How can a gay be a Christian??
Reality

San Diego, CA

#2485 Mar 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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I have known a number homosexuals and 3 of them are dead and one is very sick.
That has nothing to do with what I wrote to you..If you had a gay son or daughter you would turn pro gay marriage just like others have and gave I you one example of many..
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>Churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages. Don't talk to me about news agencies being unbiased. Just look at the last few years on the major networks and all we see 99% is pro gay support.
You posted a specific Church that was sued because they refused to preform a gay marriage.. Now you back off of that and say Churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages which will never happen. Freedom of religious belief in this country will prevent that to happen..
Reality

San Diego, CA

#2486 Mar 26, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text> Listen and learn, just a little. 1 in 100 children choose to be gay. So, based on that statistic a parent would need to have 100 children to get one gay.
Your whole post is total boloney. It's a know fact 1 out of every 10 people are born gay without choice. None of them can change that anymore than they can change their height, weight or intelligent level..

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Buda, TX

#2489 Mar 26, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>You are right, I am a menace to you and your lies. Glad you got that message. The fact that you are talking about my credentials points to you having none and mine being far reaching.
Oh, you of one brain cell. If I were an idiot like you, I would post my life story. I guarantee you this, I lived and experienced more countries by age 18 than you will in your entire lifetime.
You are special alright. I don't lie. I see your evil and all that garbage you spew here has no benefit except to educate people how horrible a human being can be.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#2490 Mar 26, 2013
Reality wrote:
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That has nothing to do with what I wrote to you..If you had a gay son or daughter you would turn pro gay marriage just like others have and gave I you one example of many..
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You posted a specific Church that was sued because they refused to preform a gay marriage.. Now you back off of that and say Churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages which will never happen. Freedom of religious belief in this country will prevent that to happen..
Not all parents become pro gay marriage when faced with a homosexual child. Some disown their children, kicked them out of the house, and refuse to have anything to do with them at all.

John from Texas

“It's all in your head”

Since: Dec 12

Buda, TX

#2491 Mar 26, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Youi are gay so you are a liar. It is a known fact that .8% of females are lesbian by socialization and environmental factors, as per the APA and 1.4% of males are gays by socialization and environmental factors.
Your use of the 10% figure shows that you are braindumb, since that was a number from the Kinsey study, and it was not representative of gays but a gay experience at least once in the prior 10 years of the study.
Now, you are calling all the ex-gay in the US liars, over 10,000 plus as of 2009. I guess if they don't conform to your bull then you reject them all. These ex-gays say that they experience more hate, ostracizing and discrimination from the gay community than they ever get or got from the straight community.
IN fact, all studies show that homosexuality is fluid.
So, you think that no one can change their height, happens all the time or you would be 7 inches tall, weight, happens all the time of you would be 7 pounds, intelligence, well you would be as learned as a child. Wait, skip the last one, well most people would still have the knowledge of an unlearned child, if what you said were true.
PLEASE TRY TO CHANGE YOUR DEBATE SKILLS.
Debate skills??????? You got none whatsoever!!!!!!!! You are a deluded dumbass.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2496 Mar 26, 2013
Reality wrote:
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That has nothing to do with what I wrote to you..If you had a gay son or daughter you would turn pro gay marriage just like others have and gave I you one example of many..
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You posted a specific Church that was sued because they refused to preform a gay marriage.. Now you back off of that and say Churches will be forced to perform same sex marriages which will never happen. Freedom of religious belief in this country will prevent that to happen..
If I had a son who wanted to engage in gay sex I would take him to an AIDS ward so he could see where he is headed.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Consider these other actions that have happened to people:
"- A Methodist church in New Jersey was sued for not offering its facility for use during same-sex weddings. A judge ruled against the church.
- A same-sex couple from California sued a Hawaiian bed and breakfast privately owned by a Christian woman for not allowing them to rent a room.
- A bed and breakfast in Alton privately owned by a Christian couple was sued when they would not host a same-sex civil union ceremony.
- Owners of a small, privately owned inn in Vermont declined to host a same sex wedding reception due to their religious views and were sued.
- An employee of Allstate insurance wrote an essay online disagreeing with same-sex marriage and was reportedly fired from his job as a result.
- Catholic Charities was barred from assisting in adoptions in Massachusetts, Washington, D.C., and Illinois and excluded from future contracts because it declined to consider same sex couples."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/26/gay...

If same sex marriages become law we should expect efforts to shut down churches that refuse to do them. Look at Canada. Pastors have been fined for speaking out against homosexuality.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2502 Mar 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
If I had a son who wanted to engage in gay sex I would take him to an AIDS ward so he could see where he is headed.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. Consider these other actions that have happened to people:
"- A Methodist church in New Jersey was sued for not offering its facility for use during same-sex weddings. A judge ruled against the church.
- A same-sex couple from California sued a Hawaiian bed and breakfast privately owned by a Christian woman for not allowing them to rent a room.
- A bed and breakfast in Alton privately owned by a Christian couple was sued when they would not host a same-sex civil union ceremony.
- Owners of a small, privately owned inn in Vermont declined to host a same sex wedding reception due to their religious views and were sued.
- An employee of Allstate insurance wrote an essay online disagreeing with same-sex marriage and was reportedly fired from his job as a result.
- Catholic Charities was barred from assisting in adoptions in Massachusetts, Washington, D.C., and Illinois and excluded from future contracts because it declined to consider same sex couples."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/26/gay...
If same sex marriages become law we should expect efforts to shut down churches that refuse to do them. Look at Canada. Pastors have been fined for speaking out against homosexuality.
First off.......not all who are Gay or Lesbian will contract HIV/AIDS.....so to take them to an HIV/AIDS ward would just be wrong on your part.....would you do the same for a straight child? I mean HIV/AIDS is not confined to just Gay men!!!

The Church in New Jersey was NOT sued because they would allow the Church to be used......it was a Pavilion that the Church was using as a public area and renting it out to the public, they also had an exception on that piece of property.......now, if they want to make it a private aspect of their Church, that is their right.....but at the time it was used as a public place and in New Jersey it is against the law to deny a public place to be used by Gays and Lesbians!!!

The same is true of Bed and Breakfast businesses......as long as they operate a PUBLIC BUSINESS......they can not deny a couple a place to stay based on sexual orientation!!!

The same is true of any PUBLIC BUSINESS.......that's why the photographer was sued!!!

We aren't Canada or in Canada and here one can speak out against homosexuality.......just like one has a right to speak out against religion!!!
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2503 Mar 26, 2013
Reality wrote:
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A gay person isn't attracted to the opposite sex (which is not normal) so the marriage could never be consummated..
In your case, the low IQ you have (which isn't normal) will prevent you from understanding much compared to the average person....Neither you or the gay person can change your situation in life (no matter how hard you try) so get over it!! Can you grok this simple truth, I doubt it..
You are so stupid and brainwashed into iniquity you can't even comprehend the english language anymore.

Try readin again, you pinhead:

Don't be a fool.

If the definition of marriage includes anybody that loves their partner, the next step is pedophelia and bestiality being included in marriage.
Then comes the law suits against intelligent people with morals that refuse to bend to the new abridged grey secular morality, or lack of morality, more precisely.

This issue in front of the SCOTUS is just the tip of the spear.
Once the camel's nose is under the tent......

SO.
Marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman.

Do you also have a problem with the definition of up?
How about down?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2504 Mar 26, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
If I had a son who wanted to engage in gay sex I would take him to an AIDS ward so he could see where he is headed.

- Catholic Charities was barred from assisting in adoptions in Massachusetts, Washington, D.C., and Illinois and excluded from future contracts because it declined to consider same sex couples."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/26/gay...
Catholic Charities was NOT barred from assisting in adoptions in Massachusetts or Washington DC.......Catholic Charities wanted to continue to receive state money while also wanting to out right discriminate against married Same-Sex Couples from being able to adopt......they also gave the City Council in Washington DC an Ultimatum.....either deny Gay and Lesbian couples the right to marry or they would shut down!!!
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2505 Mar 26, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Poor argument.
Free stuff isn't stealing.
Stealing isn't free stuff.
<quoted text>
Mind if I help myself to that wallet in your chest pocket?
It's free,...right?

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2506 Mar 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You are so stupid and brainwashed into iniquity you can't even comprehend the english language anymore.
Try readin again, you pinhead:
Don't be a fool.
If the definition of marriage includes anybody that loves their partner, the next step is pedophelia and bestiality being included in marriage.
Then comes the law suits against intelligent people with morals that refuse to bend to the new abridged grey secular morality, or lack of morality, more precisely.
This issue in front of the SCOTUS is just the tip of the spear.
Once the camel's nose is under the tent......
SO.
Marriage is defined as a union between one man and one woman.
Do you also have a problem with the definition of up?
How about down?
Actually it would be you that doesn't get it!!!
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2508 Mar 26, 2013
Reality wrote:
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Jeff, if you had a gay son or daughter you would be for gay marriage just like Republican Sen. Rob Portman. He only switched his adamant position after his son told him he was gay.......
If gay marriage becomes legal in this country, Churches will not be forced to have gay weddings in there Church.

That would be against freedom of religion which is the law of our land..
Are you another 'less than room temperature IQ' that hasn't heard the news out of DC about the violation of First Amendment Rights resulting from Obamacare demanding employer coverage for contraceptive care and abortion?

Pull your head out of the sewer pipe in your mom's basement and get up to speed with the world.

You are a low information individual. I hope you don't vote.
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2509 Mar 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Actually it would be you that doesn't get it!!!
Why? Because I don't agree with your opinion?

Your opinion lacks moral vicisitude.
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2510 Mar 26, 2013
Reality wrote:
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It's a know fact 1 out of every 10 people are born gay without choice. None of them can change that anymore than they can change their height, weight or intelligent level..
That's a complete out and out lie with no foundation in truth and fact.
You are full of shit and have no credibility.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#2511 Mar 26, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you back some of that bullshit up with facts? You cant? Its because you are full of crap.
Doc knows almost nothing about me personally, including where I live, in general much less in specifics. What I have told him, he chooses to discount for fabricated information he prefers. He cannot back up *any* of what he states about me, including the claims he makes about my past and current forum behaviour. None of my posts have ever been removed, I have never been warned and my posts are open for all to read on my profile as I have nothing to hide. If I cannot imagine Christ saying what I am going to say, I choose to not post it.

His claims do not concern me since this is common behaviour for him on this forum towards pretty much everyone on here. Only Christ's opinion of me matters anyway. His claims and assumptions really need no backing up IMO, since I rarely read them and most others who do read them already are aware he has little to no facts about those he makes all these claims about.

I have no doubt some parents also pray fervently for a child they discover is a homosexual. I have no doubt some parents go over scripture exhaustively for a homosexual child as well. Some of these parents may never take the path of acceptance or disowning the child. The relationship may remain in turmoil indefinitely. I have only known one or two homosexuals well enough to know what happened in their families and these folks were 25 to 35 years older than I, so the generational attitude was completely different. I have; however, read news stories that declared outcomes.

God bless you and yours.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2512 Mar 26, 2013
Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, are you so so so, gosh no words can describe so a lowly state of your mind. Now, you are suggesting that straights and gay actives should not be HIV?/AIDS tested. I say that anyone who is around gays should be tested once a month. Your gay history should tell you that, and since MSM is a factor in every AIDS case, it would be sound advise.
Actually, sorry, in m any states yes they can deny people a place to stay based on sexual orientation. You so often forget that sexual orientation is not a "suspect class". In Cali yes, but federally and in most states no. When they say "we reserve the right to refuse business", in those states that means gays, but not blacks, based on sex, religion or national origin.
Yup, you can speak out against religion, but you can not discriminate based on religion.
The EEOC, federal, will take cases based on race discrimination, but not sexual orientation or being fat and toothless.
Man, you really just love to read your own shiet, don't ya?

A public business CAN NOT refuse service based on race, gender or sexual orientation if those are part of a State's anti-discrimination policy!!!

By the way.....HIV/AIDS is not just found in the Gay and Lesbian community.....but in the straight community as well.....so, if one participates in high risk sexual behaviors......then they should be tested.......but obviously not all feel the need to get tested!!!

Actually, in states that don't include sexual orientation in their anti-discrimination policy.....yes, Gays and Lesbians can be discriminate against and are......that's probably why there are so many lawsuits.......and yes, if one's religious beliefs can be protected and be allowed to be grounds for discrimination, then if I owned a business.....I would have the right to deny a fundie my services if it went against my religious beliefs......but I would expect someone to scream bloody murder about being discriminated against......funny how that works!!!

By the way......you haven't been right about much you have posted......so, go ahead and make some more asinine comments....they are fun to laugh at!!!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2513 Mar 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? Because I don't agree with your opinion?
Your opinion lacks moral vicisitude.
For other obvious reasons......not agreeing with me is your right......and I have no issue with it, but then don't expect me to not respond with my own viewpoints.......my opinion does not lack any moral conviction.......oh and try using the English language to make your point.....thanks!!!
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#2514 Mar 26, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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For other obvious reasons......not agreeing with me is your right......and I have no issue with it, but then don't expect me to not respond with my own viewpoints.......my opinion does not lack any moral conviction.......oh and try using the English language to make your point.....thanks!!!
Sorry if I confused you with multisyllabic words.
I'll try and dumb it down to liberalspeak for you.

Obama and minions have brought us the Dumbocracy.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2515 Mar 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry if I confused you with multisyllabic words.
I'll try and dumb it down to liberalspeak for you.
Obama and minions have brought us the Dumbocracy.
And what does that have to do with Marriage Equality?

Frankly, why are you being nasty? I don't believe that I was nasty towards you.....but then maybe it is you that is having difficulty with understanding things and issues!!!

By the way.....regardless of what the President has done.....we still live in a Republic not a democracy!!!
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2516 Mar 26, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a fact Jeff, 90% of all HIV/AIDS cases belong to Heterosexuals, that's right straight people. You know people like you. Jeff do you know what discrimination is?
Check this out from the CDC-
"Gay and bisexual men — referred to in CDC surveillance systems as men who have sex with men (MSM)
— of all races continue to be the risk group most severely affected by HIV. CDC’s most recent data show that between 2006 and 2009, the number of new infections that occur each year increased among young MSM — driven by an alarming 48 percent increase among young, black MSM 13 to 29 years old. These data clearly show the urgent need to expand access to proven HIV prevention programs for gay and bisexual men, and to develop new approaches to fight HIV in this population.
A Snapshot
MSM account for nearly half of the 1.1 million people living with HIV in the United States (52%, or an estimated
592,100 total persons).
MSM account for more than half of all new HIV infections in the United States each year (61%, or an estimated 29,300
infections).
While CDC estimates that only 4 percent of men in the United States are MSM, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among
MSM in the United States is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522 – 989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per
100,000 other men)." http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/2012...

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