"I’m saying GOD doesn’t exist!"
little lamb

Maribyrnong, Australia

#1943 Apr 26, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Since you folks make the claims, it's up to you to provide proof.
I would agree, that when we represent Christ to the people..God himself must back us up...
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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You never do. All you do is ask us to disprove them.
No we preach Christ crucified..forgiveness on the basis of Jesus name is being offered..you can either ignore or search the gospels for yourself to see if they are correct..
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>Would you be okay with that scenario? I doubt it, yet that is exactly the position you put us in when you demand that we prove the non-existence of your God.
You are not to prove anything to us..You need to be reminded , it is you yourself that has searched Christians out, by coming on a Christian forum.
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>And you are right, we cannot debate people like you, since you are egotistical, self-righteous, illogical, irrational, in denial, and unable to back up your claims.
Again we come with a message..of forgiveness because of Jesus BLOOD..the question becomes, why do you hang around..

Do you want us to prove to you, that you are forgiven, when its a matter of belief.

[QUOTE who="HighlyEvolved"S o let's agree to disagree: I can't prove your God doesn't exist, and you can't prove you aren't a child molester.
Therefore your God does exist and you are in fact a child molester.
And since your God despises child molesters and damns them all to hell, you're f-cked.[/QUOTE]

Well the fact remains there is a God..and we believe there is a god and you don't ..end of matter

Also its a fact child molesters do exist and we shouldn't have to have them proved to us they exist by you..because there are court records you can search

just like there are scriptural records of other peoples testimony that you can search about God...

so if anyone is screwed..its you running around this board saying ' I don't believe in God, prove to me he exists"

You are free to believe what you want.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#1944 Apr 26, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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If God is the universe, then you don't need to call it God, because we already have a perfectly good name for it: universe.
If God is physics (which seems to be what you're really getting at), we have a name for that already, too: physics.
Slapping some other name on it doesn't imbue it with some other properties.
Right.
We have a name for these already and we need to call things what they are.......creations of God.

You should take your own advice.
Don't try and assign new names to fit your agenda.

It is what it is.
LowellGuy wrote:
It is what it is. Here's the truth: you're not special, nor are any of us, nor is anything. Get over yourself, as though you're the center of the universe. You're just a bag of chemicals on an insignificant pebble in a vast expanse that is ultimately indifferent to your existence and antithetical to your survival.
You are such a hard-lined fundamentalist.
If you don't feel like a unique individual of importance, that's okay.
But I do.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1945 Apr 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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I would agree, that when we represent Christ to the people..God himself must back us up...
<quoted text>
No we preach Christ crucified..forgiveness on the basis of Jesus name is being offered..you can either ignore or search the gospels for yourself to see if they are correct..
<quoted text>
You are not to prove anything to us..You need to be reminded , it is you yourself that has searched Christians out, by coming on a Christian forum.
<quoted text>
Again we come with a message..of forgiveness because of Jesus BLOOD..the question becomes, why do you hang around..
Do you want us to prove to you, that you are forgiven, when its a matter of belief.
<quoted text>
Well the fact remains there is a God..and we believe there is a god and you don't ..end of matter
Also its a fact child molesters do exist and we shouldn't have to have them proved to us they exist by you..because there are court records you can search
just like there are scriptural records of other peoples testimony that you can search about God...
so if anyone is screwed..its you running around this board saying ' I don't believe in God, prove to me he exists"
You are free to believe what you want.
Q. What is an effect?
A. An effect is that which is caused by something else, as smoke, for example, is an effect of fire.

Q. What does redemption mean?
A. Redemption means the buying back of a thing that was given away or sold.

Q. What did Adam give away by his sin, and what did Our Lord buy back for him and us?
A. By his sin Adam gave away all right to God's promised gifts of grace in this world and of glory in the next, and Our Lord bought back the right that Adam threw away.

Q. Which are the chief effects of the Redemption?
A. The chief effects of the Redemption are two: The satisfaction of God's justice by Christ's sufferings and death, and the gaining of grace for men.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/c...

This Redemption does not guarantee one salvation/justification. Salvation and Justification are ongoing processes which a Christian lives and grows into for the rest of their lives.
15th Dalai Lama

Albuquerque, NM

#1946 Apr 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
I would agree, that when we represent Christ to the people..God himself must back us up...
<quoted text>
No we preach Christ crucified..forgiveness on the basis of Jesus name is being offered..you can either ignore or search the gospels for yourself to see if they are correct..
<quoted text>
You are not to prove anything to us..You need to be reminded , it is you yourself that has searched Christians out, by coming on a Christian forum.
<quoted text>
Again we come with a message..of forgiveness because of Jesus BLOOD..the question becomes, why do you hang around..
Do you want us to prove to you, that you are forgiven, when its a matter of belief.
<quoted text>
Well the fact remains there is a God..and we believe there is a god and you don't ..end of matter
Also its a fact child molesters do exist and we shouldn't have to have them proved to us they exist by you..because there are court records you can search
just like there are scriptural records of other peoples testimony that you can search about God...
so if anyone is screwed..its you running around this board saying ' I don't believe in God, prove to me he exists"
You are free to believe what you want.
"Hold it right there. You said 'the fact remains there is a God". You don't know that. Maybe Highly's right. He could say
'I'm right and you're wrong' without any evidence, as you have none yourself, and then what would you do?
little lamb

Park Orchards, Australia

#1947 Apr 26, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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"Hold it right there. You said 'the fact remains there is a God". You don't know that. Maybe Highly's right. He could say
'I'm right and you're wrong' without any evidence, as you have none yourself, and then what would you do?
No..I know beyond doubt there is a god..

What you are saying is you doubt there is a god..not me.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1948 Apr 26, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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You have made one big assumption...No human being is put in the position of proving God exists to another
Forget God for a moment. Let's assess what you just stated without making any reference to God or Jesus or religion.

Anyone who claims that X exists has the burden of proof. That means it's up to the person making the claim to prove that his claim is true, by providing evidence as proof.

If someone says that invisible monkeys exist, then that person has to prove they do. The person claiming that invisible monkeys exist has the burden of proof. It's not up to the other person to prove they don't exist.

Now back to God. You say that God exists, and so you have the burden of proof. In order for me to accept your claim as true you must provide evidence as proof.

If you have no evidence then your claim is untrue.

And since you have no evidence that God exists, your claim is untrue.

It's really that simple.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1949 Apr 26, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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There's nothing to prove...don't you get it? Your 'claims' that we need to prove it...prove what? you are debating faith / prayer / GOD...you're the one who keeps bringing up these stupid scenarios thinking in your (so called) highly evolved mind and then making it sound like we are the ones claiming...
I am NOT 'egotistical', I am NOT self-righteous'...now my wife may think at times I am illogical and irrational...but I could claim all those about you and others...
I do have 2 up on you tho...I know GOD exists and I KNOW I am NOT a child molestor...the only one 'f-cked' here is you...Peace Out...
What you know, and what is true, are/can be two different things.

They have to be, otherwise anything that anyone knows is therefore is true, and that leads to nothing but contradiction.

I know that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy, and you he didn't. Both cannot be true. It is impossible for Lee Harvey Oswald to have killed JFK and not killed him at the same time.

You tell me that, since I can't prove God doesn't exist, he must therefore exist.

Well, I said the same to you: if you cannot prove you aren't a child molester, then you are.

You can't twist the rules of logic to your benefit and not expect to be called on it.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1950 Apr 26, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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How do you know HE doesn't heal 'real deformities'? Ever hear of surgeons? Doctors? Amputees? Not sure about that one...never heard HE did or didn't. If HE didn't, maybe HE's not a 'showboater'...
NEXT!
That made absolutely no sense.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#1952 Apr 27, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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Thinking: "Imagine there actually is a god, but it prefers to reward the sceptical amongst us."
I'll venture to say God as much delights in the sceptics' earnestness in Him being not, as He does the believers' certainty that He is!
It's just a game?

I knew that long ago. When Real Christians(tm) begin to realize that, I'll have to find another game.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1953 Apr 27, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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He, as an agnostic, allowed for the possibility of the existence of some incomprehensible creative force but he considered the “God” you (and most other religious people) believe in childish superstition.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstition." — Albert Einstein, March 3, 1954, letter to Erik Gutkind
I don't disagree that he was an agnostic atheist.

Did he have a belief in a deity or deities? If not, he was an atheist. Did he declare knowledge of the non-existence of such? If not, then he was an agnostic atheist.

See, words mean things. You'd do well to realize this.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1954 Apr 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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No..I know beyond doubt there is a god..
Based on what evidence?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1955 Apr 27, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Forget God for a moment. Let's assess what you just stated without making any reference to God or Jesus or religion.
Anyone who claims that X exists has the burden of proof. That means it's up to the person making the claim to prove that his claim is true, by providing evidence as proof.
If someone says that invisible monkeys exist, then that person has to prove they do. The person claiming that invisible monkeys exist has the burden of proof. It's not up to the other person to prove they don't exist.
Now back to God. You say that God exists, and so you have the burden of proof. In order for me to accept your claim as true you must provide evidence as proof.
If you have no evidence then your claim is untrue.
And since you have no evidence that God exists, your claim is untrue.
It's really that simple.
Just to clarify: lack of evidence doesn't demonstrate the untruth of the claim; it merely justifies rejection of the claim.

"I have a million dollars in my pocket." If I provide no evidence, does that make my claim false? Of course not. It very well might be true (assuming that I have extremely large pockets, or a check). But, if I make a claim that is out of the ordinary, and provide zero evidence to support it, you have no rational justification to accept my claim as true, so you reject my claim. It could still be true, but you would be right not to accept it.

Or, an Atheist Experience example: a jar is filled with jellybeans. The number of jellybeans is either even or odd. I claim that the number is even. I have no evidence to support my claim. I may be right, but I haven't provided you a rational reason to accept it, so you rightly reject it.

Don't conflate rejecting a claim with the claim being untrue. Not the same thing.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1956 Apr 27, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Right.
We have a name for these already and we need to call things what they are.......creations of God.
You should take your own advice.
Don't try and assign new names to fit your agenda.
It is what it is.
<quoted text>
You are such a hard-lined fundamentalist.
If you don't feel like a unique individual of importance, that's okay.
But I do.
No no no...you said God is the universe. Now, you're saying God created the universe. If God created the universe, and God IS the universe, then God created himself, which is a logical contradiction.

Make up your mind about what your God is. Then, once you do that, demonstrate its existence.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1957 Apr 27, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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No we can be wrong ..that is why we preach Christ...
And it is him, that we believe died for us, and by his blood is forgiveness of sins
That is what we preach to you.
Now its up to you to come and learn of Christ and find out for yourself
That is why scripture states that God gives us the witness in our own case..because we believe the message ...you have to examine it yourself..the gospels are available to all and sundry and we preach the gospels.
If you conclude the gospels are not true..then I turn away from you..and you are free to go..because a believer and an unbeliever have nothing in common.
Do you believe the gospel...that there is forgiveness of your sins by what Christ has accomplished for you??
Yes, I understand those are your beliefs. I want to know why your beliefs are correct.

By the way, since when does the Bible tell you to not engage the disbelieving? I thought you had an obligation to share the gospel and the message of Christ so that others might be saved. The redemption of souls depends upon the example you set.

You do know that any quote you might pull saying that you should turn away from disbelievers can easily be contradicted by quotes saying that you shouldn't. Wouldn't it be nice if your Bible could pick a lane? Alas, it wants to have things both ways. Almost as if there wasn't any single source, but rather a bunch of people writing their own version of how things were and ought to be. Imagine that.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1958 Apr 27, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Last time I checked an agnostic was not an atheist and all I ever claimed was that Einstein was not an atheist.
If someone doesn't have a belief in deities, one is an atheist. If someone also doesn't claim to have knowledge about the existence of deities, one is an agnostic atheist.

"Agnostic" and "atheist" are not mutually exclusive labels. One is about belief, one is about knowledge (which is a subset of belief).

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1959 Apr 27, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Nope, I didn't state 'swayed'...
Look at it this way:
The simplified heart pumps out of 1 artery, from there it disperses to all of the body. From all of the body, it transitions back to 1 artery.
No starting route 'main arter'y (situations, prayers, etc) is set, yet there are infinite ways (dispersion) to the end result '1 artery' or HIS will...
Verstehst Du?
So, you're saying prayers don't change what God is going to do, therefore prayer is ineffectual, and it's merely false attribution. Thanks for clearing that up.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#1960 Apr 27, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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It's just a game?
I knew that long ago. When Real Christians(tm) begin to realize that, I'll have to find another game.
Alice: "It's just a game?"

What is it you're referring to as, "just a game"?

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#1961 Apr 27, 2013
janeebee wrote:
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Alice: "It's just a game?"
What is it you're referring to as, "just a game"?
The gambling part, dear.

The wager.

What did you think I was referring to?
Thinking

Darlington, UK

#1962 Apr 27, 2013
Without imagination, you can't create.
NDanger wrote:
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The part that fails here tho is this: you asked me to imagine...
Next!
Thinking

Darlington, UK

#1964 Apr 27, 2013
If only your god was also compassionate and all powerful.

He could still play his little games with your head whilst ending miscarriages, cot deaths and childhood leukaemia.
janeebee wrote:
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Thinking: "Imagine there actually is a god, but it prefers to reward the sceptical amongst us."
I'll venture to say God as much delights in the sceptics' earnestness in Him being not, as He does the believers' certainty that He is!

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