Jeff

San Jose, CA

#310 Apr 4, 2013
angelfromhell1 wrote:
WHO WAS THIS GOD?
- God was his father
- He was born in a cowshed.
- A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.
- His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.
- At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
- He was powerless to perform miracles in his hometown.
- His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
- He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
- He had 12 disciples.
- He was accused of licentious behavior.
- He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
- He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world."
- He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
- After death, he descended into hell.
- On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
- The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers.
- He later ascended to heaven.
- His titles: God made flesh. Savior of the world Son of God.
- He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
- He will return in the last days.
- He will judge the human race at that time.
- Humans are separated from God by original sin. The godman's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.
Did you guess Jesus Christ? Well, again you'd be WRONG!! HE WAS... OSIRIS-DIONYSUS, an Egyptian God that existed thousands of years before Christ allegedly came around
Did you get this from the Zeitgeist movie? All this has been proven to be rubbish. No reputable scholars supports this junk because there is no proof for it.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#311 Apr 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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I noticed you haven't answered a question.
If you weren't religious, do you think you'd be out raping, killing, and stealing?
If you are an atheist-evolutionist all you could say is that these things happen and its all part of nature.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#312 Apr 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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I will take this as an admission that I'm right about you not having any idea how Lawrence Krauss defines "nothing," and that you were talking out of your ass (again). Don't think that we don't notice when you skip subjects when you've been busted. It's a common dishonest tactic. There's one thing you'll never do, and that's admit error. You are perfect in all thought, because God guides your thoughts. So, even if you say something demonstrably wrong, it doesn't matter, because if you don't admit it, it can't be REALLY wrong, and that means God is still on your side. You are such a petty little intellectual coward.
I don't think even Larry knows what nothing is. Maybe your smarter than Larry is. Tell us what nothing is. Can you at least do that?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#313 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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If you are an atheist-evolutionist all you could say is that these things happen and its all part of nature.
You still didn't answer the question.

If you were not religious, would you be raping, murdering, and stealing?

Answer the question.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#314 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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I don't think even Larry knows what nothing is. Maybe your smarter than Larry is. Tell us what nothing is. Can you at least do that?
I never said he knows what "nothing" is. He has never said he knows what "nothing" is. You cited Krauss and his universe from nothing. I wanted you to tell us how Krauss defines "nothing" to demonstrate the meaning of the argument you were using. Without that definition, the argument is completely meaningless. If you can't demonstrate knowledge of that definition, then your argument is based on a premise that doesn't exist. Arguments built upon false premises are, by definition, bullshit. So, either demonstrate that you understand what your argument's premise states, or admit that you're talking out of your ass. AGAIN.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#315 Apr 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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You still didn't answer the question.
If you were not religious, would you be raping, murdering, and stealing?
Answer the question.
You would have no good reason not to if you could get away with it. After all, if it ultimately does not matter and you won't be judged why not?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#316 Apr 4, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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I never said he knows what "nothing" is. He has never said he knows what "nothing" is. You cited Krauss and his universe from nothing. I wanted you to tell us how Krauss defines "nothing" to demonstrate the meaning of the argument you were using. Without that definition, the argument is completely meaningless. If you can't demonstrate knowledge of that definition, then your argument is based on a premise that doesn't exist. Arguments built upon false premises are, by definition, bullshit. So, either demonstrate that you understand what your argument's premise states, or admit that you're talking out of your ass. AGAIN.
Nonsense. I know what nothing is and so do you.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#317 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You would have no good reason not to if you could get away with it. After all, if it ultimately does not matter and you won't be judged why not?
You did not answer the question.

If you were not religious, would you be raping, killing, and stealing?

Answer the question.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#318 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Nonsense. I know what nothing is and so do you.
"Nothing" requires definition. How did Krauss define "nothing?" Your argument hinges upon it. Without demonstration of understanding that premise, your argument fails on its face. So, surely you do understand how he defined it, because you're not a liar. Therefore, you would not be unwilling to demonstrate your knowledge, because that would justify your argument, and your argument demonstrates the veracity of your claims. So, if your claims are correct, that understanding is necessary, and unless and until you demonstrate that understanding, it should be, and will be, understood that you don't know how he defined "nothing." But, you'll continue to avoid the question, as you always do, because answering questions leads necessarily to logical contradictions from which you cannot escape (except by leaving the thread, which you've done several times already).

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#319 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Telling yourself your life has meaning is like telling yourself you got an A in a course you never took.
I'm very sorry you don't enjoy your life. I certainly enjoy mine. The things I do have meaning for me and AFAIAC this is all that matters.
LGK

Warrington, UK

#320 Apr 4, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary." - Professor Stephen Hawking
ďÖif by 'God' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity." ~Carl Sagan
"There are cosmic laws, Dr. Hermanns [Dr. William Hermanns]. They cannot be bribed by prayers or incense..." - Albert Einstein
You are at risk of reasoning by citation chaff. All the above quotes

1. Don't account for origin of the laws & take them as a given.
2. Separate without justification & arbitrarily the universe from its laws

Sagan commits the fallacy of judging the existence of something by how he feels about it. The reality is nothing exists or doesn't exist because of how Sagan feels. Psychologists call this infantile reasoning people usually grow out of by the age of 2.

Einstein is the only one on the mark & doesn't deify laws of nature, today's scientist worships these laws by thinking that they created themselves or created the universe.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#323 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You would have no good reason not to if you could get away with it. After all, if it ultimately does not matter and you won't be judged why not?
And here you show us just how deeply sick you are deep inside. Thank goodness you ARE a Jesus Freak, hunh? Otherwise, who KNOWS what havoc you would wreak on innocent people around you! LOL
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#324 Apr 4, 2013
one way wrote:
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Again, know the Truth, and cease denying it, for in your denial of the evident truth publishes a foolishness. For all whom reject the manifested Lord God, the Lord God will also reject from his heaven and he will rightly throw them into hell. For you will love the Lord your God whom has made you, and him only will you worship.
Your religious beliefs are silly and childish, and your God, assuming he exists as you describe him, is a sick sadist.

Why would you worship a God who will torture you FOREVER without a break if you don't? Aside from fear, I guess....
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#325 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You can live your life anyway you want and you can tell yourself it has meaning. The problem is that it doesn't. Its a hopeless life. What will you do when you lose a loved one and realize that you will never see them again?
Fortunately for the rest of us, your sick view of other people's lives and motivations has no real bearing on how they live, love and enjoy their lives.

If someone feels their life has meaning, THE IT HAS MEANING! That;s what meaning IS, you fvcking IDIOT! It's the value WE ATTRIBUTE to our lives or to anything.

Actually, it's plain that YOU'RE the nihilist here, "Christian." All that busy-beaver Jesus Freaking and, deep inside, you are as empty as can be, aren't you? LOL!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#326 Apr 4, 2013
gump249 wrote:
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When it comes to the truth of Christ they have no clue period, the only reason there is anything called science is cause God invented it all period, the only thing that is eternal is Heaven or Hell and they are finding they cant be right about all there findings alot of times they cant explain it, cause God only wants us to know what we need to know for now, as far a science everything is happening now just the way God said it was cause he sets the scene's for everything and as far as 911 and other bad things going on, it is a wake up call to let us know there is more to come so you can reject Him or go with Him now cause one day doesent matter what scince people say or anybody we ALL our going to kneel and confess Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords Im Thankful Jesus didnt give up on me and so glad I will be with Jesus someday...
Learn to write, and especially to PUNCTUATE, then get back to us.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#327 Apr 4, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Good post.
Religion and science have no reason to be at odds.
Science is merely the search to explain God's creation.
And you probably wrote this without even the faintest sense of irony, didn't you? LOL

When "the search to explain God's creation" points squarely at evolution and a 4.5 billion year old earth, as it has for the past 150 years or so, intelligent, thoughtful people accept the finding so science and revamp their scriptural interpretations as false or inadequate.

THis is from Augustine of Hippo, a 3rd century father of the Christian church. He is talking RIGHT TO YOU!

Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.

The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books.

For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.[1 Timothy 1.7]
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#328 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Stop fooling yourself. If this is all the life you have then when you die its no more important than a slug. It's like a wisp of smoke. Here today gone tomorrow and forgotten.
That may be how YOU see life, deep down (despite all that frenetic Jesus Freakery to try and distract yourself).

But it's certainly not how the rest of us see life.

You are welcome to your sad little lifeóand your sad little torturer God.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#329 Apr 4, 2013
I happen to be reading "The Blind Assassin" by Margaret Attwood, in which I just read this passage:

"The cemetery has a wrought iron gate with an intricate scrollwork archway over it, and an inscription: "Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou are with me." Yes, it does feel deceptively safer with two; but THou is a slippery character. Every Thou I've known has had a way of going missing. They skip town or turn perfidious, or else they drop like flies, and then where are you?

Right about here."

GIllette: LOL!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#330 Apr 4, 2013
LGK wrote:
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You are at risk of reasoning by citation chaff. All the above quotes
1. Don't account for origin of the laws & take them as a given.
2. Separate without justification & arbitrarily the universe from its laws
Sagan commits the fallacy of judging the existence of something by how he feels about it. The reality is nothing exists or doesn't exist because of how Sagan feels. Psychologists call this infantile reasoning people usually grow out of by the age of 2.
Einstein is the only one on the mark & doesn't deify laws of nature, today's scientist worships these laws by thinking that they created themselves or created the universe.
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.- Albert Einstein

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." - Albert Einstein
LGK

Warrington, UK

#331 Apr 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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You would have no good reason not to if you could get away with it. After all, if it ultimately does not matter and you won't be judged why not?
Indeed. If it feels good, do it. Eat, drink & be merry for tomorrow you die. If atheism is true, there's no-one ultimately to be accountable to & it would wasteful not to live to the full even if that means rape. No-one of course lives like this because atheism is false, the atheists don't get it. If they get it, they suppress it. Otherwise they'd have stop being atheist and start worshiping God. I think you hit the nail on the head & our atheist friends have hardened their hearts.

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