws are commonly known as Criminal Law.
Unlike those Muslim countries in the Middle East,here in the states no one is required to worship and follow one particular religion.
We,as citizens of the free world,has the freedom to choose to believe what we want and worship how we want or not believe in any religion and not worship anything at all.

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#3111 Apr 8, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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Actually,you're wrong on one part.
The Bible does dictate morals but it is up to the individual to follow that sense of morality that is put forth and The Bible has indeed influenced laws in this country.
For example,"Thou Shalt Not Kill" murder is a capital offense and there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
"Thou Shalt Not Steal",stealing is a misdemeanor and sometimes its a felony,depending on the circumstances and where you live and,again,there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
Sorry, but your belief in that book you call the bible does NOT dictate morals or values to anyone except those who want it to......my morals and values do not come from the bible, nor does the bible dictate to me how I should live my life!!!

Our laws are also NOT guided or governed by the bible....they are guided by and governed by what society has decided based on years of experiences from other Countries.

Thou Shall Not Kill is a Commandment given by God, however there are many times in the bible where God commanded women, children and others to be murdered......but that's not why we have enacted laws against murder today. The same is true for not stealing.....and we try to enact punishments that fit the crime, but that doesn't always happen.......and just because those two examples are mentioned in the 10 Commandments, that doesn't mean that they influenced our laws strictly because they came from the bible.


From an article about What is the law:
We enact laws because we live around other people and need to understand that we just can't do what we want to do, when we want to do it!!!

If we did not live in a structured society with other people, laws would not be necessary. We would simply do as we please, with little regard for others. But ever since individuals began to associate with other people -- to live in society --laws have been the glue that has kept society together.

Even in a well-ordered society, people have disagreements and conflicts arise. The law must provide a way to resolve these disputes peacefully. If two people claim to own the same piece of property, we do not want the matter settled by a duel: we turn to the law and to institutions like the courts to decide who is the real owner and to make sure that the real owner's rights are respected.

In our society, laws are not only designed to govern our conduct: they are also intended to give effect to social policies. For example, some laws provide for benefits when workers are injured on the job, for health care, as well as for loans to students who otherwise might not be able to go to university.

Another goal of the law is fairness. This means that the law should recognize and protect certain basic individual rights and freedoms, such as liberty and equality. The law also serves to ensure that strong groups and individuals do not use their powerful positions in society to take unfair advantage of weaker individuals.

However, despite the best intentions, laws are sometimes created that people later recognize as being unjust or unfair. In a democratic society like Canada, laws are not carved in stone, but must reflect the changing needs of society. In a democracy, anyone who feels that a particular law is flawed has the right to speak out publicly and to seek to change the law by lawful means.
https://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/en/can/en_ca...

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#3112 Apr 8, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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Actually,you're wrong on one part.
The Bible does dictate morals but it is up to the individual to follow that sense of morality that is put forth and The Bible has indeed influenced laws in this country.
For example,"Thou Shalt Not Kill" murder is a capital offense and there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
"Thou Shalt Not Steal",stealing is a misdemeanor and sometimes its a felony,depending on the circumstances and where you live and,again,there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
Of course,the method of punishment is more civilized and modern.
Even though in some states we put murderers to death,however,we don't amputate hands as a method of punishment in this country for stealing.
Not everything in the Bible has been a means to make laws in this country but what influence it made to write some laws are commonly known as Criminal Law.
Unlike those Muslim countries in the Middle East,here in the states no one is required to worship and follow one particular religion.
We,as citizens of the free world,has the freedom to choose to believe what we want and worship how we want or not believe in any religion and not worship anything at all.
Laws against murder and stealing are also laws in other countries that are not Christian nations at all.
In fact, when the Ten Commandments were written, there WAS NO Christianity at that time.

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#3113 Apr 8, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Laws against murder and stealing are also laws in other countries that are not Christian nations at all.
In fact, when the Ten Commandments were written, there WAS NO Christianity at that time.
Just like there was no Catholicism at that time either and besides that,I wasn't talking solely of "Christian Law".
I was speaking of the influence thereof that it expresses and therefor indicates the foundation of Criminal Law in general.

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Since: Dec 10

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#3114 Apr 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Jesus limited His powers as God while He was in His incarnation. That means He did not know everything while in such a state.
It amazes me the nonsense crap you come up with when you have no answer.

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#3115 Apr 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Sorry, but your belief in that book you call the bible does NOT dictate morals or values to anyone except those who want it to......my morals and values do not come from the bible, nor does the bible dictate to me how I should live my life!!!
Our laws are also NOT guided or governed by the bible....they are guided by and governed by what society has decided based on years of experiences from other Countries.
Thou Shall Not Kill is a Commandment given by God, however there are many times in the bible where God commanded women, children and others to be murdered......but that's not why we have enacted laws against murder today. The same is true for not stealing.....and we try to enact punishments that fit the crime, but that doesn't always happen.......and just because those two examples are mentioned in the 10 Commandments, that doesn't mean that they influenced our laws strictly because they came from the bible.
From an article about What is the law:
We enact laws because we live around other people and need to understand that we just can't do what we want to do, when we want to do it!!!
If we did not live in a structured society with other people, laws would not be necessary. We would simply do as we please, with little regard for others. But ever since individuals began to associate with other people -- to live in society --laws have been the glue that has kept society together.
Even in a well-ordered society, people have disagreements and conflicts arise. The law must provide a way to resolve these disputes peacefully. If two people claim to own the same piece of property, we do not want the matter settled by a duel: we turn to the law and to institutions like the courts to decide who is the real owner and to make sure that the real owner's rights are respected.
In our society, laws are not only designed to govern our conduct: they are also intended to give effect to social policies. For example, some laws provide for benefits when workers are injured on the job, for health care, as well as for loans to students who otherwise might not be able to go to university.
Another goal of the law is fairness. This means that the law should recognize and protect certain basic individual rights and freedoms, such as liberty and equality. The law also serves to ensure that strong groups and individuals do not use their powerful positions in society to take unfair advantage of weaker individuals.
However, despite the best intentions, laws are sometimes created that people later recognize as being unjust or unfair. In a democratic society like Canada, laws are not carved in stone, but must reflect the changing needs of society. In a democracy, anyone who feels that a particular law is flawed has the right to speak out publicly and to seek to change the law by lawful means.
https://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/en/can/en_ca...
That is where you are wrong.
Take the conflict of carnal structure vs. religion out of the equation.
Humanity revolves around evolution and the desire to ascend one's self to be better,to improve.
Without the sense of morality to govern one's self and the maturity to accept responsibility,Humanity would be
self- destructive.

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#3116 Apr 8, 2013
Gary has resorted to cut and paste without giving the source.
Naughty, naughty Gary.

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#3117 Apr 8, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
Gary has resorted to cut and paste without giving the source.
Naughty, naughty Gary.
I haven't cut nor pasted anything on this forum,Nettie.
Are you drunk or high on dope or something?

satanic witch

“We R Watching U”

Since: Dec 11

Albany, NY

#3118 Apr 8, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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Actually,you're wrong on one part.
The Bible does dictate morals but it is up to the individual to follow that sense of morality that is put forth and The Bible has indeed influenced laws in this country.
For example,"Thou Shalt Not Kill" murder is a capital offense and there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
"Thou Shalt Not Steal",stealing is a misdemeanor and sometimes its a felony,depending on the circumstances and where you live and,again,there is punishment that is enforced by law on those who violate that law.
Of course,the method of punishment is more civilized and modern.
Even though in some states we put murderers to death,however,we don't amputate hands as a method of punishment in this country for stealing.
Not everything in the Bible has been a means to make laws in this country but what influence it made to write some laws are commonly known as Criminal Law.
Unlike those Muslim countries in the Middle East,here in the states no one is required to worship and follow one particular religion.
We,as citizens of the free world,has the freedom to choose to believe what we want and worship how we want or not believe in any religion and not worship anything at all.
Gary, laws against murder and theft existed long before the Hebrews.
The morality of the bible only applies to those who are Christians just a Sharia law only applies to those who are Muslims and the Nine Satanic Sins only apply to satanists. The government of the US cannot force any religious based morality upon others.
The laws against murder and theft are universally accepted laws in every society and they're not restricted or seen as purely religious laws.
The laws which pertain to religion such as abominations against god or Allah only apply to believers of those faiths. For example,it doesn't matter to me what is an abomination to god or Allah and the government cannot force me to avoid offending them or their followers.
The argument that SSM is against the teaching in the bible and Quran does not fly because the government cannot base laws on that. If followers of those religions do not like SSM then they do not have to participate. Homosexuals can get married in civil ceremonies or in religious ceremonies in churches etc which do not see SSM as sinful. No one could force any church to host a SS wedding.

satanic witch

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#3119 Apr 8, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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That is where you are wrong.
Take the conflict of carnal structure vs. religion out of the equation.
Humanity revolves around evolution and the desire to ascend one's self to be better,to improve.
Without the sense of morality to govern one's self and the maturity to accept responsibility,Humanity would be
self- destructive.
There is a religion based upon human carnality, it is called satanism.
We believe wholeheartedly in the desire to ascend one's self to be better,to improve. If everyone believed in this then there would be no need for argument as everyone would be looking out for their own interests instead of worrying about the personal choices of other people which do not affect anyone except the parties involved.

satanic witch

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Since: Dec 11

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#3120 Apr 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Well, regardless of what you believe, no Judaic Christian beliefs were incorporated into our Constitution.......however there are religious cultural art incorporated into certain Court Buildings!!!
Actually,the US government was influenced by the ancient Roman and Greek philosophies.
Judaic Christians stole their morality from older pagan religions so it is not originally theirs to claim.

satanic witch

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Since: Dec 11

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#3121 Apr 8, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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Don't states mention God in their preambles?
Preambles are not laws.
God is not mentioned in the US Constitution.

satanic witch

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#3122 Apr 8, 2013
Gary Coaldigger wrote:
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I haven't cut nor pasted anything on this forum,Nettie.
Are you drunk or high on dope or something?
I didn't see anything that you copy/pasted either.
little lamb

Australia

#3123 Apr 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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That's your right, but your right does not mean that I must believe as you do!!!
Your bible also does not make the laws of this Country and can not dictate morals either.
Peace!
Well someone does...and who makes your decision on LAW??

If it is not God who determines Law..then you have to put a man in Gods place..and then you open up the way for a tyrant...

Or being ruled by arbitrary Law..which leads to so many Laws you can't breathe.

Putting man in as Law MAKER..leads to loss of freedom...because all governments need money to continue..

and giving them all authority , instead of making their authority RELATIVE to God..then fellow you are just a slave to be used to generate money to keep them going..

satanic witch

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Since: Dec 11

Albany, NY

#3124 Apr 8, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Well someone does...and who makes your decision on LAW??
If it is not God who determines Law..then you have to put a man in Gods place..and then you open up the way for a tyrant...
Or being ruled by arbitrary Law..which leads to so many Laws you can't breathe.
Putting man in as Law MAKER..leads to loss of freedom...because all governments need money to continue..
and giving them all authority , instead of making their authority RELATIVE to God..then fellow you are just a slave to be used to generate money to keep them going..
God is a tyrant. Have you never read the bible? He is nothing but a tyrant who throws tantrums like a spoiled child over the slightest hint that someone might fond another deity or no deity more useful than him. Even in Heaven all you will get to do is praise him for eternity. How boring is that? An eternity of being around your loved ones and friends in a beautiful place but you never get to socialize or enjoy anything because you have to stand before god and praise him forever. Try doing that for just one day and see how bored you get.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#3127 Apr 8, 2013
gundee123 wrote:
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But Jesus did address the issue of hypocrisy, right? At any rate,“What specific sexual sins did Jesus address,” if you do not mind my asking? You see, from what I have studied, He addressed adultery and fornication, but not homosexuality.
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I agree, for I have continually said,“Jesus never condoned nor condemned homosexuality,” right?
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Levictus 18 speaks to an Israelite man lying with a sacred male in worship of a sex fertility God named Molech. And according to the God of Israel, that is a sin, right?
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I totally agree that people should wake up! However, what they should wake up to is the bigotry and hatred that the LBGT community now suffers as a result of unscriptural biblical claims, with all due respect.
-Jesus did not have to address homosexuality because they all knew it was sexual immorality and there was no debate about that. The only reason was would have to speak about it is because Rome did stuff like that with all there Pagan God worship as well. Jesus didnt speak against bestiality either, but that doesnt make it right.

-As for the Lev 18 referring to Molech worship, that is just twisting scriptures. The whole chapter is listing 1 by 1 , the type of sexual activity one should not be engaging in and man laying with man is right in there with bestiality and having sex with your relatives.

-And standing up for the bible doesnt equal hatred for the LGBT community. They are the ones trying to reword scripture, so their lifestyle can be accepted in the church.

-I really wish people would think of the children in the whole gay debate. Kids mimic what they see adults doing, so if 2 boys sees a grown men locking lips, they will try to imitate it sooner or later. I personally dont want to see 7 and 8 yr old boys kissing each other

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