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Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#419 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Naturalistic origin of life is impossible because it violates natural law. No amount of newer & newer information will make the impossible possible. I am stuck on talking donkeys and snakes, and a Jewish man nailed to a cross because this really happened.
Pontification is not evidence.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#420 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Naturalistic origin of life is impossible because it violates natural law. No amount of newer & newer information will make the impossible possible. I am stuck on talking donkeys and snakes, and a Jewish man nailed to a cross because this really happened.
bwhahahahahaha...yeah sure it did... so did the tooth fairy and easter bunny.......bwhahahahahhahahah ah....idiot...

go back to your cartoon channel...and some cookies and milk
LGK

Shrewsbury, UK

#421 Apr 5, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
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History
An early version of the Law of Conservation of Mass was stated by Roman poet Lucretius, who said, "Things cannot be born from nothing." Although Lucretius was expressing a philosophical idea and not necessarily a physics concept, he laid a foundation for future scientists to build upon. The Law of Conservation of Mass was first stated as a physical theory by Russian scientist Mikhail Lomonosov in 1748. This theory was later reiterated and confirmed by French scientist Antoine Lavoisier in 1789. Lavoisier verified his theory in practice by carrying out a number of carefully measured experiments in which he reacted tin and lead with oxygen.
Read more: About the Law of Conservation of Mass | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_4568411_law-conserv...
What was the carefully controlled experiment, would you please describe it, your attachment doesn't.

As for the conservation of mass, God said it first in Genesis chapter 20 before Lucretius or Lomonosov but don't forget to post experiment showing matter cannot be created.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#422 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Surely an all-knowing, all-powerful God can create faulty or none faulty humans. If He can't do this then He is neither all-knowing nor all-powerful. Think about it for a second, it's obvious.
So if this all-knowing, all-powerful god knowingly creates “faulty humans” and these “faulty humans” make mistakes why would this all-knowing, all-powerful god blame the “faulty humans” for being faulty?

"...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God." - Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#423 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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What was the carefully controlled experiment, would you please describe it, your attachment doesn't.
As for the conservation of mass, God said it first in Genesis chapter 20 before Lucretius or Lomonosov but don't forget to post experiment showing matter cannot be created.
Never hurts to read the Bible.

Genesis twenty says nothing of mass or energy. It is about Abimelech being decieved by Abrahan calling Sarah, his wife, his sister. God didn't kill Abimelech because apparently he did not sleep with her and god relented of his promised punishment and simply closed all the wombs of Abimelech's house.

Much more problematic is David passing off Michal, his beuatiful wife for whom he paid two hundred (or one hundred) foreskins of Philistines, as his sister, whom Phalti, the son of Laish, took to wife, so they wouldn't kill him off as he had killed Uriah to get in Bathsheba's pants.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#424 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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What was the carefully controlled experiment, would you please describe it, your attachment doesn't.
As for the conservation of mass, God said it first in Genesis chapter 20 before Lucretius or Lomonosov but don't forget to post experiment showing matter cannot be created.
What was the carefully controlled experiment? He just told you. Lavousier reacted lead and tin with oxygen. Since you are a scientifically illeterate know-nothing you will not be able to make the connection to the conservation of mass so I'll spell it out.

The total mass of the reactants equalled the total mass of the product. Therefore mass was conserved.

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#425 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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The Bible verses eg Romans, make statements that are either true or false. This is separate from whether they make one feel pressured or otherwise.
AFAIAC this does not change anything. I still think the verses you quoted are a form of peer-pressure.
LGK wrote:
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May I ask why you feel pressured?
May I ask why you think I feel pressured?

Since I'm not part of the peer group those verses are aimed at it would be impossible for me to feel pressured by them. However, this does not prevent me from recognizing they are using peer pressure. I know this because of my life experiences, stuff like

* being given a dares as a kid then having my mates call me chicken if I attempted to back out.
* being told I should join a union because everyone else was in one.
* being told I should learn to drive a car (because most people used them) rather than ride a motorcycle.

Over a period of time I learned to understand what was happening and developed ways to handle it.
LGK wrote:
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Also, what kind of evidence for God did you look for in the Bible & failed to find and, if there is evidence in the Bible would you accept it? This question screens out emotional from intellectual objections to God's existence.
This is not about me and my views regarding your deity. It's about why the biblical writers felt the need to use peer pressure at all. AFAIAC telling someone they are a fool for not believing is MUCH less effective than providing overwhelming evidence in a clear, concise manner.
LGK wrote:
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You still haven't explained the origin of natural laws. Yes they describe things, but why are there laws in the 1st place?
LGK wrote:
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Your adherence to scientism is betrayed by your faith in science's ability to explain the origin of the very laws on which it depends. And the question still stands: Please explain how the laws arose & why they exist, it is not an explanation to just describe the idea of laws or theories. I hope you understand the question.
I don't understand what you mean by "natural laws". Can you name a few? Are you asking (for example) about the origins of gravity?
LGK

Shrewsbury, UK

#426 Apr 5, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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So if this all-knowing, all-powerful god knowingly creates “faulty humans” and these “faulty humans” make mistakes why would this all-knowing, all-powerful god blame the “faulty humans” for being faulty?
"...if this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him? The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God." - Albert Einstein, Science and Religion (1941)
You raise the problem of evil, ie if God is all-powerful & all-good, why does evil exist? It's an old question that pre-supposes that there is no sufficient reason for evil to exist. The answer is simple: A sufficient reason for the existence of evil is the core-existence of free-will. God created beings with free-will meaning necessarily, they can choose to do evil ( otherwise they haven't got free will!)

The question also arises from a misunderstanding of "omnipotence." It does not mean ability to make logically inconsistent things like square circles. Free-will & inability to choose to do evil is as logically inconsistent as square circles. That's why evil exists in this creation, free-will puts evil on the menu.

With free-will also comes with accountability & that is the real source of conflict between those who accept God & those who reject Him. What they really reject is accountability. All this business about science removing the need for God etc is just excuses to avoid the pain of accountability. That's why the majority of atheist posts are emotional.
LGK

Shrewsbury, UK

#427 Apr 5, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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AFAIAC this does not change anything. I still think the verses you quoted are a form of peer-pressure.
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May I ask why you think I feel pressured?
Since I'm not part of the peer group those verses are aimed at it would be impossible for me to feel pressured by them. However, this does not prevent me from recognizing they are using peer pressure. I know this because of my life experiences, stuff like
* being given a dares as a kid then having my mates call me chicken if I attempted to back out.
* being told I should join a union because everyone else was in one.
* being told I should learn to drive a car (because most people used them) rather than ride a motorcycle.
Over a period of time I learned to understand what was happening and developed ways to handle it.
<quoted text>
This is not about me and my views regarding your deity. It's about why the biblical writers felt the need to use peer pressure at all. AFAIAC telling someone they are a fool for not believing is MUCH less effective than providing overwhelming evidence in a clear, concise manner.
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I don't understand what you mean by "natural laws". Can you name a few? Are you asking (for example) about the origins of gravity?
Do you get peer pressure from being told the truth about reality?

I see you've ducked the question on what evidence you've sought but not found in the Bible & that were such evidence produced would you accept it. I'm a little surprised this thread is not about your views on God when it is about His existence. Shall we take it you have no views on the thread that you are posting on?

Gravity is a force not a law, it's governed by the inverse square law & perhaps you could explain why this law exists and how it came about.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#428 Apr 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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God called you a fool.
Psalm 14:1 (NKJV)
1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
"...[W]hoever says,'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." Matthew 5:22

So, God is going to Hell. Nice one.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#429 Apr 5, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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How do you respect someone who in the name of science tells me that nothing can create something? Get serious.
Why can it not?

If you resort to common sense, remember that common sense is exactly why we have science: because just because we think it doesn't make it so. Science answers questions in consistently useful ways, and with a much greater success rate than "common sense."

If you think you have evidence, you have to demonstrate why nothing cannot create something. And, that leads you to this: http://youtu.be/cDmQINlntJ4

So...as soon as you've got something beyond "it simply can't be," you let us know, and I'll send in my nomination for your Nobel Prize in physics.

Krauss has simply posited what is a PLAUSIBLE explanation. He has not declared it conclusively so, nor even claimed that it's been demonstrated to any degree. He's merely put forth an explanation based on the evidence, which is not contradicted by the evidence, and which explains the evidence we find.

How did Krauss define "nothing?" If you know how he defined it, just say what the definition is. If you don't, admit it and be honest for once. STOP DODGING.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#430 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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What are the scientific experiments that show that matter or energy cannot be created? Atheist Bertrand Russell said that because science relies on induction, it can't prove anything. Do you think he was wrong?
Wrong. Science can prove what's wrong.

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Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#431 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Do you get peer pressure from being told the truth about reality?
I see you've ducked the question on what evidence you've sought but not found in the Bible & that were such evidence produced would you accept it. I'm a little surprised this thread is not about your views on God when it is about His existence. Shall we take it you have no views on the thread that you are posting on?
Gravity is a force not a law, it's governed by the inverse square law & perhaps you could explain why this law exists and how it came about.
Your illogic is based on your assumption that at some point in time time did not exist. Time and gravity are inextricable in our understanding of the universe. The explanation is far beyond the scope of your perverted grasp of science and a bit beyond mine though I will not waste my time and energy researching the matter further because trying to explain anything to you is a waste of time.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#432 Apr 5, 2013
Jeff, if you were not religious, would you be raping, killing, and stealing?

Please answer the question.
Konnon

Pittsburgh, PA

#433 Apr 5, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ……………… Soft Guys just dont fit in Girlies,,either
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#434 Apr 5, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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God called you a fool.
Psalm 14:1 (NKJV)
1 The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
No, YOU called him a fool, using an ancient, man-made text.

If you REALLY thought it was "God's Word," wouldn't you show it much more respect by NOT using it as a club to call other people you disagree with names?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#435 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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What are the scientific experiments that show that matter or energy cannot be created? Atheist Bertrand Russell said that because science relies on induction, it can't prove anything. Do you think he was wrong?
Explained to you MULTIPLE times, "philosopher" TWIT.

Science doesn't "prove things. It gathers evidence FOR a particular explanation (or scientific theory) and that explanation stands unless and until it is refuted by contradictory evidence.

In simple terms for an undergraduate philosopher wanna-be, science doesn't PROVE things, it can only DISprove them.

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#436 Apr 5, 2013
LGK wrote:
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Do you get peer pressure from being told the truth about reality?
I am unable to answer this question until someone actually tells me the "truth" about reality.
LGK wrote:
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I see you've ducked the question on what evidence you've sought but not found in the Bible & that were such evidence produced would you accept it.I'm a little surprised this thread is not about your views on God when it is about His existence. Shall we take it you have no views on the thread that you are posting on?
I do have views regarding your deity. However, AFAIAC, they do not have anything to do with the matter we are disussing - The reason(s) the biblical writers felt the need to use peer pressure rather than providing overwhelming evidence in a clear, concise manner.
LGK wrote:
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Gravity is a force not a law, it's governed by the inverse square law & perhaps you could explain why this law exists and how it came about.
Is this what you mean? I will assume it is.

"In physics, an inverse-square law is any physical law stating that a specified physical quantity or intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_l...

"A physical law or scientific law is, according to the Oxford English dictionary, "a theoretical principle deduced from particular facts, applicable to a defined group or class of phenomena, and expressible by the statement that a particular phenomenon always occurs if certain conditions be present."[1] Physical laws are typically conclusions based on repeated scientific experiments and observations over many years and which have become accepted universally within the scientific community. The production of a summary description of our environment in the form of such laws is a fundamental aim of science."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_law

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#437 Apr 5, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You don't understand what fine-tuned means. So let me describe it for you at a your grade level. Its like a race car that must have the right kind of gas to work properly. If you put water or oil in the tank it won't work. Or if you don't get this, then try baking a cake using motor oil and see what kind of cake you get. Even a cake is fine-tuned. How much more the universe.
"At a your grade level"? You're pretty stupid, Jeff. Please don;t assume you're smarter than me. You clearly aren't.

But since you brought it up, then tell me - is the winning lottery number fine-tuned? By your definition it is, yet every one with a functioning brain knows that the lottery numbers are randomly drawn. Just because someone holds the winning ticket doesn't mean it was "designed" that way, you idiot.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#438 Apr 5, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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"nothing" Can not exist.
Well,... AS OF YET "nothing" has never existed - if it had, it still would. Which is NOT to say "nothing" CAN NOT exist, or WILL NOT, in future.

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