Jesus was a mythical figure, molded in the image of all the other myths

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Throughout history, in different parts of the world, their have been many mythical figures or legends, that were created to satisfy the human desire for a leader, that was said to be more powerfull then nature,human disease, great armies, famines or natural desasters..These men, were always born of a virgin, from ZEUS TO MYHTHRA TO Jesus and every follower at the time, believe the stories to be litterally true, but the problem is, that they all started out as myths, and over time, through intense repetition, pain and sorrow mostly at the hands of the proponents of these myths, the myths became accepted as fact..Today its Jesus or Mohammad or Joseth Smith and who knows, who it will be in the future, especially now, in the age where scientific evidence is shattering all these myths, about messiahs that can fly and rise from the dead, but choose to live in a place, where no one can see them to prove, if its true, instead one must choose to remain ignorant or stupid, because the only so called evidence is provided in a book of myths, that followers must believe out of fear and trembling, and therefore cannot be doubted, because it was written by a God, no one has ever proven to exist..WAKE UP..
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3:07 pm, Thursday, August 16, 2012:
RE: Jesus was a mythical figure, molded in the image of all the other myths
..... I think of Jesus as a Jewish (Essene sect) social reformer/experimenter who helped many people. In his day the churches were artificial "families" whose members were carefully selected for suitability to live in what these days are called "Intentional communities". Members of these churches, under the umbrella name "The Kingdom of God" had no money - they didn't need any - and therefore were called "The Poor" by outsiders.
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QUITTNER wrote:
3:07 pm, Thursday, August 16, 2012:
RE: Jesus was a mythical figure, molded in the image of all the other myths
..... I think of Jesus as a Jewish (Essene sect) social reformer/experimenter who helped many people. In his day the churches were artificial "families" whose members were carefully selected for suitability to live in what these days are called "Intentional communities". Members of these churches, under the umbrella name "The Kingdom of God" had no money - they didn't need any - and therefore were called "The Poor" by outsiders.
Your post is an interpretation a hope, that never actuallized, and the ones that did, ended, like all cults do, tragicly, like jones town..The churches of the past and present always end, via corruption, because those at top, are plagued with the old vices of power and greed, thus, they only appear holy on the surface, but under-neath are weighed down, with corruption..
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If Jesus did indeed exist, his message has never been actualized only relentlessly exploited and sermonized for financial gain and power, for those at the top, known as pastor, priest, monk, nuns and popes, this is true of every religion, otherwise known as cults..
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WATER wrote:
Throughout history, in different parts of the world, their have been many mythical figures or legends, that were created to satisfy the human desire for a leader, that was said to be more powerfull then nature,human disease, great armies, famines or natural desasters..These men, were always born of a virgin, from ZEUS TO MYHTHRA TO Jesus and every follower at the time, believe the stories to be litterally true, but the problem is, that they all started out as myths, and over time, through intense repetition, pain and sorrow mostly at the hands of the proponents of these myths, the myths became accepted as fact..Today its Jesus or Mohammad or Joseth Smith and who knows, who it will be in the future, especially now, in the age where scientific evidence is shattering all these myths, about messiahs that can fly and rise from the dead, but choose to live in a place, where no one can see them to prove, if its true, instead one must choose to remain ignorant or stupid, because the only so called evidence is provided in a book of myths, that followers must believe out of fear and trembling, and therefore cannot be doubted, because it was written by a God, no one has ever proven to exist..WAKE UP..
Hello WATER:

I was just in Tampa last week. Thinking about retirement in Lakeland in a few years.

RE: "Jesus was a mythical figure..."

Mythical? Are you kidding?

Firstly, the historicity contained within the pages of the Bible is valuable source of evidence for proof of the existence of Jesus Christ. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.

There is also an abundant amount of non-Biblical historical evidence for the existence of Christ as well. In A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed.

However, non-Biblical historical evidence for Jesus Christí still exists. Historians such as first-century Roman Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Mara Bar-Serapion all wrote about the man Jesus.

Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.

Mythical? Not possible. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate.
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zazenmind wrote:
If Jesus did indeed exist, his message has never been actualized only relentlessly exploited and sermonized for financial gain and power, for those at the top, known as pastor, priest, monk, nuns and popes, this is true of every religion, otherwise known as cults..
Oh my...(sigh)

People will make up anything.
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Hello WATER:
I was just in Tampa last week. Thinking about retirement in Lakeland in a few years.
RE: "Jesus was a mythical figure..."
Mythical? Are you kidding?
Firstly, the historicity contained within the pages of the Bible is valuable source of evidence for proof of the existence of Jesus Christ. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.
There is also an abundant amount of non-Biblical historical evidence for the existence of Christ as well. In A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed.
However, non-Biblical historical evidence for Jesus Christí still exists. Historians such as first-century Roman Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Mara Bar-Serapion all wrote about the man Jesus.
Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.
Mythical? Not possible. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate.
Their is only information, known as myth, no actual historical evidence has ever been proven, this is why, there is birth date, not burial and no Roman history to prove that such a man existed, although many were crusified, fighting against Roman colonialism..The Romans, no nothing of an actual living human being names Jesus, and neither did Paul..The christ, that Paul invented has no tendencies, only super-mythical powers, which is the same of all mythical figures throughout the history of every religion..The Roman who had their own myths and Gods, like ZUES, born of a virgin and many who worhipped the sun, simply exchanged one mythical figure for another, by decree..The Sun for the son, thus all the powers of the sun, were simply transferred to the son, which the Roman leaders didnt mine, because saw themselves as Gods themselves..IAM AWAKE..
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Oh my...(sigh)
People will make up anything.
Yes its true, of every religion, yours included..I have none, which is why, Iam free, because I have no one to follow and no one to fear and no one to bow to or no one to beg to or worship..Iam awake, free of all distortions or distraction or interpretations to re-inter-pret and relentlessly repeated out fear..
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Jesus is a god established christianity he has history he went to india to search the religion knowledge i love jesus
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1:42 pm, Friday, August 17, 2012:
RE: Jesus was perhaps a mythical figure, molded in the image of all the other myths
..... For what are modern versions of alternative communities see, for examples, and also the links:
http://www.ic.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_comm...
http://wiki.ic.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.meadowdance.org/basics.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/cult...
http://www.cohousing.org/directory
..... In biblical times things could be done and not done compared with 2012 and beyond. Check out what Jesus wanted, and probably did, with what is actually being done to live in alternative communities in 2012. Read also ACTS 2:44-47 and ACTS 4:32-37 which has been ignored by so-called "Christians" for centuries.
..... Some of them may be very successful - check them out!
..... Note that the "regular" belief systems very likely would fight all of these - they need their existing members' regular donations and may not be able to survive without it.
..... Success depends on the type of persons that are permitted/chosen to be members. Only "good" persons? No "rotten apples in the barrels"?
..... Jesus and the apostles in Jesus' time were traveling, looking for suitable persons who would want to, and should, apply for membership. They left the usual community, called "The world" as in worldly.
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Hello WATER:
I was just in Tampa last week. Thinking about retirement in Lakeland in a few years.
RE: "Jesus was a mythical figure..."
Mythical? Are you kidding?
Firstly, the historicity contained within the pages of the Bible is valuable source of evidence for proof of the existence of Jesus Christ. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.
There is also an abundant amount of non-Biblical historical evidence for the existence of Christ as well. In A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed.
However, non-Biblical historical evidence for Jesus Christí still exists. Historians such as first-century Roman Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Mara Bar-Serapion all wrote about the man Jesus.
Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.
Mythical? Not possible. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate.
And don't forget being the most Celebrated Being in the history of mankind.
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Hello WATER:
I was just in Tampa last week. Thinking about retirement in Lakeland in a few years.
RE: "Jesus was a mythical figure..."
Mythical? Are you kidding?
1. Firstly, the historicity contained within the pages of the Bible is valuable source of evidence for proof of the existence of Jesus Christ. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.

2. There is also an abundant amount of non-Biblical historical evidence for the existence of Christ as well. In A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed.

3. However, non-Biblical historical evidence for Jesus Christí still exists. Historians such as first-century Roman Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Mara Bar-Serapion all wrote about the man Jesus.

4.. Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.

5. Mythical? Not possible. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history.

The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate.
1. specious. Harry Potter mentions Harry several hundred, maybe thousand times, in several books...

The Bible, was never meant to prove Jesus. It was not compiled for that purpose and even if it was, it doesnt prove HE was a God.

2. Abundant? Hardly.

And to claim that proof-stuff was lost, is plain old stupid, and a childs sort of logic. The same could be said that the proof-stuff that disproves him was lost too. It goes both ways. You can NOT say what was lost, no one can...its not a means to wage a logical and coherent argument. You'd be laughed out of school for using that tactic in ANY subject.

3. They mention ONLY Christians who followed a man called the Christ. And Josephus has lost most of its credibility because its deemed to have been altered, re; the telling of the Christ passage.

4. Gnostic? Really? First, they're not accepted by TRUE Xtians, so they are useless...

Second if by their mention of Jesus/Christ alone - using your logic - they should be honored as legit sources of knowledge and the truth of him and his messages.

Yet they are deemed apocrypha, not legit, not considered genuine - so as such cant be deemed legit sources about Jesus/Christ.

Too bad. You cant use non-genuine texts as proof.

5. You use the terms abundant and overwhelming like a teen (mis)uses "LOL" and "OMG", or the general populace uses the term "I love it!" And apparently have no clue as to what they actually mean. There is neither truly abundant, nor truly overwhelming evidence. What there is, is the long decided decision, or ruling that a man possibly named Jesus existed and was possibly a 1st century apocalyptic preacher who pissed off the local Jewish leaders/politico's...

Than there's this classic - it doesn't get any more silly, contradictory and stupid than this...

"The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate."

You finally said one thing that might hold a few ounces of liquid.

However, There is a lot of evidence that contradicts any claim of his divinity.

"Assuredly" and declarative statements re; faith - should never be used in the same sentence.
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OKAY wrote:
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And don't forget being the most Celebrated Being in the history of mankind.
What about Elvis and Santa?

People still see Elvis too!
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Hello WATER:
I was just in Tampa last week. Thinking about retirement in Lakeland in a few years.
RE: "Jesus was a mythical figure..."
Mythical? Are you kidding?
Firstly, the historicity contained within the pages of the Bible is valuable source of evidence for proof of the existence of Jesus Christ. The New Testament contains hundreds of references to Jesus Christ.
There is also an abundant amount of non-Biblical historical evidence for the existence of Christ as well. In A.D. 70, the Romans invaded and destroyed Jerusalem and most of Israel, slaughtering its inhabitants. Entire cities were literally burned to the ground. We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed.
However, non-Biblical historical evidence for Jesus Christí still exists. Historians such as first-century Roman Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samosata, and Mara Bar-Serapion all wrote about the man Jesus.
Then we have all the Gnostic writings (The Gospel of Truth, The Apocryphon of John, The Gospel of Thomas, The Treatise on Resurrection, etc.) that all mention Jesus.
Mythical? Not possible. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ, both in secular and biblical history. The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate.
1. specious. Harry Potter mentions Harry several hundred, maybe thousand times, in several books...

The Bible, was never meant to prove Jesus. It was not compiled for that purpose and even if it was, it doesnt prove HE was a God.

2. Abundant? Hardly.

And to claim that proof-stuff was lost, is plain old stupid, and a childs sort of logic. The same could be said that the proof-stuff that disproves him was lost too. It goes both ways. You can NOT say what was lost, no one can...its not a means to wage a logical and coherent argument. You'd be laughed out of school for using that tactic in ANY subject.

3. They mention ONLY Christians who followed a man called the Christ. And Josephus has lost most of its credibility because its deemed to have been altered, re; the telling of the Christ passage.

4. Gnostic? Really? First, they're not accepted by TRUE Xtians, so they are useless...

Second if by their mention of Jesus/Christ alone - using your logic - they should be honored as legit sources of knowledge and the truth of him and his messages.

Yet they are deemed apocrypha, not legit, not considered genuine - so as such cant be deemed legit sources about Jesus/Christ.

Too bad. You cant use non-genuine texts as proof.

5. You use the terms abundant and overwhelming like a teen (mis)uses "LOL" and "OMG", or the general populace uses the term "I love it!" And apparently have no clue as to what they actually mean. There is neither truly abundant, nor truly overwhelming evidence. What there is, is the long decided decision, or ruling that a man possibly named Jesus existed and was possibly a 1st century apocalyptic preacher who pissed off the local Jewish leaders/politico's...

Than there's this classic - it doesn't get any more silly, contradictory and stupid than this...

"The only question one might have is that of His deity. Assuredly, Jesus is God incarnate."

You finally said one thing that might hold a few ounces of liquid.

However, There is a lot of evidence that contradicts any claim of his divinity.

"Assuredly" and declarative statements re; faith - should never be used in the same sentence.
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Amen!

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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Oh my...(sigh)
People will make up anything.
Including all religions

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I answer to Him, right now, for what I say.

If you don't see "evidence", this can be because His kingdom is not of this world.

But there is evidence in us.

But, even so, many people who do not know Him are saying He is God or not God. This is because in this world people try to use things and people and God in order to get power for themselves.

But Jesus is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:29) So, He is not about getting fame and money for people, but He cares about how we are.
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ANCIENT EVIDENCE FOR JESUS FROM NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES:
http://bible.org/article/ancient-evidence-jes...
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If that's not good enough for you think about Muhammed and the Quran.

In the 5th century AD Muhammed tried to discourage Christians by inventing Allah and the Quran but instead of trying to say Jesus didn't exist he said He was just a prophet who performed miracles.

WAKE UP!
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VIDEO - ARCHAEOLOGY VERIFIES THE NEW TESTAMENT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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