Me Myself and I

Charleston, WV

#1809 Apr 22, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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lamb's book of life?.....bwhahahhahahahahah.. ..and I surmise you got a personal copy underneath your pillow, right...bwhahahhahahahha....go get your cookies and milk and kiss mommy goodnight....
You ole lover of your daddy. Idiotic atheists like you come and go. Atheism is dying and good riddance to bad rubbish.
Old GT

Carmel, IN

#1810 Apr 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
There is no evidence to back up the claim that God created the universe.
It's logically inept to jump from "We don't fully understand how the universe came to be" to "God therefore created it."
Of course, there are idiots on this thread who cannot understand why that isn't a fair leap.
To them I say, watch carefully. All I have to do is substitute "how the universe came to be" with something else to make you understand why your logic sucks.
"We don't fully understand WHY PEDOPHILES MOLEST CHILDREN. God therefore made them that way."
Are you really willing to allow that argument to stand? We don't understand 'x' therefore God is the reason for 'x'- is that what you want us to believe is true?
I'm still waiting for one of the idiots to prove their God exists, let alone prove that he created anything.
Belief in God is faith. It is voluntary. You will not be forced to believe in God through proof. The tomb was empty. The evidence was an empty tomb.
God is not going to force you to think He exists. God wants faith.
However, He does say that this will be seen as foolishness by those who are perishing, 1 Co 1:18.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1811 Apr 22, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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think again...you are a christian and catholic until excommunicated....read the rules mental giant that you are...
Newton was Anglican.

"Newton was born into an Anglican family three months after the death of his father, a prosperous farmer also named Isaac Newton."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s...
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1812 Apr 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
If you are truly laughing out loud, there are mental health professionals that may be able to help you.
<quoted text>
With all your setbacks, do you really believe they helped you?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1813 Apr 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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You're busted for being illiterate. Read the Einstein quote you posted once more.
Then read this one:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." -
Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.
And this one:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Albert Einstein, Gutkind Letter (3 January 1954), "Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear". The Guardian. 13 May 2008.
And, of course, this one:
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature." - Albert Einstein, The World as I See It, Secaucus, New Jersy: The Citadel Press, 1999, p. 5.
Einstein didn't believe in a personal God, nor a God who had a hand in human endeavor, nor did he believe that humans have souls.
Tell me, please, how that qualifies him as a religious person?
Yet he still believed in a higher power which means he wasn't an atheist. Don't take my word for it' take his word for it.

When asked whether he believes in the God of Spinoza,

I can't answer with a simple yes or no.I'M NOT AN ATHEIST and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things.

Albert Einstein

Einstein said he was not an atheist and the discussion was whether he was or not.

He was not.
Me Myself and I

Charleston, WV

#1814 Apr 22, 2013
madscot wrote:
<quoted text>
I will make you a deal. I will prove your god doesn't exist. But you have to do something first. You have to prove that invisble unicorns don't exist. Is it a deal?
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/life/tenhealin...
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1815 Apr 22, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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you don't prove negatives, dumb a$$...take a logic class...
Of course you can prove a negative.

2+2 is not 5

There are no full grown living African elephants in my garage.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1816 Apr 22, 2013
"The highest principles for our aspirations and judgments are given to us in the Jewish-Christian religious tradition. It is a very high goal which, with our weak powers, we can reach only very inadequately, but which gives a sure foundation to our aspirations and valuations. If one were to take that goal out of its religious form and look merely at its purely human side, one might state it perhaps thus: free and responsible development of the individual, so that he may place his powers freely and gladly in the service of all mankind. "

Albert Einstein
Address at Princeton Theological Seminary,
May 29, 1939; published in Out of My Later Years, New York: Philosophical Library, 1950.

LOL.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#1817 Apr 22, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
CONCLUSIONS: Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on complication-free recovery from CABG, but certainty of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a higher incidence of complications.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#1818 Apr 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Of course you can prove a negative.
2+2 is not 5
There are no full grown living African elephants in my garage.
1. 2.5 + 2.5 is 5

2. How do you know there isn't an invisble one in there. Isn't God invisble?

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#1819 Apr 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I understand that Newton rejected the trinity but as I am not a believer, I have no vested interest here.
Thank you for responding.
<quoted text>
He also thought that figs would make a good cookie.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1820 Apr 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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First of all, you claimed Einstein believed in a static universe. That is clearly not true. Einstein originally proposed that the universe was static but later admitted he was wrong. His final position was that the universe is expanding.
Your claim is similar to me saying that your mother breast feeds you. She may have done so when you were a child, but no longer does.
I hope so, anyway...
So right off the bat you were proved wrong, but you didn't admit it. Instead you called me an idiot.
Coming from a liar such as yourself, that's irrelevant.
As for proof that the universe is expanding, the evidence is as overwhelming.
Hubble's observed that the red shift of galaxies was directly proportional to the distance of the galaxy from earth. That meant that things farther away from Earth were moving away faster. In other words, the universe must be expanding. The ratio of distance to redshift was 170 kilometers/second per light year of distance, now called Hubble's constant. And since 1929, no one has been able to disprove it.
The universe is expanding, which means there was a Big Bang, which means your Bible is wrong and your God is non-existent.
If that doesn't make you weep, then this will: your waistline is expanding at an even faster rate.
So when he originally said it, did he believe it?

If so, Einstein believed in a static universe even if he eventually did not. Seems simple enough.

Einstein’s Static Universe
http://maneps-scientific.blogspot.com/2011/02...
Old GT

Carmel, IN

#1821 Apr 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Of course you can prove a negative.
2+2 is not 5
There are no full grown living African elephants in my garage.
I think not having elephants in your garage would be a positive.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1822 Apr 22, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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According to most scholars, Newton was Arian, not holding to Trinitarianism.
"In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin." - Westfall, Richard S.(1994). The Life of Isaac Newton. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Don't ever forget, also, that Newton was an alchemist, and he spent a good portion of his life trying to turn iron and lead into gold.


Perhaps but he certainly wasn't a fan of atheism.

"Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors."

Isaac Newton
Brewster, Sir David. A Short Scheme of the True Religion, manuscript quoted in Memoirs of the Life, Writings and Discoveries of Sir Isaac Newton Edinburgh, 1850.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1823 Apr 22, 2013
madscot wrote:
<quoted text>
1. 2.5 + 2.5 is 5
2. How do you know there isn't an invisble one in there. Isn't God invisble?
Ah, dazzle the opposition with math computations.
Let me try that

1.25+ 1.25 +1.25 +1.25 = 5
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1824 Apr 22, 2013
Old GT wrote:
<quoted text>I think not having elephants in your garage would be a positive.
Especially two because two negatives make a positive.
15th Dalai Lama

Santa Fe, NM

#1825 Apr 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you can prove a negative.
2+2 is not 5
There are no full grown living African elephants in my garage.
OK. Go ahead. Prove two plus two is not five.
This should be entertaining.

We'll get to the elephant later. What do you feed it? It must shít a lot.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#1826 Apr 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Last time I checked I was catholic and since my list is longer than your list, you become the fundie by default.God bless you, too.
Fallopius,Roman Catholic, for whom the Fallopian tube was named, was an eminent physiologist.
Braille, Roman Catholic, invented the Braille system for the blind.
De Chauliac, Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of modern surgery and hospitals.
Columbo, Roman Catholic, discovered the pulmonary circulation of the blood.
Eustachius, Roman Catholic, for whom the Eustachian tube was named, was one of the founders of modern anatomy.
Kircher, Roman Catholic priest, made the first definite statement of the germ theory of disease
Lancist, Roman catholic, a Papal physician, was the father of clinical medicine.
Lavoisier, Roman Catholic, is called Father of Modern Chemistry.
Muller, Roman Catholic, was the greatest biologist of the 19th century, founder of modern physiology.
Pasteur, Roman Catholic, called the "Father of Bacteriology," and inventor of bio-therapeutics, was the leading scientist of the 19th century.
Theodoric, Roman Catholic Bishop, discovered anesthesia in the 13th century.
Vesalius, Roman Catholic, was the founder of modern anatomical science.
Carrell,Roman catholic, Nobel prize winner in medicine and physiology, is renowned for his work in surgical technique.
Fabricius, Roman Catholic, discovered the valvular system of the veins.
Laennec, Roman Catholic, invented the stethoscope.
Malpighi,Roman Catholic, a Papal physician, was a botanist, and the father of comparative physiology.
Morgagni,Roman Catholic, founder of modern pathology; made important studies in aneurisms.
Gregory Mendel, Roman Catholic, was the father of genetics
Copernicus, Romsan Catholic priest, expounded the Copernican system.
Galileo,Roman Catholic, astronomer, is the father of experimental science.
Georges Lemaitre, Roman Catholic priest, is the Father of the Big bang Theory.
Guttenberg, Roman Catholic, invented the printing press.
Enrico Fermi, Roman Catholic, pioneer in atomic physics.
SHeeSH!
If you think on it, if it wasn't for The Catholic Church Jesus founded, we'd be a flat earth society dying young of minor diseases.

Jesus showed The Way.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1827 Apr 22, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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OK. Go ahead. Prove two plus two is not five.
This should be entertaining.
We'll get to the elephant later. What do you feed it? It must shít a lot.


We all know that two plus two is four and the law of non contradiction states that something cannot be both true and not true at the same time when dealing with the same context.
Now if you believe I am wrong I will give you two dollars plus two more dollars and you can give me five dollars back.We will repeat the test until you realize I have proven two plus two is not five or until you are broke, which ever comes first. On tho the elephants
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#1828 Apr 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Yet he still believed in a higher power which means he wasn't an atheist. Don't take my word for it' take his word for it.
When asked whether he believes in the God of Spinoza,
I can't answer with a simple yes or no.I'M NOT AN ATHEIST and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things.
Albert Einstein
Einstein said he was not an atheist and the discussion was whether he was or not.
He was not.
The fledgling Jewish nation of Israel would not ask an atheist to be their first Prime Minister.
Einstein declined the honor.

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