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“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#87 Jul 24, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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By the way...is that a fresh photo?
'Cause that Latina is a fox, and the beer selection sign behind you calls me.
I hope you integrate fully and start sprouting bambinos y bambinas soon.
Live well in Christ, life is good.
Anchor Babies 'R' Us
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#88 Jul 24, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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1973, Tijuana. That great little bar had doors marked 'hombres' and 'mujeres' and if you went through the 'hombres' door you were outside. I may have been the only tourist trade they ever got.
That reminds me of a bar in Centerville Montana.
A great place to bring your kids.

It was the social center for ranches and farms, a big place with wooden floors, shuffle board, game bowling, pinball machines, etc.
Kids got all the popcorn and soda they wanted while ma and pa wobbly shuffled around to the jukebox or strung pop-tabs together at the bar.

Anyway, it was a pretty big place in the middle of nowhere and there were two doors for the bathroom, one "cowboys" and one "cowgirls".
Both doors put you outdoors staring at a one holer outhouse.

Nice place to meet new friends, even if they did dance around a lot.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#89 Jul 24, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Anchor Babies 'R' Us
Nuthin wrong with that.
My Canadian bound immigrant grandpappy jumped ship in the St.Lawrence River to swim to America.
My mother's folks were Irish orphan children of indentured servants and shipped to an orphanage in Minn.
My grandma and family were Canadian border jumpers hungry for work.
We all gotta start somewhere, just do it with an honest effort.

“be free indeed”

Since: Jul 09

massachusetts

#90 Jul 25, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Yes, the entitlement thing is very much a part of these people's Protestant, fundamentalist LEGALISM -- i.e. they think it's a courtroom LAW or DECISION that, since they said the magic words "Jesus, I love you," they are IN no matter what and there's nothing anybody, including Jesus, can do about it.
They save themselves, in effect. The hubris of it all is mind-numbing.
None of us deserve God's grace. None of us can earn God's grace. It is called a promise - if God says that "you can know that you have eternal life" (I John 5:13) I believe what the Bible says. I am not dictating to God how it should be, I am simply believing what the Scriptures say.

“be free indeed”

Since: Jul 09

massachusetts

#91 Jul 25, 2013
To Cisco Kid -
answering post #64
__________

I am familiar with the descriptions of athletes and runners in showing lessons regarding the Christian life. I was simply stating that the parable of the sower does not relate at all to any of that! I guess I wasn't clear in my explanation.

Also in post #64 you said:
I humbly hope and trust in the assurance of a Heavenly reward for myself, but am not so presumptuous to demand God's grace as a personal entitlement.
God's grace is a gift, not a right.
__________

This is a typical Catholic response, not to want to be presumptuous regarding God's promise of salvation.

Was Paul presumptuous then in Romans 8:31-39 especially when he says there nothing can separate him from the love of God found in Christ?

Or in John 5:24 in the words of Jesus:
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Or John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; 39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.

Can we PRESUME that a believer in Christ HAS passed from death to life and that we WILL be raised up at the last day? That Christ will NOT lose us!

I am simply believing in Christ's promise to us.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#92 Jul 25, 2013
true liberty wrote:
To Cisco Kid -
answering post #64
__________
I am familiar with the descriptions of athletes and runners in showing lessons regarding the Christian life. I was simply stating that the parable of the sower does not relate at all to any of that! I guess I wasn't clear in my explanation.
Also in post #64 you said:
I humbly hope and trust in the assurance of a Heavenly reward for myself, but am not so presumptuous to demand God's grace as a personal entitlement.
God's grace is a gift, not a right.
__________
This is a typical Catholic response, not to want to be presumptuous regarding God's promise of salvation.
Was Paul presumptuous then in Romans 8:31-39 especially when he says there nothing can separate him from the love of God found in Christ?
Or in John 5:24 in the words of Jesus:
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Or John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; 39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
Can we PRESUME that a believer in Christ HAS passed from death to life and that we WILL be raised up at the last day? That Christ will NOT lose us!
I am simply believing in Christ's promise to us.
What's your take on this:

"Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)

To me it sounds as though Paul three things: 1) atheists get a free pass; 2) you can be a despicable wretch for your entire life but if you repent and accept Jesus with all your heart you will be forgiven; and 3) Jesus lied when he said that the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy.

Or is it Paul who is lying?

Either way, it's clear that Paul and Jesus represent two very different schools of Christian thought. Is it any wonder that Catholics and Protestants are constantly at odds?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#93 Jul 25, 2013
The Lion of God wrote:
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God told me you watch pornagrphy.
How come you are not man enough to own up to it?
Do you watch porn?

Yes or no?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#94 Jul 25, 2013
Johnny Trunk wrote:
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Just because the Catholic religion is False does not mean the Catholic people are bad people!!!
Absolutely agree!

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#95 Jul 25, 2013
The Lion of God wrote:
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Yeah I am the only one of flesh and blood on all the Earth that loves truth over lies.
And MUST use multiple ID's to prove it. LOL!

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque, NM

#96 Jul 25, 2013
true liberty wrote:
To Cisco Kid -
answering post #64
__________
I am familiar with the descriptions of athletes and runners in showing lessons regarding the Christian life. I was simply stating that the parable of the sower does not relate at all to any of that! I guess I wasn't clear in my explanation.
Also in post #64 you said:
I humbly hope and trust in the assurance of a Heavenly reward for myself, but am not so presumptuous to demand God's grace as a personal entitlement.
God's grace is a gift, not a right.
__________
This is a typical Catholic response, not to want to be presumptuous regarding God's promise of salvation.
Was Paul presumptuous then in Romans 8:31-39 especially when he says there nothing can separate him from the love of God found in Christ?
Or in John 5:24 in the words of Jesus:
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Or John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; 39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
Can we PRESUME that a believer in Christ HAS passed from death to life and that we WILL be raised up at the last day? That Christ will NOT lose us!
I am simply believing in Christ's promise to us.
"He who hears my word and believes him who sent me."
You don't know you're saved since you ignore or deny much of 'His Word'.

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you.

Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

Go, and sin no more.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#97 Jul 25, 2013
true liberty wrote:
To Cisco Kid -
answering post #64
__________
I am familiar with the descriptions of athletes and runners in showing lessons regarding the Christian life. I was simply stating that the parable of the sower does not relate at all to any of that! I guess I wasn't clear in my explanation.
Also in post #64 you said:
I humbly hope and trust in the assurance of a Heavenly reward for myself, but am not so presumptuous to demand God's grace as a personal entitlement.
God's grace is a gift, not a right.
__________
This is a typical Catholic response, not to want to be presumptuous regarding God's promise of salvation.
Was Paul presumptuous then in Romans 8:31-39 especially when he says there nothing can separate him from the love of God found in Christ?
Or in John 5:24 in the words of Jesus:
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Or John 6:37-39
All that the Father gives me will come to me; and him who comes to me I will not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me; 39 and this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day.
Can we PRESUME that a believer in Christ HAS passed from death to life and that we WILL be raised up at the last day? That Christ will NOT lose us!
I am simply believing in Christ's promise to us.
No, I don't think Paul was presumptuous at Romans 8:31-39.
He, like I, will let nothing separate myself from loving God.

I don't think God will lose a person, but a person might choose to lose God.
After all, Christianity is a reciprocal relationship, and a person needs to uphold their part of the deal.

God endowed mankind with free will, it is up to the individual how they use it.
The Seven Spirits of God

San Antonio, TX

#98 Jul 25, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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No, I don't think Paul was presumptuous at Romans 8:31-39.
He, like I, will let nothing separate myself from loving God.
I don't think God will lose a person, but a person might choose to lose God.
After all, Christianity is a reciprocal relationship, and a person needs to uphold their part of the deal.
God endowed mankind with free will, it is up to the individual how they use it.
Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#99 Jul 25, 2013
The Seven Spirits of God wrote:
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Is dollarsbill Your Brother
in Christ And is of The Same Spirit You Are?
Yes or no?
Are you anyone's brother in Christ, prophet of PORN?
Johnny Trunk

Philadelphia, PA

#100 Jul 25, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Are you anyone's brother in Christ, prophet of PORN?
He is not my brother in Christ.

“be free indeed”

Since: Jul 09

massachusetts

#101 Jul 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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No, I don't think Paul was presumptuous at Romans 8:31-39.
He, like I, will let nothing separate myself from loving God.
I don't think God will lose a person, but a person might choose to lose God.
After all, Christianity is a reciprocal relationship, and a person needs to uphold their part of the deal.
God endowed mankind with free will, it is up to the individual how they use it.
But how can a person possibly "uphold their part of the deal" every day every hour every minute? If not even one sin can enter Heaven how can mankind out of their own puny power avoid the fate of separation from God? It is our nature to sin, it is our habit to sin, it is our delight to sin and we often fail to see it. As Jeremiah 13:23 says, "can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil" .. Please read my earlier post in this forum, search for title "The Inevitability and Irreversability of sin without Christ" that goes over this in detail.

Reciprocity is fine if we have the power to uphold our end. But we need God's Holy Spirit to do this and only when we trust in Jesus's full and complete payment for our sins on the cross to assure us of heaven do we receive this gift of God's Holy Spirit and power and have the ability to overcome sin and the cleansing needed from God to forgive sin.

So was the Apostle John presumptuous when he said the verses I quoted earlier?
Truthsayer777

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#102 Jul 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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That reminds me of a bar in Centerville Montana.
A great place to bring your kids.
It was the social center for ranches and farms, a big place with wooden floors, shuffle board, game bowling, pinball machines, etc.
Kids got all the popcorn and soda they wanted while ma and pa wobbly shuffled around to the jukebox or strung pop-tabs together at the bar.
Anyway, it was a pretty big place in the middle of nowhere and there were two doors for the bathroom, one "cowboys" and one "cowgirls".
Both doors put you outdoors staring at a one holer outhouse.
Nice place to meet new friends, even if they did dance around a lot.
A bar is a great place to bring kids? Spoken like a true pagan.
Truthsayer777

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#103 Jul 26, 2013
true liberty wrote:
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But how can a person possibly "uphold their part of the deal" every day every hour every minute? If not even one sin can enter Heaven how can mankind out of their own puny power avoid the fate of separation from God? It is our nature to sin, it is our habit to sin, it is our delight to sin and we often fail to see it. As Jeremiah 13:23 says, "can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil" .. Please read my earlier post in this forum, search for title "The Inevitability and Irreversability of sin without Christ" that goes over this in detail.
Reciprocity is fine if we have the power to uphold our end. But we need God's Holy Spirit to do this and only when we trust in Jesus's full and complete payment for our sins on the cross to assure us of heaven do we receive this gift of God's Holy Spirit and power and have the ability to overcome sin and the cleansing needed from God to forgive sin.
So was the Apostle John presumptuous when he said the verses I quoted earlier?
Amen. Good stuff!
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#104 Jul 26, 2013
true liberty wrote:
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But how can a person possibly "uphold their part of the deal" every day every hour every minute? If not even one sin can enter Heaven how can mankind out of their own puny power avoid the fate of separation from God? It is our nature to sin, it is our habit to sin, it is our delight to sin and we often fail to see it. As Jeremiah 13:23 says, "can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil" .. Please read my earlier post in this forum, search for title "The Inevitability and Irreversability of sin without Christ" that goes over this in detail.
Reciprocity is fine if we have the power to uphold our end. But we need God's Holy Spirit to do this and only when we trust in Jesus's full and complete payment for our sins on the cross to assure us of heaven do we receive this gift of God's Holy Spirit and power and have the ability to overcome sin and the cleansing needed from God to forgive sin.
Because man is prone to sin, Christ provided a path to redemption via seeking God's mercy and forgiveness while walking in The Way of Jesus.
true liberty wrote:
So was the Apostle John presumptuous when he said the verses I quoted earlier?
Since those John verses were recording the words of Jesus, one could hardly accuse John of being presumptuous.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#105 Jul 26, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Because man is prone to sin, Christ provided a path to redemption via seeking God's mercy and forgiveness while walking in The Way of Jesus.
But Man isn't prone to sin.

At the moment Eve accepted the offer of the forbidden fruit, she had yet to know the difference between right and wrong. She didn't acquire the knowledge of right and wrong until AFTER she ate the fruit. It was only then that she experienced shame, because it wasn't until AFTER she ate the fruit that her eyes were opened and she knew she had "sinned."

Since God knows what everyone will do BEFORE they do it, he knew that Eve would eat the fruit. She had no choice but to eat it, for if she had refused it God would have been wrong about what he knew she would do. He also knew that she was unaware that she was about to do something wrong, and yet he punished her anyway.

So, the God of the Bible punishes people for doing things that they have no choice but to do.

And yet, according to Paul, "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)

Eve wasn't shown mercy even though she acted in ignorance. Why not? Why does God hate women?

Your theology is self-contradictory to the point of worthlessness, and your God cannot be omniscient at the same time that humans have free will - in other words, your God cannot exist.

Either he knows the future and we don't have free will (which makes him a monster for punishing us when we do something he doesn't like) or we have free will and he doesn't know the future (which contradicts the Bible.)

No matter how you look at it, Christianity is only for people with no critical thinking skills and no comprehension of basic logic.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#106 Jul 26, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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But Man isn't prone to sin.
At the moment Eve accepted the offer of the forbidden fruit, she had yet to know the difference between right and wrong. She didn't acquire the knowledge of right and wrong until AFTER she ate the fruit. It was only then that she experienced shame, because it wasn't until AFTER she ate the fruit that her eyes were opened and she knew she had "sinned."
Since God knows what everyone will do BEFORE they do it, he knew that Eve would eat the fruit. She had no choice but to eat it, for if she had refused it God would have been wrong about what he knew she would do. He also knew that she was unaware that she was about to do something wrong, and yet he punished her anyway.
So, the God of the Bible punishes people for doing things that they have no choice but to do.
And yet, according to Paul, "Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief." (1 Timothy 1:13)
Eve wasn't shown mercy even though she acted in ignorance. Why not? Why does God hate women?
Your theology is self-contradictory to the point of worthlessness, and your God cannot be omniscient at the same time that humans have free will - in other words, your God cannot exist.
Either he knows the future and we don't have free will (which makes him a monster for punishing us when we do something he doesn't like) or we have free will and he doesn't know the future (which contradicts the Bible.)
No matter how you look at it, Christianity is only for people with no critical thinking skills and no comprehension of basic logic.
What do you mean "Man isn't prone to sin"?

You just broke the first three of Ten Commandments in your single post.

You have a severe disconnect from critical thinking skills and no comprehension of basic logic.

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