"Iím saying GOD doesnít exist!"

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Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
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"Amazing things'??? Like You saw amputated limbs restored by prayer!
That was Lowell's Question, but You conveniently twisted around it with your typical fundie toilet-shltty answer, "I have seen some amazing things happen due to the power of prayer." OH,... do "amaze" us, dear!
You are such an obvious phony, NDanger!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Amaze you? You're the phony, Staccats, or is it Harr harr or quiggies daughter or just another loser sitting in the mental ward computer room...

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LowellGuy wrote:
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Great. Just prove that it was prayer that caused whatever it was to happen. That's all I need.
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Actually, all skeptics do is wait for evidence before accepting a claim as true. Is that foolish? Should people just believe things no matter what?
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By your logic, all the people who claim to have been abducted by aliens MUST have been abducted by aliens. Unfortunately, it takes more than lots of people saying X for X to be true. It takes EVIDENCE. Provide that, and you win. Gullibility is not a virtue.
It was proven to me,(evidential) that's all I need...

It matters not to me that you don't believe it...as a matter of fact, I couldn't give a shit...

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Laci Ann 7 wrote:
<quoted text>So have I NDanger.......
The scoffers have been given over to blindness...

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Thinking wrote:
Coincidences are bound to happen. Do you really expect to live in a world where you can't get the same roll on a die back to back?
If there were no coincidences at all, then I'd be very interested in finding out why.
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Call it what you like...I'm not a gamblin' man...

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HighlyEvolved wrote:
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"A jury convicted the Schaibles of involuntary manslaughter in the January 2009 death of their 2-year-old son, Kent. The boy's symptoms had included coughing, congestion, crankiness and a loss of appetite. His parents said he was eating and drinking until the last day, and they had thought he was getting better. The Schaibles were sentenced to 10 years' probation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/herb...
It seems that a lot of people, including local law enforcement, knew about these sick scumbags.
They knew about them, but did they know it was happening again?

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HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Basically you've just admitted that prayer is meaningless. Here's why:
1) If God is smarter than humans, then God's will cannot be affected by human pleading. I mean seriously, can you picture God thinking, "Well, I WAS going to do X, but since all those humans have asked me to do Y instead I'll defer to their judgment."
2) If God knows the future then he already knows everything that is going to happen. That means that nothing can change - everything is predetermined. And of course that means we don;t have free will. But as far as prayer goes, if God knows the future then praying will not - can not - change the future. And if God does NOT know the future then God is not omniscient, therefore he isn't God.
3. Many people pray out loud. Why? So God can hear you? That's silly, considering that God allegedly knows what's in your heart.
People pray for several reasons, and all but one of them are illogical. The only logical aspect of prayer is that it makes the person praying feel better.
When you really look at it, prayer is quite selfish. Since praying will not alter God's plan or bend his will (because then he would no longer be God), and since praying will either work or not work (it's a coin toss), then prayer is a very selfish endeavor. Since the only demonstrable benefit of prayer is an increase in the person who prays, then it is a very selfish act.
Actually, I admitted prayer is powerful. Until you've experienced it like faith, your words are empty...

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HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Hindus have seen some amazing things happen too when they pray to Ganesh, Vishnu, Krishna, etc. Does that then affirm the existence of their gods?
The God of Abraham hasn't done anything or proved himself or revealed himself in any way that is any different from the gods of other religions.
The same anecdotes you cite as evidence of your God's existence are as equally valid as those from other people who worship other gods.
Either ALL the gods who grant wishes and perform miracles exist, or none of them do.
Obviously, none of them do.
I don't know if that is true and doubtful you do too. My thinking is you are pulling this one directly out of your azz. It's really irrelevant to me what you or others think about Prayer, Faith and GOD... until it happens to you, you're just staring into empty space...

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Its useless throwing pearls before swine..because scripture states , they turn around and rip you open.
I believe that Gods house , his people , are to be a house of prayer.
And I believe Jesus said ' if we have faith the size of a mustard seed , we could tell a mountain to move into the sea, and it would be done for us, and he went on to say : nothing would be impossible for us'
but I wouldn't bother trying to share that with scoffers..but there should be other Christians on this forum , that you can share with and encourage one another's faith...
Actually, I enjoy this as they try to debate Faith, Prayer and GOD...they can't...

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wow...everything is beliefs aka opinions aka bulls-hit..no facts in your life it seems......
you invest money based on opinions or facts? do you pick your doctors based on opinions or facts? try going to the bank and tell them you believe you have a million dollars in your checking account and would like to withdraw it all..emphasize that you believe and don't need any proof.....let us know how that works out for you.....
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LowellGuy wrote:
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That "higher power" was the workings of the universe. Spinoza's God. Not some supernatural being.
Who or What do you envision God as?

Hopefully not some white haired, bearded man sitting on a thrown floating on clouds.
That's a lot of literary flourish.

God Is the Universe because the Universe is of God.

God is in molecules because all things are created by God.

God separates chaos from order, thus one of the reasons Higg's boson is dubbed the god particle. It maintains a barrier between matter and anti-matter, therefore allowing the natural order we dwell in to be fairly reliable in cause and effect.

This power, this creator of parameters, we call God.
God is big, God is small, God is all in all.
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LowellGuy wrote:
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You do know that the Watchtower is a cult, right?
Really?
I just thought they were part of a plot to interrupt my watching football games on the weekends.

Maybe I should get a pitbull to chain outside.

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Actually, I admitted prayer is powerful. Until you've experienced it like faith, your words are empty...
So, you're saying your God can be swayed by requests, which means he was going to do something else but changed his mind, which means he either doesn't know better than we do or he can be wrong.

Or, you're merely praying with aspirin. The result is going to happen anyway, and you're attributing the result to the request despite it being an inevitability.

Which is it? Fallible God or false attribution?

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Who or What do you envision God as?
Hopefully not some white haired, bearded man sitting on a thrown floating on clouds.
That's a lot of literary flourish.
God Is the Universe because the Universe is of God.
God is in molecules because all things are created by God.
God separates chaos from order, thus one of the reasons Higg's boson is dubbed the god particle. It maintains a barrier between matter and anti-matter, therefore allowing the natural order we dwell in to be fairly reliable in cause and effect.
This power, this creator of parameters, we call God.
God is big, God is small, God is all in all.
If God is the universe, then you don't need to call it God, because we already have a perfectly good name for it: universe.

If God is physics (which seems to be what you're really getting at), we have a name for that already, too: physics.

Slapping some other name on it doesn't imbue it with some other properties. It is what it is. Here's the truth: you're not special, nor are any of us, nor is anything. Get over yourself, as though you're the center of the universe. You're just a bag of chemicals on an insignificant pebble in a vast expanse that is ultimately indifferent to your existence and antithetical to your survival.

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NDanger wrote:
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I don't know if that is true and doubtful you do too. My thinking is you are pulling this one directly out of your azz. It's really irrelevant to me what you or others think about Prayer, Faith and GOD... until it happens to you, you're just staring into empty space...
So, when Hindus pray to Ganesha and their request ends up coming to be, and they attribute that to Ganesha, that's bullshit. But, when Christians pray to God or Jesus and their request ends up coming to be, and they attribute that to God or Jesus, that's evidence that God is real. Gotcha.

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Actually, I admitted prayer is powerful. Until you've experienced it like faith, your words are empty...
Prayer has no power whatsoever. It doesn't change the outcome of anything. Every single scientific study of prayer has shown that praying has no different effect than not praying.

And as I pointed out, if God's will decrees that X will take place, you cannot change that. If you can change that then God's will is weak, and you end up with a God who isn't very godly after all.

If I were a Christian I would hope that prayer did NOT work, because if it did then I would have to conclude that we can change God's mind, which makes us wiser than him, which renders God meaningless.

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I don't know if that is true and doubtful you do too. My thinking is you are pulling this one directly out of your azz. It's really irrelevant to me what you or others think about Prayer, Faith and GOD... until it happens to you, you're just staring into empty space...
What do you think I'm making up, the fact that Hindus have seen some amazing things happen too when they pray to Ganesh, Vishnu, Krishna, etc.?

If so then you are clearly ignorant, in which case you should get off your high horse and humble yourself.

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NDanger wrote:
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Actually, I enjoy this as they try to debate Faith, Prayer and GOD...they can't...
Since you folks make the claims, it's up to you to provide proof.

You never do. All you do is ask us to disprove them.

Let's say that I claimed that you are a child molester, and I insisted that it isn't up to me to prove it. I know for a fact it's true, and it's up to YOU to prove you aren't a child molester.

Would you be okay with that scenario? I doubt it, yet that is exactly the position you put us in when you demand that we prove the non-existence of your God.

And you are right, we cannot debate people like you, since you are egotistical, self-righteous, illogical, irrational, in denial, and unable to back up your claims.

So let's agree to disagree: I can't prove your God doesn't exist, and you can't prove you aren't a child molester.

Therefore your God does exist and you are in fact a child molester.

And since your God despises child molesters and damns them all to hell, you're f-cked.

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NDanger wrote:
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It was proven to me,(evidential) that's all I need...
It matters not to me that you don't believe it...as a matter of fact, I couldn't give a shit...
It was proven to us that you fondle the genitals of three-year-olds.

That's all we need.

Checkmate, you ignorant pissant blowhard.

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NDanger wrote:
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Call it what you like...I'm not a gamblin' man...
Like it or not you gamble every day.

Every time you go to sleep at night you are gambling. You're betting that you will wake up the next day.

Every time you take a bite of food you are gambling. You;re betting that there is nothing harmful in the food that can harm you or kill you.

And every time you touch the genitals of a three-year-old you are gambling. You're betting that no one will catch you in the act, or that the child won't squeal.

So you see, you are a gamblin' man after all.

And eventually one day your luck will run out.
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HighlyEvolved wrote:
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It was proven to us that you fondle the genitals of three-year-olds.
That's all we need.
Checkmate, you ignorant pissant blowhard.
You seem to have this pedophile fetish. Is there something you are trying to tell us?

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