"I’m saying GOD doesn’t exist!"

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What are you going on about...????
LOL..
Doesn't matter what I say does it..
it is written Jesus the only begotten son in the bosom of the Father is the one that explains him, to us..
may I recommend listening to what Jesus has to say...
They were very simple questions. I didn't think you'd be able to answer any of them.

Would you like a second chance?

Here are the questions again. Please answer them if you can. If you can;t then I'll accept that as proof that you cannot define your God, which means you really know very little - if anything - about him.

1) Is he a God of pure goodness, or is he capable of evil as well?

2) Is he always just, or sometimes merciful?

3) Does he know the future? Did he give humans free will to change the future?

4) How did Satan go from being an angel of light to the Prince of Darkness? Was there a flaw in Satan when God created him or did something external influence him and compel him to turn against God? What was that external influence, and where did it come from?

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Become a believer and you will have the 'proof' required...
That's exactly my point - you have to accept it all with no proof, then you make up your own proof.

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That's exactly my point - you have to accept it all with no proof, then you make up your own proof.
WRONG!!! The proof is revealed, NOT made up...

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They were very simple questions. I didn't think you'd be able to answer any of them.
Would you like a second chance?
Here are the questions again. Please answer them if you can. If you can;t then I'll accept that as proof that you cannot define your God, which means you really know very little - if anything - about him.
1) Is he a God of pure goodness, or is he capable of evil as well?
2) Is he always just, or sometimes merciful?
3) Does he know the future? Did he give humans free will to change the future?
4) How did Satan go from being an angel of light to the Prince of Darkness? Was there a flaw in Satan when God created him or did something external influence him and compel him to turn against God? What was that external influence, and where did it come from?
Did you read the prophesy..in Isaiah 53...

prophesying about Christ before he even come...now don't you believe that shows God knew before hand Jesus would pour out his blood for sinners..

don't you think that is marvelous...are your eyes so blinded that you can't see that god is the god of prophesy???

Of Jesus it is said .. Hebrews 10:7'Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, my God.'"

And Jesus also read Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,"

and when he finished reading the scriptures he stated ' Today this scripture is fulfilled...

And jests has come to break up the works of the devil ..because he does Gods will...He shows us what God really wills ...
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correction and Jesus has come to break up the works of the devil.....

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1 John 5 [10] The person putting his faith in the son of God , has the witness given, in his own case....."
Exactly.
I can attest to that being true.
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WRONG!!! The proof is revealed, NOT made up...
McFly!!!
It is irrational to believe without evidence. If the evidence is the result of belief, then only the irrational will obtain evidence. If your God exists, and gave us brains, why would he demand that we disengage them to be justified in believing he exists? That IS what you're describing.

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Did you read the prophesy..in Isaiah 53...
prophesying about Christ before he even come...now don't you believe that shows God knew before hand Jesus would pour out his blood for sinners..
don't you think that is marvelous...are your eyes so blinded that you can't see that god is the god of prophesy???
Of Jesus it is said .. Hebrews 10:7'Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, my God.'"
And Jesus also read Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,"
and when he finished reading the scriptures he stated ' Today this scripture is fulfilled...
And jests has come to break up the works of the devil ..because he does Gods will...He shows us what God really wills ...
The Bible cannot corroborate the Bible. You need evidence from without, not within. Try again.
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But then an agnostic doesn't necessarily disbelieve in God either. A person can believe in a god without claiming to know for sure if that god exists; the result is agnostic theism.
Agnostic theism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of at least one deity, but regards the basis of this proposition as unknown or inherently unknowable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism
The word “belief” has a different connotation in relation to an agnostic theist than it has to a theist.

“The question [Do you believe in God?] has a peculiar structure. If I say no, do I mean I'm convinced God doesn't exist, or do I mean I'm not convinced he does exist? Those are two very different questions.”- Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's (self-proclaimed agnostic)“Contact”

An agnostic theist is not convinced that “God” exists and an agnostic atheist is not convinced that “God” doesn’t exist.
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The word “belief” has a different connotation in relation to an agnostic theist than it has to a theist.
“The question [Do you believe in God?] has a peculiar structure. If I say no, do I mean I'm convinced God doesn't exist, or do I mean I'm not convinced he does exist? Those are two very different questions.”- Dr. Arroway in Carl Sagan's (self-proclaimed agnostic)“Contact”
An agnostic theist is not convinced that “God” exists and an agnostic atheist is not convinced that “God” doesn’t exist.
In my opinion, an agnostic theist believes in a higher power but believe there is little known about that higher power or that power is unknowable. Einstein would fit my definition of an agnostic theist to a T.

"I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?"

"The fanatical atheists....... cannot hear the music of the spheres."

“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding..."

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos."

"...We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is..."

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior Spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. The deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning Power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."

the maker of the pattern, the clockmaker,........unattainabl e secrets of harmony,.....someone must have written those books,.....mysterious order,.........superior reasoning power....

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The Bible cannot corroborate the Bible. You need evidence from without, not within. Try again.
From without? without what?
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It is irrational to believe without evidence. If the evidence is the result of belief, then only the irrational will obtain evidence. If your God exists, and gave us brains, why would he demand that we disengage them to be justified in believing he exists? That IS what you're describing.
Yet many successful scientists believe in God and they certainly don't think they must disengage their brain to believe in Him.

"To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself."
Werner Von Braun


"The significance and joy in my science comes in the occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself,'So that's how God did it!' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."

Dr. "Fritz" Schaefer , the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize and was cited as the third most quoted chemist in the world.

"My approach to reality is different. I believe that we have to accept the implications of physical law, whatever these implications are. If they imply the existence of God, well, then God exists." Tipler, F. 2007. The Physics Of Christianity.
Frank Tipler, Professor of the Department of Mathematics at Tulane University, a former atheist, is now a Christian because of the laws of physics.

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WRONG!!! The proof is revealed, NOT made up...
McFly!!!
LOL@ "McFly"

At least you have a sense of humor!

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Did you read the prophesy..in Isaiah 53...
prophesying about Christ before he even come...now don't you believe that shows God knew before hand Jesus would pour out his blood for sinners..
don't you think that is marvelous...are your eyes so blinded that you can't see that god is the god of prophesy???
Of Jesus it is said .. Hebrews 10:7'Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, my God.'"
And Jesus also read Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,"
and when he finished reading the scriptures he stated ' Today this scripture is fulfilled...
And jests has come to break up the works of the devil ..because he does Gods will...He shows us what God really wills ...
Once again, you've deflected.

Please answer these questions in a straightforward manner. No Bible verses, no vagueness, no coded language.

1) Is your God a god of pure goodness, or is he capable of evil as well?

2) Is he always just, or sometimes merciful?

3) Does he know the future? Did he give humans free will to change the future?

4) How did Satan go from being an angel of light to the Prince of Darkness? Was there a flaw in Satan when God created him or did something external influence him and compel him to turn against God? What was that external influence, and where did it come from?
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In my opinion, an agnostic theist believes in a higher power but believe there is little known about that higher power or that power is unknowable. Einstein would fit my definition of an agnostic theist to a T.
"I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand dimensions are as one?"
"The fanatical atheists....... cannot hear the music of the spheres."
“In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding..."
"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos."
"...We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is..."
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior Spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. The deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning Power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."
the maker of the pattern, the clockmaker,........unattainabl e secrets of harmony,.....someone must have written those books,.....mysterious order,.........superior reasoning power....
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." — Albert Einstein, March 3, 1954, letter to Erik Gutkind

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Yet many successful scientists believe in God and they certainly don't think they must disengage their brain to believe in Him.
"To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself."
Werner Von Braun
"The significance and joy in my science comes in the occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself,'So that's how God did it!' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."
Dr. "Fritz" Schaefer , the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize and was cited as the third most quoted chemist in the world.
"My approach to reality is different. I believe that we have to accept the implications of physical law, whatever these implications are. If they imply the existence of God, well, then God exists." Tipler, F. 2007. The Physics Of Christianity.
Frank Tipler, Professor of the Department of Mathematics at Tulane University, a former atheist, is now a Christian because of the laws of physics.
Note that NONE of the scientists you cite claim that your God exists, only that something MAY exist.

It's a far cry from believing that the universe MAY HAVE been created by an intelligent force to believing that that force got a human virgin pregnant and gave birth to himself, then died even though he couldn't be killed.

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LOL@ "McFly"
At least you have a sense of humor!
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Glad you liked it...I do try...

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In my opinion, an agnostic theist believes in a higher power but believe there is little known about that higher power or that power is unknowable. Einstein would fit my definition of an agnostic theist to a T.
Your "opinion" is nothing more than you redefining terms to make your argument work. Your argument needs to work with demonstrable reality, not with your own personally made-up version of reality. Try again.

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Yet many successful scientists believe in God and they certainly don't think they must disengage their brain to believe in Him.
Yep. People compartmentalize all the time.
downhill246 wrote:
"To simply dismiss the concept of God as being unscientific is to violate the very objectivity of science itself."
Werner Von Braun
"The significance and joy in my science comes in the occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself,'So that's how God did it!' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan."
Dr. "Fritz" Schaefer , the Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia. He has been nominated for the Nobel Prize and was cited as the third most quoted chemist in the world.
"My approach to reality is different. I believe that we have to accept the implications of physical law, whatever these implications are. If they imply the existence of God, well, then God exists." Tipler, F. 2007. The Physics Of Christianity.
Frank Tipler, Professor of the Department of Mathematics at Tulane University, a former atheist, is now a Christian because of the laws of physics.
Argument from authority. Not a single one of them is an expert in the field of proving God exists. What they say about God is just as valid as what anybody else says about God, because THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF GOD'S EXISTENCE. Until you can define God and then demonstrate God's existence, there's nothing you've really got to say that means anything about God.

Like I said, it's irrational to accept a claim as true without any evidence to corroborate it.

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From without? without what?
Aw, it's sad that you're stupid. Your horrific education is not my shortcoming.

Thanks for trying to create a distraction from the glaring fact that there is no evidence to corroborate the ridiculous nonsense in the Bible.

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