Jeff

San Jose, CA

#990 Apr 10, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
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and there was a time when Christians swore the sun rotated around the earth because the bible said so, then came galileo... guess who was proven right...
The Bible is written primarily from man's perspective when it describes his environment. Even today, it does look to us that the sun goes around the earth. People still speak of the sun rising and setting. Hope this helps.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#991 Apr 10, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The resurrection of Christ is the best attested event of ancient history because it has multiple eyewitness accounts with known historical figures. These accounts were written during the lifetimes of the eyewitnesses and enemies of Christ.
It was close to 100 years after Jesus death before the first of the gospels were written.In that time few people lived past fifty making your statement very unlikely.

Today,courts are reconsidering the value of eyewitness testimony, which has put many innocent people in jail.

Reasons why Eyewitness Testimony is the Least Reliable Form of Evidence
http://onlinehelp4students.blogspot.com/2011/...

“I never LQQK back, soooooooooo”

Since: Nov 12

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#992 Apr 10, 2013
Reality wrote:
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How about the universe always has been just like you claim your bible god always has been..
When your bible was written those ancients didn't even know what the universe was LOL..That's why they thought the devil could take Jesus into a very high mountain and show him all the kingdoms of the world from the middle east, including those on the opposite side of the globe..Pretty silly isn't it..Go figure..
The men who were divinely inspired to write the books of the Bible, did their best at describing things that at that time, there was no precedent or description for. God made man smart, He gave us things to ponder on, like the Heavens, the Earth, the Sea, etc... Knowing that if we truly had a desire to understand His word, we would make the connections when the time was right. If you have read the book of Revelation, you know that it was the only book in the Bible that was written in a entirely prophetic manor. John did his best to describe for us what was to come, given his personal experience and limited knowledge of what the future held. He knew there would be a "beast," he knew there would be things that looked like they had many arms and legs. He called them things like lambs, dragons, serpents, etc... based on their intent and the way they appeared to him, during his inspiration to write the book.
My personal belief is that the computer is "the beast." There is already virtual money, bit coins, that can only be accessed by virtual transactions. John probably saw visions of the head and wrist being held up to the beast, making the mark of the beast be in those places. There are already computers that scan retinas and hand/palm prints. And all the wires, networks, search engines could appear like many headed dragons and serpents, to a man who had never seen anything like it before.
I guess my point is, the authors of the books of the Bible did their best. We are not dumb creatures. If we want to understand God's word, we will apply ourselves and pray for discernment. If you want to make fun of the Bible, that's obviously your choice.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#994 Apr 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Some of Satan's children can be saved. But many have crossed the line of no return.
"God gave them up"
You were very clear: Satan and his children cannot be saved. Do you recant your previous words?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#995 Apr 10, 2013
Roxxanna29 wrote:
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The men who were divinely inspired to write the books of the Bible, did their best at describing things that at that time, there was no precedent or description for. God made man smart, He gave us things to ponder on, like the Heavens, the Earth, the Sea, etc... Knowing that if we truly had a desire to understand His word, we would make the connections when the time was right. If you have read the book of Revelation, you know that it was the only book in the Bible that was written in a entirely prophetic manor. John did his best to describe for us what was to come, given his personal experience and limited knowledge of what the future held. He knew there would be a "beast," he knew there would be things that looked like they had many arms and legs. He called them things like lambs, dragons, serpents, etc... based on their intent and the way they appeared to him, during his inspiration to write the book.
My personal belief is that the computer is "the beast." There is already virtual money, bit coins, that can only be accessed by virtual transactions. John probably saw visions of the head and wrist being held up to the beast, making the mark of the beast be in those places. There are already computers that scan retinas and hand/palm prints. And all the wires, networks, search engines could appear like many headed dragons and serpents, to a man who had never seen anything like it before.
I guess my point is, the authors of the books of the Bible did their best. We are not dumb creatures. If we want to understand God's word, we will apply ourselves and pray for discernment. If you want to make fun of the Bible, that's obviously your choice.
Seems it would have made more sense for an omnipotent God to divinely inspire people to simply write things down that are factually accurate. Just put the correct information in their heads for them to transcribe. But, why should an omnipotent God do things in a way that makes sense?
Reality

San Diego, CA

#996 Apr 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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They didn't have nukes.
Mark 13:19-20 (NKJV)
19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
The time is at hand.
I think you just blew it billy boy.."but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days????

Why would "he" shorten the days for the elect's sake if they are going to heaven when they die..That makes about as much sense as the drug altered mind that wrote Revelations..

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#997 Apr 10, 2013
Roxxanna29 wrote:
Part of what feels so good about believing in God...
And that's the point, isn't it? How it feels, not whether it's true.

Since: Jul 12

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#998 Apr 10, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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You were very clear: Satan and his children cannot be saved. Do you recant your previous words?
There's an invisible line that only God can see. Those who cross it:
"God gave them up"

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#999 Apr 10, 2013
Reality wrote:
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I think you just blew it billy boy.."but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days????
Why would "he" shorten the days for the elect's sake if they are going to heaven when they die..That makes about as much sense as the drug altered mind that wrote Revelations..
Since God is the Author you'll have to say He 'blew it'.
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#1000 Apr 10, 2013
Dolly's Bellend is always messing up like that.
LowellGuy wrote:
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You were very clear: Satan and his children cannot be saved. Do you recant your previous words?
LGK

Wrexham, UK

#1001 Apr 10, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
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bwhahahahhahaha... what an idiot you are lgk....you are going to show us scientifically... mwahahhahahahah.... present to the National Academy of Science.. they need a good laugh....
what don't you visit the Smithsonian and present your case.... I would love to see that interaction
"Ha ha ha" allows you to save face & hide the fact you haven't got shred of evidence for your belief in a billion+ year old earth. You took it all on faith.

However, if you do find what you can call your best evidence my offer still stands to examine it for you & I still promise not to use any insults.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#1002 Apr 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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There's an invisible line that only God can see. Those who cross it:
"God gave them up"
Oh, the Bible says there's some invisible line? Please, show us where the Bible says that. It's a shame when you have to make things up to justify your own lies.
Reality

San Diego, CA

#1003 Apr 10, 2013
Roxxanna29 wrote:
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The men who were divinely inspired to write the books of the Bible, did their best at describing things that at that time, there was no precedent or description for.
Your god has the power & knowledge to create the universe but couldn't inspire his chosen men to write a book with some simple scientific facts so people could believe it in today's world? Your god said he is unwilling that any should perish but couldn't inspire his men that the earth was not flat? That makes as much sense as a river flowing up hill..

The earth has almost 7 billion people alive today..If this god wanted these people to believe this book, it wouldn't say the devil took Jesus to a very high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the earth..In today's world we all know that's not possible and counterproductive of your gods desires..

Since: Jul 12

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#1004 Apr 10, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Oh, the Bible says there's some invisible line? Please, show us where the Bible says that. It's a shame when you have to make things up to justify your own lies.
Don't blame me for your ignorance and lies.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#1005 Apr 10, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Don't blame me for your ignorance and lies.
But I do.

Who else teaches kids the earth is thousands of years old?

Who else teach kids that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time?

Who else teaches young parents NOT to get their children protected from diseases with vaccinations/vaccines?

Who else would buy a book called To Train Up A Child written by a Pastor that would have you "Train up a child in the way that advocates beating them on the back of the legs with a switch at 4 months old.
http://www.examiner.com/article/another-child...

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#1006 Apr 10, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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There was a time before the 1920's that people used to think the universe was eternal which contradicted Genesis 1:1, written thousands of years ago stated that the universe had beginning. Guess who was proven right?
why would you believe that? them say scientist also say earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is greater than 14 billion years old.

What you got for the age of the universe from the bible 6000 to 10,000 years old.Right?????
LGK

Wrexham, UK

#1007 Apr 10, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
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you are going to prove to us radiometric testing doesn't work...bwhhaahhahahahahaha... that's rich...
Modern radiometric dating
Radiometric dating continues to be the predominant way scientists date geologic timescales. Techniques for radioactive dating have been tested and fine-tuned for the past 50+ years. Forty or so different dating techniques have been utilized to date, working on a wide variety of materials. Dates for the same sample using these different techniques are in very close agreement on the age of the material.
Possible contamination problems do exist, but they have been studied and dealt with by careful investigation, leading to sample preparation procedures being minimized to limit the chance of contamination. Hundreds to thousands of measurements are done daily with excellent precision and accurate results. Even so, research continues to refine and improve radiometric dating to this day.[citation needed]
There are logical, empirical & historical reasons why radio isotope dating cannot be reliable.

LOGICAL: We don't & can't measure the past, we measure the present then extrapolate into the past based on assumptions. There are at least 4 such assumptions, unprovable at best & at worst totally false.

(1) initial conditions e.g. Proportion of parent:daughter isotope, billions of years ago, in the rock sample are known

(2) the rock, for billions of years has not lost or gained material other than via decay despite that some of the isotopes are water soluble

(3) the rate of decay has always been constant

(4) with C-14, the amount of atmospheric C-14 has equilibrated (this is now known to be false)

I'll leave it at this for now, the point is well made. If any of the assumptions are false, all bets are off, all radio-isotope dates are the equivalent of measuring length with a ruler whose markings change. With the best will & funding in the world no-one can know what the initial conditions of any rock were thousands, let alone billions of years ago.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1008 Apr 10, 2013
Most believers, of all religions, would agree that the nature of “God” is on a much different level than the nature of human beings. Most believers ascribe the superior qualities of omnipotence and omniscience to their concept of “God”, yet most believers also ascribe ordinary human characteristics to their concept of “God”. How is it possible that an omnipotent, omniscient “God” could experience the ordinary human emotions of surprise, anger, jealousy, or experience the feeling of being offended by the actions of lesser beings?
LGK

Wrexham, UK

#1009 Apr 10, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Not if whoever wrote it was alive to witness the event prophesied.
Cyrus the Great (576 BC–530 BC)–“Deutero-Isaiah (chapters 40–55), is the work of a 6th-century BCE author…”- Herbert G May and Bruce M. Metzger, The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha.
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The similarities confirm your belief while the dissimilarities don’t; so you ignore the dissimilarities and your belief is confirmed. It’s not that complicated.
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I find that very frequently my thoughts have already been expressed more eloquently than I could have by others, so I use the quote.
“Our best thoughts come from others.”- Ralph Waldo Emerson
The book of Isaiah was written 200 years before the event it prophesied about the fall of Babylon so the objection, "if whoever wrote it was alive at the time" is absurd. It smacks of denying the evidence no matter what.

The question with the Titanic is NOT are there similarities, it's why are there similarities? There are no beliefs but questions brought to the evidence. As it happens, I have no beliefs ie I don't know what to believe about the Titan & the Titanic, something very strange went on there. The similarities are independent of anyone's belief & exist regardless. I think you either do not understand what's going on here or you are so committed to your dogma no amount of evidence will make you stop & think. You have so strong a faith in scientism most Christians could kill just to have it.

The people you quote, if in context, have put the logical fallacies more eloquently than you could have. Perhaps you should start thinking or yourself.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#1011 Apr 10, 2013
LGK wrote:
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There are logical, empirical & historical reasons why radio isotope dating cannot be reliable.
LOGICAL: We don't & can't measure the past, we measure the present then extrapolate into the past based on assumptions. There are at least 4 such assumptions, unprovable at best & at worst totally false.
(1) initial conditions e.g. Proportion of parent:daughter isotope, billions of years ago, in the rock sample are known
(2) the rock, for billions of years has not lost or gained material other than via decay despite that some of the isotopes are water soluble
(3) the rate of decay has always been constant
(4) with C-14, the amount of atmospheric C-14 has equilibrated (this is now known to be false)
I'll leave it at this for now, the point is well made. If any of the assumptions are false, all bets are off, all radio-isotope dates are the equivalent of measuring length with a ruler whose markings change. With the best will & funding in the world no-one can know what the initial conditions of any rock were thousands, let alone billions of years ago.
All this has been thoroughly debunked numerous times.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/cre...

Even with out this the earth is covered with what is left of many huge earth asteroid implants craters. India has old lava flows over a mile thick that covered over 300,000 square miles.

In the US we have Yellowstone super-volcano that has went boom numerous times as plate tectonics mover the United States continual plate AKA continental drift over the hot spot.going back at least 17 million years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Cald...

Hawaiian islands formed by hotspot volcan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii_hotspot

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