Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#708 Apr 7, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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The Light of Christ just RADIATES out from you doesn't it?(((shakes head)))
h, and you're also a LIAR:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche
Nietzsche's mental illness was originally diagnosed as tertiary syphilis, in accordance with a prevailing medical paradigm of the time.

Although most commentators regard his breakdown as unrelated to his philosophy, Georges Bataille drops dark hints ("'man incarnate' must also go mad")[86]

and René Girard's postmortem psychoanalysis posits a worshipful rivalry with Richard Wagner.[87]

The diagnosis of syphilis was challenged, and manic-depressive illness with periodic psychosis, followed by vascular dementia was put forward by Cybulska.[88] prior Schain's.[89] Leonard Sax, after a review of the medical evidence, concluded that the slow growth of a right-sided retro-orbital meningioma, not syphilis, is the most plausible explanation of Nietzsche’s dementia.[90] Orth and Trimble postulate frontotemporal dementia,[91] while other researchers[92] proposed a syndrome called CADASIL.
In 1898 and 1899 Nietzsche suffered at least two strokes, which partially paralysed him and left him unable to speak or walk. After contracting pneumonia in mid-August 1900 he had another stroke during the night of August 24–25, and died about noon on August 25.[
WHAT?!?!?

"Georges B. drops dark hints ("'man incarnate' must also go mad")
and René Girard's postmortem psychoanalysis?"

You are basing your philosophy on a syphilitic creep's "postmortem psychoanalysis?" and 'dark hints'??

WhoaHa, and you of the "elite intelligentsia" call Christians on Faith?

Yee-Haaw! Now that's funny,I don't care who you are.
Phoenix

Humble, TX

#709 Apr 7, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>ROFLMAO, Now you know the fate of your religion.

Many reputable scholar DO NOT believe many of the stories as told in the Bible are true.
That's their right to think that as it is a believer's right to believe in God.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#710 Apr 7, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFLMAO, Now you know the fate of your religion.
Many reputable scholar DO NOT believe many of the stories as told in the Bible are true.
The problem is that they have no counter facts to back up their beliefs.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#711 Apr 7, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The problem is that they have no counter facts to back up their beliefs.
LOL, Not even George Bush believes that.

Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

LOL, yes they do.Noah's flood was local not world wide. Do rabbits chew cud? NO they do not. From the Bible physical illness is sometimes caused by Satan and demons, as the four gospels show. Other times physical illness is a result of sin in one's life.

Today we know most disease are caused by virus and bacteria.

Real funny part is you don't believe the bible as literal truth unless you believe in unicorns,satyrs (men with goat legs), cockatrices (rooster-serpents that kill when looked upon) and a race of Giants.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#712 Apr 7, 2013
LGK wrote:
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If God's wrath is what fundies like me think it is then it's a very wise move to try & be on the right side of Him. It's not like one take Him on, is it?
Creation of free-will imposes a constraint on God on what people choose to do. It is optimization because that's the logical path to creating a future world in which only those who want to be with God are with God. It also allows those who don't want to be with Him to be elsewhere and of their free-will. That sounds pretty stright forward to me. That's why we have imperfection in this world.
It's scary that that makes sense to you.
I suggest that instead of trying to convince yourself of God and denying you're not convinced, you let God convince YOU of Him!

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#714 Apr 8, 2013
LGK wrote:
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You missed a simple point. God made beings with free-will which necessarily has the capability to choose (otherwise it's not free) to bring about imperfections. A related concept is constrained optimisation.
Am I saying God is constrained!!! He cannot lie, steal, cheat, covet etc, ect. QED
A perfect person with free will would make perfect decisions, which must necessarily negate your argument. Whoopsy, it looks like logic has failed you again.
Black Deal

United States

#715 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
<quoted text>A perfect person with free will would make perfect decisions, which must necessarily negate your argument. Whoopsy, it looks like logic has failed you again.
Aint nobody perfect dumbass
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#716 Apr 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The problem is that the NT writers never use Hercules or any myths to describe Christ and His work. No reputable scholar makes this claim. So y do u?
All ancient cultures had their myths and legends, although no one ever considers their particular legends to be mythological. The New Testament writers used Jewish mythology not Greek mythology and embellished it. Myths are generally embellishments of historical events, real people, or allegory taken as literal truth.

“In the more commonly accepted motif of a dying god, the deity goes away and does not return. The less than widely accepted motif of a dying-and-rising god refers to a deity which returns, is resurrected or is reborn, in either a literal or symbolic sense.…a number of gods [Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Tammuz, Ra the Sun god, Osiris, Jesus, and Dionysus]… would fit these motifs…” David Adams Leeming, Professor Emeritus of English and Comparative Literature at the University of Connecticut
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#719 Apr 8, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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All ancient cultures had their myths and legends, although no one ever considers their particular legends to be mythological. The New Testament writers used Jewish mythology not Greek mythology and embellished it. Myths are generally embellishments of historical events, real people, or allegory taken as literal truth.
“In the more commonly accepted motif of a dying god, the deity goes away and does not return. The less than widely accepted motif of a dying-and-rising god refers to a deity which returns, is resurrected or is reborn, in either a literal or symbolic sense.…a number of gods [Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Tammuz, Ra the Sun god, Osiris, Jesus, and Dionysus]… would fit these motifs…” David Adams Leeming, Professor Emeritus of English and Comparative Literature at the University of Connecticut
Again, there is not one shred of evidence that the gospel writers used any of the pagan myths to describe Christ and His work.

Where is the evidence in the original writings of these pagan myths of "[Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Tammuz, Ra the Sun god, Osiris, Jesus, and Dionysus]…" that they rose from the dead? Let's focus on one of them: Osiris. Please show me in the original documents of the Osiris cult that he rose from the dead. I'm sure you also would want to see this so as know with certainty this was indeed the case. Right?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#720 Apr 8, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, Not even George Bush believes that.
Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."
LOL, yes they do.Noah's flood was local not world wide. Do rabbits chew cud? NO they do not. From the Bible physical illness is sometimes caused by Satan and demons, as the four gospels show. Other times physical illness is a result of sin in one's life.
Today we know most disease are caused by virus and bacteria.
Real funny part is you don't believe the bible as literal truth unless you believe in unicorns,satyrs (men with goat legs), cockatrices (rooster-serpents that kill when looked upon) and a race of Giants.
Lets look at rabbits--"the Hebrew phrase for ‘chew the cud’ simply means ‘raising up what has been swallowed’. Coneys and rabbits go through such similar motions to ruminants that Linnaeus, the father of modern classification (and a creationist), at first classified them as ruminants. Also, rabbits and hares practice refection, which is essentially the same principle as rumination, and does indeed ‘raise up what has been swallowed’. The food goes right through the rabbit and is passed out as a special type of dropping. These are re-eaten, and can now nourish the rabbit as they have already been partly digested.

It is not an error of Scripture that ‘chewing the cud’ now has a more restrictive meaning than it did in Moses’ day. Indeed, rabbits and hares do ‘chew the cud’ in an even more specific sense." http://creation.com/do-rabbits-chew-their-cud
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#724 Apr 8, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O siris
unless you are versed in the reading of Egyptian hieroglyphs, the legends of Osiris are inscribed in temple walls ....all originals .. unlike the copies of copies of copies of the bible...
keep trying jeff
Ok. What do the walls say? Where does it mention Osiris rose from the dead?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#727 Apr 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, there is not one shred of evidence that the gospel writers used any of the pagan myths to describe Christ and His work.
Where is the evidence in the original writings of these pagan myths of "[Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Tammuz, Ra the Sun god, Osiris, Jesus, and Dionysus]…" that they rose from the dead? Let's focus on one of them: Osiris. Please show me in the original documents of the Osiris cult that he rose from the dead. I'm sure you also would want to see this so as know with certainty this was indeed the case. Right?
If you will read more carefully I said they used Jewish mythology and embellished it. The examples of pagan gods were only examples of similar mythology from other cultures.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#728 Apr 8, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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If you will read more carefully I said they used Jewish mythology and embellished it. The examples of pagan gods were only examples of similar mythology from other cultures.
Where is the proof that "they used Jewish mythology and embellished it"? All you are doing is asserting it. You need facts to prove it.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#729 Apr 8, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
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I posted the link ... are you too lazy to click on it and read for yourself....
Osiris is first attested in the middle of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt, although it is likely that he was worshipped much earlier;[4] the term Khenti-Amentiu dates to at least the first dynasty, also as a pharaonic title. Most information we have on the myths of Osiris is derived from allusions contained in the Pyramid Texts at the end of the Fifth Dynasty, later New Kingdom source documents such as the Shabaka Stone and the Contending of Horus and Seth, and much later, in narrative style from the writings of Greek authors including Plutarch[5] and Diodorus Siculus.[6]
Osiris was considered not only a merciful judge of the dead in the afterlife, but also the underworld agency that granted all life, including sprouting vegetation and the fertile flooding of the Nile River. He was described as the "Lord of love",[7] "He Who is Permanently Benign and Youthful"[8] and the "Lord of Silence".[9] The Kings of Egypt were associated with Osiris in death — as Osiris rose from the dead they would, in union with him, inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic.
Jeff's homeschooling didn't include classical history. Gotta remember, it's not history if it's not in Jeff's bible..........LOL
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#730 Apr 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the proof that "they used Jewish mythology and embellished it"? All you are doing is asserting it. You need facts to prove it.
Jesus and the apostles were all Jews and Jesus was represented as the promised one of Jewish mythology.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#733 Apr 8, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
WHAT?!?!?
"Georges B. drops dark hints ("'man incarnate' must also go mad")
and René Girard's postmortem psychoanalysis?"
You are basing your philosophy on a syphilitic creep's "postmortem psychoanalysis?" and 'dark hints'??
WhoaHa, and you of the "elite intelligentsia" call Christians on Faith?
Yee-Haaw! Now that's funny,I don't care who you are.
You're none too bright, are you?

I quoted the Wiki bio of Neitsche which says he did NOT die of syphilis and that, while a few crackpots on YOUR "Christian" side "dropped dark hints" that he was being punished by your sick Torturer Jesus for being an open atheist, the scientists of that time and this present time think he simply had a brain tumor.

Your glee at his pain and suffering is sick and, of course UNCHRISTIAN.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#734 Apr 8, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the proof that "they used Jewish mythology and embellished it"? All you are doing is asserting it. You need facts to prove it.
The whole "Messiah is coming" nonsense is an embellishment by self-serving Christians of an earlier Jewish mythology.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#735 Apr 8, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
All ancient cultures had their myths and legends, although no one ever considers their particular legends to be mythological. The New Testament writers used Jewish mythology not Greek mythology and embellished it. Myths are generally embellishments of historical events, real people, or allegory taken as literal truth.
“In the more commonly accepted motif of a dying god, the deity goes away and does not return. The less than widely accepted motif of a dying-and-rising god refers to a deity which returns, is resurrected or is reborn, in either a literal or symbolic sense.…a number of gods [Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Tammuz, Ra the Sun god, Osiris, Jesus, and Dionysus]… would fit these motifs…” David Adams Leeming, Professor Emeritus of English and Comparative Literature at the University of Connecticut
The New Testament is based on Jesus Christ, not Jewish mythology.
The accounts therein testify to men's first-hand experiences of their faith validating the veracity of His Teachings.
The NT documents Jesus' Life and Times, and records His impact on humanity.
Oh,... and Lemming? He's talking about God in the context of literature - literary depictions of God.
The quote you cited isn't relevant to God being myth; it just "seems" supportive of the view He is.
Ah HA!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#737 Apr 8, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
The New Testament is based on Jesus Christ, not Jewish mythology.
The accounts therein testify to men's first-hand experiences of their faith validating the veracity of His Teachings.
The NT documents Jesus' Life and Times, and records His impact on humanity.
Oh,... and Lemming? He's talking about God in the context of literature - literary depictions of God.
The quote you cited isn't relevant to God being myth; it just "seems" supportive of the view He is.
Ah HA!
The Greeks, the Romans, the Celts, the Vikings, the Egyptians all believed in their religious traditions and gods just as sincerely as any Christian believes in his/hers. No culture has ever thought of their religious traditions as myths. They were unable to see their traditions and gods as mythology because they were unable to look at them objectively. You can see the mythology in those religions because you can look at them objectively. You cannot see your religious tradition any more objectively than they could theirs. You have faith just as they did.

The Christian myth starts with the Jewish myth of Adam and Eve. According to the Christian myth all humanity was condemned to eternal damnation because the sin of Adam and Eve. Jewish mythology had also developed the idea of a messiah (anointed one, khristos in Greek, Christ in English) who would come to liberate the Jews from their oppressors (the Romans during the time of Jesus). Of course after Jesus had been crucified by the Romans he could no longer be represented as the messiah who would liberate the Jews from the Romans so he had to be portrayed as the son of god who sacrificed himself to liberate all men from the sin of Adam and Eve if his teaching was to continue.

The Bible is literature, not dogma.~George Santayana

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#738 Apr 8, 2013
It makes sense that only a fool would say in their heart there is no god. Even Dawkins states he is an agnostic atheist. There is no scientific conclusion of a godless universe. In fact, there is no realistic explanation of how existence came about in the first place.
You'll see the foolishness being spoken of in militant atheists, like Hitchens, whose disbelief is contemptuous rather then logical.:)

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