Why does the Old Testament not apply?

dollarsbill

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#257 Jun 11, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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I was maybe you are a 3 year old, but a retarded 4 year old might apply also.
You're the one having trouble quoting others, not me. If I'm retarded what does that make you? Answer: Satan's child.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#258 Jun 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You should try reading your posts.
Proverbs 16:4 (NKJV)
4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
I know some bible stories too.

Don't forget, the story of Lot is actually very ridicules all by itself,

Genesis 19:31-35
King James Version (KJV)

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

Sodom and Gomorrah have people doing "sinful" acts so god supposedly sent angels down to warn him and his family to leave, then... he escapes, goes into a cave, and has drunk sex, impregnating his own daughters. So, A father would not know he was having drunk sex with his daughters. Night after night... in succession. Makes perfect sense. I am fairly sure, that counts as incest, and if the younger of the 2, was say, under 18 in modern times, Lot would be going to prison as a pedophile. As a father, you can’t tell me you would not know what you were doing 2 nights in a row sleeping with your own daughters. It's called "beer goggles", not incest goggles. The story is ridicules. He can send angels down to warn him to leave a sinful place, but sinning is not getting drunk and banging your daughters.

Heck of a story for Sunday school.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#259 Jun 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You should try reading your posts.
You should try threatening an atheist with fictional places more...

dollarsbill

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#260 Jun 11, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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You should try threatening an atheist with fictional places more...
I don't threaten. God does.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#261 Jun 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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I don't threaten. God does.
Your Jesus ordered women and children slaughtered and condones slavery and rape.

I don't need or want to be associated with evil such as your "god"

dollarsbill

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#262 Jun 11, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Your Jesus ordered women and children slaughtered and condones slavery and rape.
I don't need or want to be associated with evil such as your "god"
And He can send you to Hell forever.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#263 Jun 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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And He can send you to Hell forever.
Prove it...

Dont worry...

Ill wait...

Also DollarsTard,
This sounds just like Santa, He can punish you and not bring you any toys!

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe/God

#264 Jun 11, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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I'm retarded Satan's child.
Figures.

dollarsbill

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#265 Jun 11, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Prove it...
Dont worry...
Ill wait...
Also DollarsTard,
This sounds just like Santa, He can punish you and not bring you any toys!
Be patient. You will receive proof.

dollarsbill

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#266 Jun 11, 2013
Seentheotherside wrote:
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Figures.
Oh gee, another who cannot yet quote others. How ignorant is that?
Thinking

Poole, UK

#267 Jun 11, 2013
dumbbill = sharia claus.
10uhsee wrote:
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Prove it...
Dont worry...
Ill wait...
Also DollarsTard,
This sounds just like Santa, He can punish you and not bring you any toys!

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#268 Jun 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
dumbbill = sharia claus.
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Romans 1 "reprobate mind"
Thinking

Poole, UK

#269 Jun 11, 2013
Have you ever thought about learning the whole bible?

Repeating your single verses over and over again makes you look like a lobotomised moron.

Your biblical illiteracy is incontrovertible.
dollarsbill wrote:
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Romans 1 "reprobate mind"

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#270 Jun 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Have you ever thought about learning the whole bible?
Repeating your single verses over and over again makes you look like a lobotomised moron.
Your biblical illiteracy is incontrovertible.
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Why are you babbling about what you don't know?
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#271 Jun 11, 2013
An excerpt from the book 'Christendom's Pagan Heritage'.... in relation to the OT of the bible...

Almost all bibles in print today use the Masoretic Text as the basis for their translation of the OT.

Very few bible believers know about the origin of this text.

When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 CE, all the surviving Jews were expelled from Jerusalem. A group of Rabbis headed by Akibar Ben Joseph moved about 25 miles away to modern day Tel Aviv with the intention of resurrecting the great Sanhedrin.

Now just a little background on the Akibar Ben Joseph: It is said he was an illiterate shepherd who began studying after age 40.(Britannica Concise Encyclopaedia, also………

‘his methods were as absurd as his conclusions were sound; he derived liberal principles from a weird exegesis (a scriptural explanation) in which every letter of the Torah, or written law, was held to have a mysterious meaning. Cesar and Christ – Durant p547

Now because these Rabbis were being embarrassed by Christians using the Greek Septuagint Text in reference to their belief in the messiah, this Akibar Ben Joseph is responsible for the rewriting of the Septuagint text in Hebrew and that new text become known as the ‘rivalised’ version and today it is known as the Masoretic Text and is used as the preferred text in almost nine out of every ten bible translations in use today to translate the OT.

This text contains many, many mistakes and on Chronology alone it differs from Septuagint by almost 1400 years.
JJJ

Sydney, Australia

#272 Jun 11, 2013
So one thing Xstians need to consider is this...

If the man Christ existed.... then when he read or quoted from what we know today know as the Old Testament, it would not have been from any translation based on the Masoretic Text.... it simply did not exist then....it was written after he had died.

So what?

Well as the above states that at least 90% of bibles in use today, the translations of the OT contained therein have come from the Masoretic Text a text that Christ or the very early church fathers never used...

And another serious point to consider...

If you have 1, studied the bible and 2, believe in bible prophecy then you know that many of the prophecies used historical events such as a particular year in the rulership of a particular king as the starting point to count forward to in calculating the fulfilment of some of the bible's prophecies....

For example.... in the fifth year of the rule of King so and so )...

So if one person's bible's OT translation is based on the Masoretic Text and the other person's bible's OT translation is based on the Septuagint Text.....

Then it is entirely possible that two people discussing the same prophecy, using the same historical event (if it is based on biblical chronology) as a commencement date, will end up with an almost 1400 year difference in the calculated fulfilment of the prophecy

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#273 Jun 12, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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Be patient. You will receive proof.
So... you are going around threatening people with fictional fire.

When asked for proof of this super crappy place of punishment... you say to have patience...

Its been 2000 years... how much more patient does someone need to be?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#274 Jun 12, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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So... you are going around threatening people with fictional fire.
When asked for proof of this super crappy place of punishment... you say to have patience...
Its been 2000 years... how much more patient does someone need to be?
No, I'm saying you need to learn patience. Do you always get everything you ask for immediately? God will give it to you when the time is right, not to please you. You won't have to wait long.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

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#275 Jun 12, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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No, I'm saying you need to learn patience. Do you always get everything you ask for immediately? God will give it to you when the time is right, not to please you. You won't have to wait long.
Go take your car to a shop... let them tell you "that'll be ready 2,000 years."

When you complain and say... "hey that is excessive". They say "have patience."

You have no proof, saying "have patience" is not proof of anything.

I am not sure what world you live in but here on planet Earth... there is a median age of about 70 years. 28.5 modern human lifetimes to go 2,000 years... and that is pushing it as most people back then did not live anything close to 70.

Its amazing, the more we find out about the natural world... the less god is involved.

New movie coming out... Crouching Tiger, Hidden Jesus.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#276 Jun 12, 2013
10uhsee wrote:
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Go take your car to a shop... let them tell you "that'll be ready 2,000 years."
When you complain and say... "hey that is excessive". They say "have patience."
You have no proof, saying "have patience" is not proof of anything.
I am not sure what world you live in but here on planet Earth... there is a median age of about 70 years. 28.5 modern human lifetimes to go 2,000 years... and that is pushing it as most people back then did not live anything close to 70.
Its amazing, the more we find out about the natural world... the less god is involved.
New movie coming out... Crouching Tiger, Hidden Jesus.
"none of the wicked shall understand"

Daniel 12:10 (NKJV)
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

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