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should gays be allowed to adopt children??

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The Ministe of Truth

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Dec 3, 2011
The argument most often given is that with so many children in need of adoption, why not. Well, the reality is this, gays are not adopting children with cancer, children with deformities, orphan children in India, so stop the lie.

So, if you think they should be able to adopt, then what about NAWGLA and NAMBLA members? You know, the gay pedophiles. Bare in mind, when the FBI investigated them they found no crimes.

But, they forgot to look within the IGLA. If so, they would have found James Rennie.

James was 38, gay male in gay adult relationship, executive for LGBT, and sex adviser for gay adoption, well, he was convicted for raping a 3 month old baby boy. The arrests included his gay partner and 7 others, as part of their 70 gay pedophile ring.

The largest pedophile ring ever discovered, was a 70,000 member gay pedophile ring, while gays are only 1-2% of the population.

If all you have is emotional disagreement, you are innately and genetically dismissed.

-The Doctor

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Since: Nov 11

W Hollywood, CA Spy

#3 Dec 3, 2011
I don't know, I think this is like Pakistanis adopting little Jewish kids or KKK member adopting little black kids. It just does not pass the smell taste.
sdvslogic

United States

#4 Dec 3, 2011
You realize that straight people are also pedophiles right? A persons sexual orientation does not define their character. If one is a pedophile, it is a much deeper issue than what sex they are attracted to. The majority of gay people actually have a very caring, nurturing nature about them and do a great job raising children. You are obviously very ignorant on the topic.

Since: Aug 08

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#6 Dec 3, 2011
sdvslogic wrote:
You realize that straight people are also pedophiles right? A persons sexual orientation does not define their character. If one is a pedophile, it is a much deeper issue than what sex they are attracted to. The majority of gay people actually have a very caring, nurturing nature about them and do a great job raising children. You are obviously very ignorant on the topic.
But um, this thread is not talkin about straight people adopting children. Lust has no gender specifics, and all homosexuals are lust filled perverts. Call this hate speech or whatever but in the list of sexual perversion homosexuality is there.

Since: Aug 08

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#7 Dec 3, 2011
Should homosexuals a.k.a perverts b.k.a in the Bible as Sodomites be allowed to adopt children? For what? So that child can become corrupt as them? Absolutely and positively not! The Bible says to train up a child in the way that he should go...Proverbs 22:6. What way is that? The righteous way, God's way...and you have to follow God's way in order to do this. Homosexuality is not God's way.
sdvslogic

Phoenix, AZ

#9 Dec 3, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I suggest that you get informed. We are not talkng about straights who adopt or straights who are pedophiles, we are talking about gay pedophiles who adopt.
Do you think that NAMBLA and NAWGLA members should be able to adopt? The FBI has never been able to find any criminal offenses against them.
70,000 gay pedophile ring, largest ever. Hmmm, none are straight pedophiles.
Paraphilia classification differs with your opinion, since homosexuality and pedophlia shared the same classification and almost same DSM code.
You have no clue about the majority of gays, I live in LA and I know many gays and they themselves declare gay communities dyfunctional.
James Rennie was the executive of LGBT and sex adviser for gay adoption, so he set the standard and he raped a 3 month old baby boy and he peddled children.
Why demonize pedophiles, when for 21 plus years the IGLA was openly NAMBLA, and today they are secretly NAMBLA? If you don't know about the IGLA and NAMBLA association, you are simply peddling gay lies and hog wash.
Some times the bad guy is the one calling every one else a bad guy, and in this case it is the LGBT.
You have been ministered truth.
Well if we are talking about gay pedophiles who adopt then I suggest you change the your topic title, since not all gays are pedophiles. If that is the real question, then no, pedophiles in general should never be allowed to adopt. The unfortunate thing about that is a large number of them have never been caught and they come off as upstanding citizens... and guess what, they range from gays to straights, so again, you cannot judge a persons character on their sexual orientation. Take a look at Catholic priests and the statistics involving child molestation... maybe Catholics shouldn't be allowed to adopt either huh? I do know about NAMBLA, and I find it as repulsive as you, but you are generalizing and outcasting an entire community of good people based on the wrong doings of this group. Stop focusing on the one thing you have to clench onto for an argument and open your eyes to the bigger picture. Gays will always be around and eventually they will have all the same rights as everyone else. Historically our society has only evolved and become more and more open minded, it will continue to do so whether or not you like it... so you can either further educate yourself about your community and learn to live with it, or you can keep being pissed off for no reason which is a completely lost cause that will never get you anywhere... your call
sdvslogic

Phoenix, AZ

#10 Dec 3, 2011
ms_tickled wrote:
<quoted text>But um, this thread is not talkin about straight people adopting children. Lust has no gender specifics, and all homosexuals are lust filled perverts. Call this hate speech or whatever but in the list of sexual perversion homosexuality is there.
I am so over debating with people like you... attempt for one second to come up with a valid argument against gays WITHOUT using the bible, and then you may talk to me

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#12 Dec 3, 2011
Wow, what idiots... I don't even know where to start...

To bring up Nazis when talking about gay acceptance... Wow, just wow. U do realize the Nazis sent gay people to the gas chambers, right?

As for Rome,yes, it accepted homosexuality and is considered to have been one of the greatest empires ever, lasting for centuries. However Christianity, along with its antigay views, took over and in less than a hundred years Rome fell.

So only gay pedophiles matter to you? It was pointed out heterosexuals do the most molestation but that doesn't phase u. What's classic is ur using the circular logic if a man molest a boy he must be gay. Have u been watching the news lately? Those two coaches, are they married to men or women? I am assuming the fact most men who molest boys identify as heterosexuals because they're attracted to adult women and not adult men doesn't phase u either.

Btw, it must really irk u to see everyone else around u quickly switching sides to support gay rights. Did u ever stop to think its simply because every time u open ur mouth and babble such BS as u have done here they look at u and realize what's wrong with ur take on morality.

And oh yeah, NO ONE is buying God has anything to do with ur true hatred of homosexuals.
sdvslogic

United States

#13 Dec 3, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe, you should debate with ms_tickled, she has you way out classed and you are no match here. SO, you say that society has historically become more open-minded, that is a lie. We have yet to reach the level of gay acceptance in ancient Rome and Nazi, Germany and we saw what eventually happened in Nazi, Germany.
No, I am talking about gays that adopt, since that is the problem and you can't distinguish the two.
Who better than James Rennie, the LGBT sex adviser for gay adoption, but he led a gay pedophile ring.
You have no clue: you mentioned the Catholic church, well it was not a church problem, but a homosexual problem. Maybe, you should deal with your hate, with gays, it usually starts with parents and ends in suicide. Only 30% of the Catholic priests were homosexual, but they acocunted for 95% of the abuse cases.
You do not have a clue about NAMBLA, because the IGLA is NAMBLA without the title which the International federation forced the IGLA to disavow due to losing funding from the U.N., and from 1973 to 1994 NAMBLA was a part of the IGLA, but in 1994 there was no decrease in membership.
No, the same rules apply to both pedophiles and homosexuals. You have no reason to dictate otherwise, since the FBI found no criminal activities within NAMBLA. We however, have social evidence which is applied equally to both groups. Do a roll call over the past 35 years and the names remain the same. The Catholic homosexual priests set up gay recruit centers in San Francisco, for runaway boys, why, not for the church, but for IGLA-NAMBLA. Harry Hay, Allen Ginsberg, and David Thorstad.
In 1993, the International Lesbian and Gay Association achieved United Nations consultative status. NAMBLA's membership in ILGA drew heavy criticism and caused the suspension of ILGA. Many gay organizations called for the ILGA to dissolve ties with NAMBLA. Republican Senator Jesse Helms proposed a bill to withhold $119 million in U.N. contributions until U.S. President Bill Clinton could certify that "no UN agency grants any official status, accreditation, or recognition to any organization which promotes, condones, or seeks the legalization of pedophilia, that is, the sexual abuse of children". The bill was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by Clinton in April 1994.
The public disassociation by IGLA with NAMBLA was forced.
First of all, the fact that ms_tickled's entire argument is filled with insults and some hate filled bible crap and you think she has more class than me is HILARIOUS! Says a lot about your character too, good job!
Do you honestly believe that society as a whole has not become more open minded over time? If this were true we would still be stuck in the days of slavery, zero rights for women, interracial marriage would still be illegal... should I keep going? Cause I can...
Now, you need to get your topics in order... are you arguing that gays should not adopt, or that pedophiles should not adopt? They are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things. I can very easily distinguish between the two, but apparently you are having a hard time with it.
As far as the Catholic Church goes, this was just one example of many to show that straight, religious people have also been known to be pedophiles. It is not a gay issue, it is a pedophile issue. Most of the men who commit these outrageous crimes are married to women and lead a normal life. Using your logic, no one should adopt children because there might be a chance that some of them are pedophiles. You are paranoid buddy...
As for NAMBLA, I don't need to see your statistics and quotes, you have a very odd obsession with this group, almost as if they got a hold of you when you were young or something. In any case, using a group of pedophiles as a basis for your argument against gays adopting children is completely ridiculous and irrelevant.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#16 Dec 4, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
The argument most often given is that with so many children in need of adoption, why not. Well, the reality is this, gays are not adopting children with cancer, children with deformities, orphan children in India, so stop the lie.
So, if you think they should be able to adopt, then what about NAWGLA and NAMBLA members? You know, the gay pedophiles. Bare in mind, when the FBI investigated them they found no crimes.
But, they forgot to look within the IGLA. If so, they would have found James Rennie.
James was 38, gay male in gay adult relationship, executive for LGBT, and sex adviser for gay adoption, well, he was convicted for raping a 3 month old baby boy. The arrests included his gay partner and 7 others, as part of their 70 gay pedophile ring.
The largest pedophile ring ever discovered, was a 70,000 member gay pedophile ring, while gays are only 1-2% of the population.
If all you have is emotional disagreement, you are innately and genetically dismissed.
Here ya go..

A fundamentalist Christian couple who killed their 7-year-old adopted daughter while practicing a violent form of discipline.

They reportedly beat their nine children regularly because they thought God wanted them to. Both parents were jailed after pleading guilty to the crime and the surviving children are now in foster homes.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#17 Dec 4, 2011
ms_tickled wrote:
Should homosexuals a.k.a perverts b.k.a in the Bible as Sodomites be allowed to adopt children? For what? So that child can become corrupt as them? Absolutely and positively not! The Bible says to train up a child in the way that he should go...Proverbs 22:6. What way is that? The righteous way, God's way...and you have to follow God's way in order to do this. Homosexuality is not God's way.
This makes me think of people like you.

An outspoken anti homosexual foul mouthed priest (a lot like you) was found dead of “accidental mechanical asphyxia” hogtied and wearing two complete wet suits, including a face mask, diving gloves and slippers, rubberized underwear, and a head mask, with a dildo rapped in yellow condom rammed up his arse.

What kind of sexual deviant are you? ya don't need to say most already know it is something,it just the way things are.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#19 Dec 4, 2011
ms_tickled wrote:
Should homosexuals a.k.a perverts b.k.a in the Bible as Sodomites be allowed to adopt children? For what? So that child can become corrupt as them? Absolutely and positively not! The Bible says to train up a child in the way that he should go...Proverbs 22:6. What way is that? The righteous way, God's way...and you have to follow God's way in order to do this. Homosexuality is not God's way.
But it's okay fine for you to give your young daughter away to be raped to keep homosexual from engaging in homosexual sex.

Lot's daughters were given away to be raped.How is that not perverted sex?

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#20 Dec 4, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
<quoted text>It must have been Matthew Shepard who did, and those two boys must have been the surviving children. Matthews was a homosexual sexual deviant, and you?
WOW your one sick dude.

Matthew was a homosexual.Was being the key word here.He was tortured and murdered near Laramie, Wyoming by a couple of Christians deviant.

Me, I'm married to my high school sweet heart going on 27 years.We have two great kids. That's another thing atheist get divorced far less then Christians do.Any church that would marry a person that been divorced is causing both to live in the sin of adultery. Hmmm, another Christian all to common sexual deviant.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#21 Dec 4, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
The argument most often given is that with so many children in need of adoption, why not. Well, the reality is this, gays are not adopting children with cancer, children with deformities, orphan children in India, so stop the lie.
So, if you think they should be able to adopt, then what about NAWGLA and NAMBLA members? You know, the gay pedophiles. Bare in mind, when the FBI investigated them they found no crimes.
But, they forgot to look within the IGLA. If so, they would have found James Rennie.
James was 38, gay male in gay adult relationship, executive for LGBT, and sex adviser for gay adoption, well, he was convicted for raping a 3 month old baby boy. The arrests included his gay partner and 7 others, as part of their 70 gay pedophile ring.
The largest pedophile ring ever discovered, was a 70,000 member gay pedophile ring, while gays are only 1-2% of the population.
If all you have is emotional disagreement, you are innately and genetically dismissed.
OMG! the largest sexual abusers are HETERO!!!! Hetero men, who rape and abuse children and adults all day and night all the time! Hetero men who travel to distant lands and rape little children. Hetero men who smuggle girls into the US to be used as sex slaves. Hetero men who hire prostitutes than go home to their wives and children, perhaps with an STD.

Unchecked Hetero males have done more harm and will continue to do more harm to children, and adults than any "organized" group of Homosexuals can ever do.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#22 Dec 4, 2011
-The Minister of Truth- wrote:
<quoted text>Imovement" constitute an "unmistakable" attack on "the family unit."
Psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.…"

Abel also found that non-incarcerated "child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males."
"The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering," said Reismanls.
These two quotes are priceless...priceless...and show an immense lack of context, and worse actual comprehension on the OP's part.

You know whats staggering? The numbers of girls, and women who were molested, sexually assaulted by Hetero men, and were never reported for any of a dozen good reasons. Such numbers have been piling up for centuries and is staggeringly greater number than the reverse.

Homophobes like you prefer to distract from the larger sinners because you number yourself as one. Look at the Queers! Not us Hetero's who sexualize the younger and too often prey upon every female we glance at.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#24 Dec 4, 2011
U gotta be amused at these people who think the pedophiles in the news are homosexuals... Um, hate to burst ur bubble but they are NOT attracted to adult men and are attracted to adult women.

Look, we get u. It's already been proven by the university of Florida homophobes are the least educated around but don't blame the rest of the world when we are able to figure out what the difference is in being sexually aroused by an adult versus a ten year old kid.

One thing, do u guys not realize every time u open ur mouth another person becomes in favor of gay rights? U guys say the most idiotic crap but fortunately most people have a higher education level then u do and realize, for example, there is actually a HUGE difference with an adult versus ur mom, the neighbors dog and/or a ten year old boy.

One last thing, when ur able to spout out facts about nambla no gay man knows u not only are exposing urself to be a closet case but exposing your pedophilia obsession. Maybe u should look up some theories of Freud before u start opening ur mouth to let us know what ur thinking.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#25 Dec 4, 2011
Btw does anyone see the irony of a grown homophobic man preaching against pedophilia who is parading around as a teenage girl???

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Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#27 Dec 4, 2011
McMike wrote:
Btw does anyone see the irony of a grown homophobic man preaching against pedophilia who is parading around as a teenage girl???
Ya mean the idiot who posted in here under several different sock accounts?
sandstorm

Dallas, TX

#33 Dec 4, 2011
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>OMG! the largest sexual abusers are HETERO!!!!
you failed to mention the Dad who locked in daughter in the basement and fathered her children. Yuck.

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#36 Dec 4, 2011
Well, I have understood that pedophilia involves sexual preference only for children. And homosexual basically means preference for other adults of the same sex.

If anyone violates a child, this is not sexual preference, but predation. This is betraying of trust; so it is a hate crime.

Of course, someone with a preference for children may use a spouse as a cover-up and a means to have children; so such a pedophile is not heterosexual with preference for an adult, because that marriage is only a cover. And if he or she violates the children, this is betraying of trust, therefore a crime of hatred by betraying trust; so it is not just pedophile preference, but predation.

So, pedophile predation is not just a problem of not knowing what to do with your genitals. It is not misguided love and affection, if there is betraying of trust. Betraying of trust is perversion from love, not just perversion from sex.

So, if seminary screeners could not see they were bringing in men capable of hatred against young boys, to me this means they couldn't tell the difference between someone of God's love, versus a person of such deep and cruel hatred. And, then, I would say it is a major problem, if religious leaders do not have the ability and/or character to appoint safe seminary screeners who can tell the difference. So, the homosexuals are not their real problem, but having incompetent and impotent leaders makes them able to bring in even predators without being able to know they are doing so. So, then, why so much attention to the gays, when there needs to be effective dealing with leaders who are so dangerously incapable of evaluating screeners and seminary applicants? I have read nothing about this danger being dealt with. People who appointed such sickly evil people are still in church leadership, to my knowledge.

So, it's not only the "gays" who have a problem. Well, the truly gay are only oriented to other same-sex adults. If they are violating children, this is not sexual, but predatory, as I have offered. Being capable of such hatred is more than a sexual matter.

Betraying trust is hate, not an act of love. So, sexual predators are not the only ones who have a problem. There are heterosexual couples, to my knowledge, who betray the trust of their companions; this perverts people from love, not just from sex.

So ... God bless you to do better.

We can do better. To answer your question, I would say a nonpredatory pedophile needs to be with other people while with children, so the person possibly can learn how to relate in a family and other social situation. And do not trust the person alone, in an adoption. And get the drift, that desiring to use a child is desiring to betray trust; so this is hate in the heart, if there is such desire. We are trusted not to be this way about children. And God can change a person's heart.

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