Science vs. Religion

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Since: Jun 07

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#1823 Sep 26, 2013
FisherOfMen4Christ wrote:
<quoted text> This is a common misconception about Bible verses age of the earth. In fact the Bible does not dispute that the earth is millions of years old. The Bible refers to the original earth as the dateless past. In the creation account of Genesis it says the earth was void and without form this was before God begin creating. When science reveals that the earth is millions of years old it only backs up what the Bible says
Stop lying...

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Bible myth clearly says days of 24 hours.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1824 Sep 26, 2013
lol wrote:
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We are a special creation of God. You geeky little know-it-all pseudo-scientists have no proof of any other life than right here on earth. You make me LOL.
CURRENTLY we have no evidence of life on other planets...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1825 Sep 26, 2013
FisherOfMen4Christ wrote:
<quoted text> 25,000 Archaeological discoveries, Among them, The Dead Sea Scrolls which stand as THE greatest manuscript discovery of ALL times! Thus confirming the reliability of The Old Testament texts which contains vivid prophecies of the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. All 48 major prophecies came true in this one man! Professor Peter Stoner, in cooperation with the American Scientific Affiliation, Goshen College,Indiana, conducted a mathematical analysis based upon the principles of probability which are thoroughly sound. Stoner using only 8 of the 48 major prophecies for the analysis in order to eliminate coincidence by the science of probability. Stoner concluded, " We find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in10 to the 17th power. That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. Yet all the prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus Christ! I would like to add a thought reveald to me tonight. " It is a sad assumption for men who decide their faith based on a one sided idea, having not examined all of the sides,top,bottom and most importantly to examine it front to back, cover to cover."
Yes, Jesus managed to hit a couple of the trivial prophecies. He was born of a woman, he was of the tribe of Judah.

More importantly, he FAILED in all of the important prophecies. Israel was still occupied by a foreign invader after he died. There has been no world peace, the lost tribes of Israel are still lost. There is no Temple.

In general, xians have had to make up "prophecies" so they could try and pretend that Jesus "fulfilled" them. For example, there is NO prophecy of a virgin birth. That is based on a false translation of Isaiah and requires a DELIBERATE willingness to IGNORE the context of the verse.
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Welch, WV

#1826 Sep 26, 2013
FisherOfMen4Christ wrote:
<quoted text> No actually He and I agree. I didnt mean to imply that i believe the Earth is that old. I simply meant it doesnt matter and makes no difference if some say its millions of years old. The Bible our God gabe us accounts for a time frme after He created the Earth you and I. That being said it doesnt matter what datr anyone says The Bible simply declares it is the dateless past .And in light of the fact that no exact date has been proven this only attests to the truth of Gods Word.An exact date will never be determined. Gods Word says it is dateless. It is apparant to me while writimg this that God knew man would debate over the date. lol And stop being so mean we love you.!
The Caped Crusader believes the earth is 4.5 billion years old. You are dealing with an atheist, or an agnostic. Not much different.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with the earth being billions of years old. None at all. Has nothing to do with salvation.
lol

Welch, WV

#1827 Sep 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Reasonable, since that is indeed what prophecy says will happen.
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No such prophecy exists anywhere in the Bible.
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gross conceptual error. No man can atone for the sins of another. However, once the Messiah comes,he will teach a perfect understanding of the Torah so that no man will sin.
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The Jews did not crucify people. Jesus was executed for his crimes by the ROMANS, not his own people.
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Nope, I have been enlightened by actually reading the Bible to see what it has to say, rather than pretending that it says what I want it to say.
Then you have only read what you want to read. You, nor anyone, can keep the Law and God knows this. THAT is why the Messiah has already come.

And yes, the prophecy of the Messiah is all over the Old Testament. From Genesis 3:15 on.
lol

Welch, WV

#1828 Sep 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Yes, it is old news. The case was settled a century and a half ago, once Darwin published. Since that time, there has been NO evidence contrary to evolution. Rather ALL of the evidence found to date supports the theory of evolution.
Wrong. MUCH evidence has been proven to the contrary of evolution. You don't even know how life began, ABIOGENESIS, but what makes you think you know how life evolved? And don't say it doesn't matter because it does.
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Welch, WV

#1829 Sep 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
If truth is the criteria, then ID would never be allowed anywhere NEAR a school.
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No. if TRUTH was the criteria evolution would never be allowed in any classroom except the mythology department.
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Welch, WV

#1830 Sep 26, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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CURRENTLY we have no evidence of life on other planets...
And you never will have it.

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Since: Sep 10

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#1831 Sep 27, 2013
lol wrote:
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The Caped Crusader believes the earth is 4.5 billion years old. You are dealing with an atheist, or an agnostic. Not much different.
BTW, there is nothing wrong with the earth being billions of years old. None at all. Has nothing to do with salvation.
For once we agree on something.

There is nothing wrong with the Earth being 4.5 billion years old... unless you bring the bible into it that clearly states a timeline of a few thousand.

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Since: Sep 10

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#1832 Sep 27, 2013
lol wrote:
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Then you have only read what you want to read. You, nor anyone, can keep the Law and God knows this. THAT is why the Messiah has already come.
And yes, the prophecy of the Messiah is all over the Old Testament. From Genesis 3:15 on.
And slavery, incest, rape, infanticide, torture, and bigamy.

Not to mention talking vegetation, snakes and donkeys.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1833 Sep 27, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Reasonable, since that is indeed what prophecy says will happen.
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No such prophecy exists anywhere in the Bible.
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gross conceptual error. No man can atone for the sins of another. However, once the Messiah comes,he will teach a perfect understanding of the Torah so that no man will sin.
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The Jews did not crucify people. Jesus was executed for his crimes by the ROMANS, not his own people.
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Nope, I have been enlightened by actually reading the Bible to see what it has to say, rather than pretending that it says what I want it to say.
It sounds like you have a good understanding of the bible, Liam. You're also doing exactly what the Lord and his word requires. "Seek ye out of the book of the Lord, and read; no one of these shall fail..." Isaiah 34:16. When the Messiah comes, the book will be unsealed and the "deaf" will hear and understand its words. Prophecy is hidden until it is fulfilled.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1834 Sep 27, 2013
lol wrote:
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Then you have only read what you want to read. You, nor anyone, can keep the Law and God knows this. THAT is why the Messiah has already come.
And yes, the prophecy of the Messiah is all over the Old Testament. From Genesis 3:15 on.
Gee, too bad the Bible says that you are a liar...

Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The idea that no one can keep the Law is simply a lie invented to make xianity seem vital.

And as far as Messianic prophecy goes, yes there are many of them, but Jesus failed to fulfill the most important ones, and that is what matters.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1835 Sep 27, 2013
lol wrote:
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Wrong. MUCH evidence has been proven to the contrary of evolution. You don't even know how life began, ABIOGENESIS, but what makes you think you know how life evolved? And don't say it doesn't matter because it does.
Not wrong in the least. If there were ANY evidence against evolution, it would be tossed out of science. Excuse me, I should specify valid scientific evidence - opium dreams or ancient myths are irrelevant.

And no, it does not matter, no matter how much you want to stamp your little feet over it, evolution deals ONLY with existing life, it does not care about abiogenesis. That is a seprate branch of biology.

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1836 Sep 27, 2013
lol wrote:
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And you never will have it.
Really? Your myths tell you that, or is that your own little fantasy?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#1837 Sep 27, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And as far as Messianic prophecy goes, yes there are many of them, but Jesus failed to fulfill the most important ones, and that is what matters.
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Yeah right, after the Anointed One spoken of in Daniel Chapter 9 was cutoff (killed), Jerusalem was made desolate, the sacrifices and burnt offerings ceased due to the Temple being torn down (70 a.d.) and the covenant in Jeremiah 31:33-34 was confirmed and fulfilled (Hebrews 10:15-17; Romans 2:14-16) which is the most important one.

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BTW.... the covenant in Jeremiah wasn't new. It's basically the same as the first covenant except for the priestly and sacrificial laws (Hebrews 10). Hey, our passover lamb Jesus desired mercy and not sacrifice if you know what I mean.

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#1838 Sep 28, 2013
Job wrote:
3. That's because you're reading Matthew 28:20 as suggesting that the end of the world will come before their (the disciple's) individual life ends, as opposed to the Body of Christ (the Church). How can this be when Jesus Himself explained to Peter how his life would eventually end, obviously 'before' the end of the world?
Good point.
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Welch, WV

#1840 Sep 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Gee, too bad the Bible says that you are a liar...
Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
The idea that no one can keep the Law is simply a lie invented to make xianity seem vital.
And as far as Messianic prophecy goes, yes there are many of them, but Jesus failed to fulfill the most important ones, and that is what matters.
Gee, too bad the Bible says you are a fool. Jesus fulfilled every prophecy of the Messiah. If not, you would still be thought of as a dog.
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Welch, WV

#1841 Sep 29, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Not wrong in the least. If there were ANY evidence against evolution, it would be tossed out of science. Excuse me, I should specify valid scientific evidence - opium dreams or ancient myths are irrelevant.
And no, it does not matter, no matter how much you want to stamp your little feet over it, evolution deals ONLY with existing life, it does not care about abiogenesis. That is a seprate branch of biology.
Oh, I' m not stamping my feet. I am just amazed idiots like you are still trying to pass off a theory that hardly any scientist can agree on. The ONLY reason that evolution is still circling the drain is that scientists that have no other job skills must keep the fallacy going so they can get their grants and buy groceries for another week.

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Welch, WV

#1842 Sep 29, 2013
Job wrote:
3. That's because you're reading Matthew 28:20 as suggesting that the end of the world will come before their (the disciple's) individual life ends, as opposed to the Body of Christ (the Church). How can this be when Jesus Himself explained to Peter how his life would eventually end, obviously 'before' the end of the world?
Excellent point!

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#1843 Sep 30, 2013
lol wrote:
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Oh, I' m not stamping my feet. I am just amazed idiots like you are still trying to pass off a theory that hardly any scientist can agree on. The ONLY reason that evolution is still circling the drain is that scientists that have no other job skills must keep the fallacy going so they can get their grants and buy groceries for another week.
lol
Weak cheese.

Your ignorance "screams" across the as you post.

Every father alive knows it would be impossible for them to be drunk and have intercourse with their daughters (to the point of ejaculation) and not realize what they were doing (on 2 different occasions none the less!) However, you guys have no issue with the story of Lot and his daughters. This is ridicules and would be saw for what it is in our modern court system and Lot's butt would be in prison for incest (and more than likely, pedophilia.)

You ignore the huge issues and brush them under the table so you can believe in your sky daddy.

Evolution is a fact and you are a moron.

Grow up.

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