How can a gay be a Christian??
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#316 Feb 14, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a christian or a jew?
Im a Christian

Jazybird58

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#317 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Im a Christian
Why are you posting Jewish law?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#318 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Im a Christian
Are you following all 613 laws of the OT?
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#319 Feb 14, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you posting Jewish law?
There is no such thing as Jeesih LAw...The bible is a Hebrew book, like it or not. The OT is not null and void, much of the OT still applies and some parts dont apply.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#320 Feb 14, 2013
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you following all 613 laws of the OT?
No, no body does or can.

All 613 doesnt apply to everyone. Some commands applied to men only, some to women only, some to kings only, and some to priests only, and the rest was to everyone.

The ceremonial and sacrificial parts of the law were fulfilled, thats why they were not repeated or brought over into the New Testament like the rest of other the laws. All of the 1000 + commands in the new testament are pulled right from the OT with some new additions as well on how we can love one another, but sin is still sin and moral parts of the law still stands.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#321 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as Jeesih LAw...The bible is a Hebrew book, like it or not. The OT is not null and void, much of the OT still applies and some parts dont apply.
Jewish Law that is...Just so the smart responses dont start flowing in from the idiots that cant recognize a typo.

Jazybird58

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#322 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such thing as Jeesih LAw...The bible is a Hebrew book, like it or not. The OT is not null and void, much of the OT still applies and some parts dont apply.
LOL, you are not a Christian, read Matt 5.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#323 Feb 14, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, you are not a Christian, read Matt 5.
Just because Jesus fulfilled the law does that mean we are now free to sin at will. Homosexuality was a sin and will always be one, just like all the other sexual immorality listed in Lev 18.

Jazybird58

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#324 Feb 14, 2013
Dang we are missing some posts

Jazybird58

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#325 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because Jesus fulfilled the law does that mean we are now free to sin at will. Homosexuality was a sin and will always be one, just like all the other sexual immorality listed in Lev 18.
Lev 18 is Jewish law, are you a Jew?

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If the 613 laws apply to christians explain this.

Treatment of Gentiles
53.To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19)(CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
54.Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20)(CCN49).
55.Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20)(CCN50).
56.Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3)(CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.
57.To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3)(affirmative).
58.To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).

The 613 commandments (Hebrew: &#1514;&#1512;&#14 97;"&#1490; &#1502;&#1510;&#14 93;&#1493;&#1514;& #8206;: taryag mitzvot, "613 Mitzvot"; Biblical Hebrew: Mi&#7779;woth) is the number of mitzvot listed in the Torah, first codified by Rabbi Simlai in Talmud Makkot 23b.

These principles of Biblical law are sometimes called connections or commandments (mitzvot) and referred to collectively as the "Law of Moses" (Torat Mosheh, &#1514;&#1493;&#15 12;&#1514; &#1502;&#1513;&#14 92;), "Mosaic Law," "Sinaitic Law," or simply "the Law". The word mitzvot is plural; singular is mitzvah.
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#326 Feb 14, 2013
So if its in the OT, it only applies to Jews? Is it okay to kill lie, steal, commit adultery, and sexual immorality now...these are all in the 613 commands in the OT.

Jesus was a Jew, so if he and Paul are teaching from the law, its clear OT has relevance. The only thing Jesus and Paul didnt teach was ceremonial and sacrificial aspects, because they were all abolished.

Galatians 5:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Colossians 3:5-9
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,

Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[a] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

-Every single thing listed in the New Testament thats says what you do that will cause you not to inherit the Kingdom Of Heaven is pulled from where? The Old Testament

Jazybird58

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#327 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
So if its in the OT, it only applies to Jews? Is it okay to kill lie, steal, commit adultery, and sexual immorality now...these are all in the 613 commands in the OT.
Jesus was a Jew, so if he and Paul are teaching from the law, its clear OT has relevance. The only thing Jesus and Paul didnt teach was ceremonial and sacrificial aspects, because they were all abolished.
Galatians 5:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[a] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[b] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know,[a] that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Colossians 3:5-9
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[a] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
-Every single thing listed in the New Testament thats says what you do that will cause you not to inherit the Kingdom Of Heaven is pulled from where? The Old Testament
If the 613 laws apply to christians explain this.

Treatment of Gentiles
53.To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19)(CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
54.Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20)(CCN49).
55.Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20)(CCN50).
56.Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3)(CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.
57.To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3)(affirmative).
58.To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#328 Feb 14, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>If the 613 laws apply to christians explain this.
Treatment of Gentiles
53.To love the stranger (Deut. 10:19)(CCA61). See Love and Brotherhood.
54.Not to wrong the stranger in speech (Ex. 22:20)(CCN49).
55.Not to wrong the stranger in buying or selling (Ex. 22:20)(CCN50).
56.Not to intermarry with gentiles (Deut. 7:3)(CCN19). See Interfaith Marriages.
57.To exact the debt of an alien (Deut. 15:3)(affirmative).
58.To lend to an alien at interest (Deut. 23:21) According to tradition, this is mandatory (affirmative).
Im not say all 613 laws applies to Christians, the ceremonial and sacrificial are gone, and many laws God specifically told Moses these will be throughout your generations to come, so alot of those laws ended with the new covenant.

But homosexuality falls under the category of sexual immorality because it is mentioned many times in the OT and NT as wrong and Paul and Jesus himself say no sexual immoral person can inherit the kingdom of heaven. Like it or not homosexuality is sexual immorality, because God never once mentioned sex relations as being anything other than a man and woman involved and there is no green light in the bible for same sex couple to get it on and God is okay with it...it is sexual immorality and that applies to gay and straight people.

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#329 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not say all 613 laws applies to Christians, the ceremonial and sacrificial are gone, and many laws God specifically told Moses these will be throughout your generations to come, so alot of those laws ended with the new covenant.
But homosexuality falls under the category of sexual immorality because it is mentioned many times in the OT and NT as wrong and Paul and Jesus himself say no sexual immoral person can inherit the kingdom of heaven. Like it or not homosexuality is sexual immorality, because God never once mentioned sex relations as being anything other than a man and woman involved and there is no green light in the bible for same sex couple to get it on and God is okay with it...it is sexual immorality and that applies to gay and straight people.
No, homosexuality is NOT a sin as neither God nor Christ declared it to be.

You're a Jewish priest and nothing more if you think Christians are to be against homosexuality.

Jazybird58

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Since: Dec 11

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#330 Feb 14, 2013
Ant wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not say all 613 laws applies to Christians, the ceremonial and sacrificial are gone, and many laws God specifically told Moses these will be throughout your generations to come, so alot of those laws ended with the new covenant.
But homosexuality falls under the category of sexual immorality because it is mentioned many times in the OT and NT as wrong and Paul and Jesus himself say no sexual immoral person can inherit the kingdom of heaven. Like it or not homosexuality is sexual immorality, because God never once mentioned sex relations as being anything other than a man and woman involved and there is no green light in the bible for same sex couple to get it on and God is okay with it...it is sexual immorality and that applies to gay and straight people.
Matt 5

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So either Jesus fulilled them or they are all intact. That being said you are screwed, you break the laws each and every day.

Since: Dec 09

Calgary, Canada

#332 Feb 14, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying that Jesus fulfilled the OT laws, or are you saying that the OT laws still apply. I wish you christians would make up your minds.
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It's not what I say or what X-tianity says, it's what Yeshua has said.
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Yeshua came to fulfill prophecy, not man's obligation to obey G-d.
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If it is not a shadow (like the temple and the priesthood, then why would we think it is done away with unless we are just parroting what someone else said?
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1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#333 Feb 14, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Kinda let them hanging, huh?
Well said.
Kinda makes your sphincter quiver huh?

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#334 Feb 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Kinda makes your sphincter quiver huh?
Why don't you get real? Why don't you try to be a human being, for once? Why can't you love your fellow man, as Jesus teaches? You support every nutcase fundie on this forum. I think you have more intelligence than that.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#335 Feb 14, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Kinda makes your sphincter quiver huh?
You excited? OOOOOOOOOOH k! whatever floats your 'sphincter'...

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#336 Feb 15, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Other translations?? The KJV is the most accurate. Now why did you add homosexual to your copy and paste job? Homosexual is not in the KJV 1611 text.
Who made you a Bible authority? Satan? I rebuke you lying and antiChrist spirits in Jesus' Name. The Blood of Jesus against you.

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