Exactly, I have a problem with modern day Israel, I believe that its an abomination perpetuated by men, not the biblical restoration spoken of in scripture, no different than how xtians and muslims have taken it upon themselves to intentionally fulfill prophecies. Thats what I've been telling you all along.<quoted text>
Honestly Frank you're splitting hairs here. You can act like Mohammed didnt get a prophecy correct (if he actually said what you said he did) just because men ACTIVELY pursued what he said, but then the same could be said about Moses right? Do you ask yourself that question? "The direct work of G-d or the work of men?" I doubt it because you just told me Moses was a true prophet. So I'll bring up this again:
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Mohammed made a prophecy that came to pass. So what? He (at least I think he did) led to other gods that my forefathers never knew. Therefore I account him as a false prophet though I know they are major similarities between the God of Abraham and whoever Mohammed was worshiping. The differences though I cannot ignore. But as I said, if you have a problem with men ACTIVELY fulfilling what Mohammed said, then you should have a problem with Israel ACTIVELY fulfilling what Moses said right? Thats being fair without bias right?
As for muslims, most "jewish" "rabbis"--though they tend to dislike or hate muslims and disbelieve in the Quraan--consider them to be monotheists and worshippers of the same G-d, believe it or not, while many consider xtianity to be idolatery, avodah zarah.
But anyways, I think that this is an interesting topic.
If I read something in the Tanakh and me and a group of guys make it happen, is it the actual fulfillment of prophecy or us simply using scripture as a guide and making it a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy? Very interesting.
So basically what you're saying is that, yes, me and a group of guys making things written in the bible happen is the fulfillment of divine prophecy, whereas a group of practictioners of another religion doing the very same thing isn't the fulfillment of divine prophecy.