downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2515 May 14, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Wrong. Abiogenesis is a field of study. There are various hypotheses as to how it occurred, but that it occurred is a fact. Do you disagree that abiogenesis (life arising from non-living matter) occurred?


The total number of tattoos on a person is a field of study too.
I disagree that life was randomly created from non living matter and I use the word 'random' to differentiate from a planned creation by an intelligent designer.

Can you show one instance of life being randomly created from non living matter? Just one. Didn't think so.

"The belief that life on earth arose spontaneously from non-living matter, is simply a matter of faith in strict reductionism and is based entirely on ideology."
Nuclear physicist and bioinformatician Dr. Hubert P. Yockey
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2516 May 14, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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NASA is working on collecting the evidence currently...by measuring the amount of dark matter and dark energy will determine if the universe will stop expanding and being collapsing on itself into a singularity...and the process will continue ad infinitum...
just as NASA proved the BIG BANG, they will prove many more things using the scientific method, not faith or wishful thinking or hopes or opinions or beliefs or legends or myths....


Georges Lemaitre ,Father of the Big Bang Theory, wrote that he believed that the universe had begun in light "as Genesis suggested it."

LOL.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2517 May 14, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Deniers are the ones looking stupid. God didn't create the universe. It always existed.
That's easier to believe than your invisible sky daddy having always existed. At least we know for a fact that the universe is real.
It may be easier for you to believe but most people wouldn't believe the universe always existed.

David Hilbert stated, "the infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite is solely that of an idea."
David Hume said it with a bit more fervor,"An infinite number of real parts of time passing in succession appears so evident a contradiction that no man whose judgement is not corrupted would ever be able to admit it."

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2518 May 14, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Georges Lemaitre ,Father of the Big Bang Theory, wrote that he believed that the universe had begun in light "as Genesis suggested it."
LOL.
Really?

"A year later, Lemaître explored the logical consequences of an expanding universe and boldly proposed that it must have originated at a finite point in time. If the universe is expanding, he reasoned, it was smaller in the past, and extrapolation back in time should lead to an epoch when all the matter in the universe was packed together in an extremely dense state. Appealing to the new quantum theory of matter, Lemaître argued that the physical universe was initially a single particle—the “primeval atom” as he called it—which disintegrated in an explosion, giving rise to space and time and the expansion of the universe that continues to this day. This idea marked the birth of what we now know as Big Bang cosmology.

It is tempting to think that Lemaître’s deeply-held religious beliefs might have led him to the notion of a beginning of time. After all, the Judeo-Christian tradition had propagated a similar idea for millennia. Yet Lemaître clearly insisted that there was neither a connection nor a conflict between his religion and his science. Rather he kept them entirely separate, treating them as different, parallel interpretations of the world, both of which he believed with personal conviction. Indeed, when Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith, Lemaître was rather alarmed. Delicately, for that was his way, he tried to separate the two:

“As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God… It is consonant with Isaiah speaking of the hidden God, hidden even in the beginning of the universe.”"

http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/w...

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Location hidden

#2519 May 14, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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NASA is working on collecting the evidence currently...by measuring the amount of dark matter and dark energy will determine if the universe will stop expanding and being collapsing on itself into a singularity...and the process will continue ad infinitum...
just as NASA proved the BIG BANG, they will prove many more things using the scientific method, not faith or wishful thinking or hopes or opinions or beliefs or legends or myths....
Nothing has been proved without the shadow of doubt about the big bang or what made the big bang. Its noting more than a theory. Like I said, who is to say in 100 years the big bang theory will be proven wrong with another theory. Over the last 200 years there have been several failed theories, and you know what there were even dumbasses back then that solidly believed those theories just like you believe you know everything about the big bang. Who's to say God didnt make the big bang happen, but the way it happened is so complex, humans will never be able to fully comprehend it?
JJJ

Surry Hills, Australia

#2520 May 14, 2013
And of course honesty dictates that faith and theory aside we admit....

We simply don't know......

Was there ever a beginning? Apparently not. The 1st law of thermodynamics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely transformed....

So apparently energy has always been in existence...eternity, the alpha and the omega (god if it makes you feel better)

So the religious get all in a twist about creation and the scientists shout no, no it abiogensis but the truth.. the truth that will set you free is this....

No matter how much research or how smart we get we are never ever going to be able to define eternity because to do so we would need to access it from a reference point beyond it... to look back upon it and say 'look...there it is, and it is this big and it looks like etc'...

Well you get the point... it ain't gunna happen.

All we can do is accept that whatever this 'eternity' is..... we are living breathing extensions of it....as units of energy we are eternal (if you are religious you can use the word immortal)....

But the human mind being what is, an organic computer, artificial intelligence of the highest order has us believing that we are more than simple units of energy... that there is more....and in doing so it has created a never ending puzzle for it to ponder...

The truth is none of it matters...it's all matter anyway.

I just accept there is some process taking place some pulse that is expanding the universe and the miracle (marvel if the word miracle is too religiosu) to me is this...

If it is true that energy really never had a beginning.....then that means that the energy that is me was always there and will always be there...

Or is that here?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#2524 May 15, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
NASA is working on collecting the evidence currently...by measuring the amount of dark matter and dark energy will determine if the universe will stop expanding and being collapsing on itself into a singularity...and the process will continue ad infinitum...
just as NASA proved the BIG BANG, they will prove many more things using the scientific method, not faith or wishful thinking or hopes or opinions or beliefs or legends or myths....
'proved' the big bang? that's gooooooood...

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#2525 May 15, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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The total number of tattoos on a person is a field of study too.
I disagree that life was randomly created from non living matter and I use the word 'random' to differentiate from a planned creation by an intelligent designer.
Can you show one instance of life being randomly created from non living matter? Just one. Didn't think so.
"The belief that life on earth arose spontaneously from non-living matter, is simply a matter of faith in strict reductionism and is based entirely on ideology."
Nuclear physicist and bioinformatician Dr. Hubert P. Yockey
Haven't you heard? The Evos believe they all came from rock...
Thinking

Poole, UK

#2526 May 15, 2013
What is your explanation for cosmic microwave background radiation?
NDanger wrote:
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'proved' the big bang? that's gooooooood...

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#2527 May 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What is your explanation for cosmic microwave background radiation?
<quoted text>
Even you know better than that... Remember, bang = chaos, life = chaos
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2528 May 15, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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oh well, if he said so, then it must have happened.... thanks for clearing all that up for us retard......
what does your mom say?....and the milkman?....bwhahahhahahahhaha
What??
You admit the jury is still out and you still have no proof of fact?

Man! DO You ever backpedal quickly.

You shouldn't write a check your brain can't cash.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2529 May 15, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
NASA is working on collecting the evidence currently...by measuring the amount of dark matter and dark energy will determine if the universe will stop expanding and being collapsing on itself into a singularity...and the process will continue ad infinitum...
just as NASA proved the BIG BANG, they will prove many more things using the scientific method, not faith or wishful thinking or hopes or opinions or beliefs or legends or myths....
Where did you find out about physics?
You got some kind of comic book source?

Any estimation on how much 'dark source matter' NASA has measured yet?
LOL!!

The Big Bang theory doesn't leave room for any collapsing universe.

Maybe you got your science fiction movies mixed up?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2530 May 15, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Haven't you heard? The Evos believe they all came from rock...
Judging by their thought process, it could very well be true.
Nothing much denser than rock.
Thinking

London, UK

#2531 May 16, 2013
How chaotic is cosmic microwave background radiation?
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Even you know better than that... Remember, bang = chaos, life = chaos
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2533 May 17, 2013
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Really?
"A year later, Lemaître explored the logical consequences of an expanding universe and boldly proposed that it must have originated at a finite point in time. If the universe is expanding, he reasoned, it was smaller in the past, and extrapolation back in time should lead to an epoch when all the matter in the universe was packed together in an extremely dense state. Appealing to the new quantum theory of matter, Lemaître argued that the physical universe was initially a single particle—the “primeval atom” as he called it—which disintegrated in an explosion, giving rise to space and time and the expansion of the universe that continues to this day. This idea marked the birth of what we now know as Big Bang cosmology.
It is tempting to think that Lemaître’s deeply-held religious beliefs might have led him to the notion of a beginning of time. After all, the Judeo-Christian tradition had propagated a similar idea for millennia. Yet Lemaître clearly insisted that there was neither a connection nor a conflict between his religion and his science. Rather he kept them entirely separate, treating them as different, parallel interpretations of the world, both of which he believed with personal conviction. Indeed, when Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith, Lemaître was rather alarmed. Delicately, for that was his way, he tried to separate the two:
“As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God… It is consonant with Isaiah speaking of the hidden God, hidden even in the beginning of the universe.”"
http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/w...
Yet he believed the cosmic egg exploded suddenly in light "as Genesis suggested" and nothing you posted claims otherwise.

He also believed "God did it."

"He (the Christian researcher) knows that not one thing in all creation has been done without God, but he knows also that God nowhere takes the place of his creatures. Omnipresent divine activity is everywhere essentially hidden. It never had to be a question of reducing the Supreme Being to the rank of a scientific hypothesis."
Georges Lemaitre
Godart and Heller, Cosmology of Lemaître, p174
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2534 May 17, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
<quoted text>
NASA is working on collecting the evidence currently...by measuring the amount of dark matter and dark energy will determine if the universe will stop expanding and being collapsing on itself into a singularity...and the process will continue ad infinitum...
just as NASA proved the BIG BANG, they will prove many more things using the scientific method, not faith or wishful thinking or hopes or opinions or beliefs or legends or myths....
Sounds like you have starry-eyed faith in the Yo Yo Theory of creation.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#2535 May 17, 2013
JJJ wrote:
And of course honesty dictates that faith and theory aside we admit....
We simply don't know......
Was there ever a beginning? Apparently not. The 1st law of thermodynamics tells us that energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely transformed....
....
"The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow"

"The present location and velocities of galaxies are a result of a primordial blast known as the BIG BANG. It marked: THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE! THE BEGINNING OF TIME!"
Terry Herter,Professor of Astronomy , Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, Cornell University

"Today virtually everyone agrees that the universe and time itself had a beginning at the Big Bang."
Hawking, S.W. and Penrose, R. 1996. The Nature of Space and Time, p. 20.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2536 May 17, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
"The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow"
"The present location and velocities of galaxies are a result of a primordial blast known as the BIG BANG. It marked: THE BEGINNING OF THE UNIVERSE! THE BEGINNING OF TIME!"
Terry Herter,Professor of Astronomy , Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, Cornell University
"Today virtually everyone agrees that the universe and time itself had a beginning at the Big Bang."
Hawking, S.W. and Penrose, R. 1996. The Nature of Space and Time, p. 20.
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters.

Then God said: Let there be light, and there was light.
BANG it went....a REALLY BIG BANG.

God saw that the light was good.
God then separated the light from the darkness.

Thus dark matter came to be, separating the chaos of anti-matter from matter.

Mass began to form.........

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2538 May 18, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet he believed the cosmic egg exploded suddenly in light "as Genesis suggested" and nothing you posted claims otherwise.
He also believed "God did it."
"He (the Christian researcher) knows that not one thing in all creation has been done without God, but he knows also that God nowhere takes the place of his creatures. Omnipresent divine activity is everywhere essentially hidden. It never had to be a question of reducing the Supreme Being to the rank of a scientific hypothesis."
Georges Lemaitre
Godart and Heller, Cosmology of Lemaître, p174
"Indeed, when Pope Pius XII referred to the new theory of the origin of the universe as a scientific validation of the Catholic faith, Lemaître was rather alarmed. Delicately, for that was his way, he tried to separate the two:

“As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God… It is consonant with Isaiah speaking of the hidden God, hidden even in the beginning of the universe.”"

http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/w...

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2539 May 18, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was without form or shape, with darkness over the abyss and a mighty wind sweeping over the waters.
Where did the wind come from exactly? Too many beans?

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