A new pope: headlines are simple; the...

A new pope: headlines are simple; the truth is complex

There are 7 comments on the ekklesia.co.uk story from Mar 16, 2013, titled A new pope: headlines are simple; the truth is complex. In it, ekklesia.co.uk reports that:

Just before Pope Francis emerged on the balcony of St Peter's Basilica as the new head of the world's 1.2 billion Roman Catholics on 13 March 2013, there was a telling event.

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“the end-times is now”

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#1 Mar 17, 2013
Jesuit among Jesuits ??.. pope francis 2013

http://www.thenazareneway.com/society_of_jesu...

Q: From where do you come?
A: From the bends of the Jordan, from Calvary, from the Holy Sepulchre, and lastly from Rome.

Q: Whom do you serve?
A: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q: Who commands you?
A: The successor of St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q: Who received you?
A: A venerable man with white hair.

Q: How?
A: With a naked dagger, I kneeling on a cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred Order.

Q: Did you take an oath?
A: I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex or condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring.

Q: Will you do that?
A: I will.

Q: How do you travel?
A: In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q: Whither do you travel?
A: To the four quarters of the globe.

Q: For what purpose?
A: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oath.

Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Viceregent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#3 Mar 17, 2013
"The Hon. Thomas S. Butler, the Republican nominee for Congress, was born and reared in the Society of Friends, and is proud of his Quaker ancestry. His opponent, Eugene C. Bonniwell, is a Roman Catholic." ...

While I never saw or heard of it until I read the paragraph of your objection, I admit the truthfulness of it with pleasure so far as it relates to me. I did not in any manner inspire it. Since your notice served on me, Mr. Eyre informs me that he had not seen or heard of the article of which you complain, although it appeared in his own newspaper. I have no knowledge of “any man, set of men, political organization, or its representative, employing or procuring messengers to traverse this congressional district and to circulate on my account or on any account the publication which you characterize as a blasphemous and infamous libel, known as Knights of Columbus oath.” That this paper was circulated through this congressional district during this campaign I both admit and regret. I deny that I had anything whatever to do, directly or indirectly, with either its publication or its circulation. It came into this district though the mails, I am informed, and as fast as it appeared those who took my advice destroyed it. I am advised by those who know, that the same article was circulated and distributed in other parts of Pennsylvania than this congressional district during the last campaign, and I am further informed that this same article has been circulated not only in Pennsylvania, but in other States during political campaigns for many years. I had no knowledge whatever of it until it appeared here during the last campaign, and from a source I know nothing about. Two or three of my political advocates showed me copies of this paper, which they had received through the mails. I requested them to ascertain where other copies of it had been received and to have all of them destroyed. I apprehended with alarm the use of such a document in a political campaign, or at any other time.

I do not believe in its truthfulness, and so stated my judgment concerning it on November 4, 1912 (as soon as complaint was made to me of its general circulation), through the columns of the West Chester Daily Local News ....

So what we have is a document anonymously circulated during a heated election campaign. Both sides disavowed its authenticity. It was included in a House Report summarizing an investigation of that election, because it was attached to a document submitted by one of the candidates. The Report was reprinted in the Congressional Record.

All in all, no sane person could conclude that this constitutes any sort of "authentication" of this document by Congress.

Anyone who is interested in checking behind my research can read all about it – any law school library will have a copy. The citation is H.R. Rep. No. 62-1523 (1913), reprinted in the Congressional Record for February 15, 1913, at pp. 3215-3220.

I think that this, without a doubt shows that neither Oath is credible, and allow me to point out that even Congress believes this to be so, because in the Congressional Record, the Committee on Elections states the following:

This committee cannot condemn too strongly the publication of the false and libelous article referred to in the paper of Mr. Bonniwell, and which was the spurious Knights of Columbus oath, a copy of which is appended to the paper.(H.R. Rep. No. 62-1523 (1913), reprinted in the Congressional Record for February 15, 1913, at p. 3221)

All of which leaves me with only one last thing to say:

You shall not utter a false report.(Exodus 23:1 [RSV]) http://www.victorclaveau.com/htm_html/Anti-Ca...

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#4 Mar 17, 2013
His-truth wrote:
Jesuit among Jesuits ??.. pope francis 2013
http://www.thenazareneway.com/society_of_jesu...
Q: From where do you come?
A: From the bends of the Jordan, from Calvary, from the Holy Sepulchre, and lastly from Rome.
Q: Whom do you serve?
A: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.
Q: Who commands you?
A: The successor of St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.
Q: Who received you?
A: A venerable man with white hair.
Q: How?
A: With a naked dagger, I kneeling on a cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred Order.
Q: Did you take an oath?
A: I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex or condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring.
Q: Will you do that?
A: I will.
Q: How do you travel?
A: In the bark of Peter the fisherman.
Q: Whither do you travel?
A: To the four quarters of the globe.
Q: For what purpose?
A: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oath.
Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Viceregent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.
You ever so eagerly look something up, find it revealing, and post it as 'truth', when, in fact, it is false.
And, look how just as eagerly, some nut agreed with you, without first verifying what you posted.
You posted 'hearsay', something that is false, made up, lie.........
as truth.

My goodness, you are a part of a sad lot ever so willing to tear down a new Pope who has barely had time to take office.
Cisco Kid

Sonora, CA

#5 Mar 17, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>You ever so eagerly look something up, find it revealing, and post it as 'truth', when, in fact, it is false.
And, look how just as eagerly, some nut agreed with you, without first verifying what you posted.
You posted 'hearsay', something that is false, made up, lie.........
as truth.

My goodness, you are a part of a sad lot ever so willing to tear down a new Pope who has barely had time to take office.
As Jesus told us,'don't be surprised if they hate you, they hated me before you.'

Pope Francis is 'The Real Deal'.
Thanks to God's holy Spirit, we are blest.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#6 Mar 17, 2013
4 things every person needs to understand:

1) We are all sinners and our sin separates us from a Holy God (Romans 3:23, Isaiah 59:2, Romans 3:10, Romans 5:12, Isaiah 64:6)
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" -Rom 3:23
"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." -Isa 59:2

2) Sin has consequences, i.e.-Death and Hell (Romans 6:23, Revelation 20:11-15)
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -Rom 6:23
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." -Rev 20:15

3) God provided a way for us through Christ Jesus (Romans 5:8, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Timothy 1:15)
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." -Rom 5:8
"For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him." -2 Corinthians 5:21

4) Salvation is through FAITH in Jesus Christ alone (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, John 3:15-18)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." -Rom 10:9

And then the final result:
Romans 5:1- Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Question: "How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?"

Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/know-sure-Heaven....

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#7 Mar 17, 2013
Thank you "His-truth" for your post. Very interesting stuff, we are definitely living in interesting times.

“the end-times is now”

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#11 Mar 17, 2013
I hope you don't mind if I haul you over to craigslist ... your message deserves to be heard .. https://forums.craigslist.org/... .. but don't waste time here

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