Why does the Old Testament not apply?

Why does the Old Testament not apply?

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“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#1 Apr 21, 2013
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#2 Apr 21, 2013
Listening...

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

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#3 Apr 21, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
I wouldn't say it is "exempt from scrutiny".
First I think we need to realise that it is a collection of individual books and that each book needs to be viewed separately. Some books are historical records, some are records of what the prophets or wise men of the time felt God was telling them about the future and some are old law books while the Psalms and Song of Solomon are Song books.
We can scrutinise and learn lessons from the books of the OT in the same way we do from other historical documents.
Disciple

Bronx, NY

#4 Apr 21, 2013
The new testament Ira's based off of the old testament, so what every laws you see carried over into the nee testament from the Torah are what we are too follow .

Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial and sacrificial part of the law, but every thing else still stands.

To save you time from posting what Christians are not doing, yes they really should be observing the dietary laws, the sabbath, and the real holy days: not Xmas and easter. It is misinterpreted verses taken out their context is why they get varying interpretations on those matters.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#5 Apr 21, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
The Old Testament is still valid.
It is a record the history of salvation from creation through the old alliance or covenant with Israel, in preparation for the appearance of Christ as Savior of the world.

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#6 Apr 24, 2013
Disciple wrote:
The new testament Ira's based off of the old testament, so what every laws you see carried over into the nee testament from the Torah are what we are too follow .
Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial and sacrificial part of the law, but every thing else still stands.
To save you time from posting what Christians are not doing, yes they really should be observing the dietary laws, the sabbath, and the real holy days: not Xmas and easter. It is misinterpreted verses taken out their context is why they get varying interpretations on those matters.
Misinterpreted verses, terricic!
Punisher

Mount Vernon, NY

#7 Apr 24, 2013
Disciple wrote:
The new testament Ira's based off of the old testament, so what every laws you see carried over into the nee testament from the Torah are what we are too follow .
Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial and sacrificial part of the law, but every thing else still stands.
To save you time from posting what Christians are not doing, yes they really should be observing the dietary laws, the sabbath, and the real holy days: not Xmas and easter. It is misinterpreted verses taken out their context is why they get varying interpretations on those matters.
Who's new testament Ira? I missed that character...was that the guy who catered the sandwich at the Last Supper...of Ira's delicatessen...?

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#8 Apr 25, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
The reason you don't understand is because you are Biblically illiterate.
little lamb

Perth, Australia

#9 Apr 25, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
Sorry ..God says not to throw our pearls before swine."

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#10 Apr 25, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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The reason you don't understand is because you are Biblically illiterate.
What defines biblically illiteracy? I'm aching to know.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Decatur, GA

#11 Apr 25, 2013
Only the parts about animal sacrifice and anything ceremonial dont apply. All other things still stand.

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#12 Apr 26, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
Only the parts about animal sacrifice and anything ceremonial dont apply. All other things still stand.
Hilarious. And I don't suppose you're willing to admit the Bible is outdated, are you?
Prophet of Jesus Christ

Decatur, GA

#13 Apr 26, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
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Hilarious. And I don't suppose you're willing to admit the Bible is outdated, are you?
Its not outdated, its the standard we are to live by and how god will judge us.

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#14 Apr 27, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Its not outdated, its the standard we are to live by and how god will judge us.
So no animal sacrifices or anything ceremonial, but everything else is okay?
Old times today

Las Vegas, NV

#15 Apr 27, 2013
I especially love how people do not scrutinize the present.

How do things today not work the very way that they did back then, besides all of the useless junk to play with.

I'm not christian, but alot of those rules make complete sense. Like not spreading around horribly screwed up communicable diseases, you know what we do today, we just let it run rampant like freaking idiots.

And how is the pork by the way? Fresh? Tasty? How is the shellfish? MMMMMM, thats healthy eating right there.

We think that we are so dam advanced in today's world but it's all an illusion, people can hardly feed eachother these days, just look at all of the malnourished people of today.

So, while i would agree that some of the things are wretched in the old testament and should be scrutinized, guess what, look at all of the wretched horseshyte that goes on today, and why is it never scrutinized? Because we think that we are so advanced when we simply are not, glowy shiny things do that to people, undoubtedly one of the reasons that our "hearts wax worse and worse".

We truly are a foul foul being. Hideous in everyway, but hey everyone starts out that way right?!

The other stupid rules that most certainly apply: mixing fabrics, simply a metaphorical practice, don't mix love and hate, ever.

Here is the funny part, the laws, it calls them nothing but a "shadow of things to come", meaning that everyone is going to willingly follow them, be them even, our very hearts will be changed it says. But at this point we are "carnal", no one can even tell us or make us follow the rules, a nessecary step wouldn't you say?

And people act like God likes to torture animals, nope, thats mankind. They turned down the "meat" in the garden, thats the plants by the way, it is meant to be our "meat". And they went out torturing the animals. So, when the time came God was there with them and he only wanted to be included, the very meaning of an offering, a gift, but it was a metaphorical gift. But it had to mean something, not like cain's "gift" if you could even call it that, it had to be something that they cared about.

The practices of animals today is so much more wretched than the way God treats animals, scrutinize that shyte. And don't worry, chap. 2 or 3, "blood is required for the blood spilt", that includes the animal blood by the way, every dog actually does have his day.

I esp. love how our stupid a$$e$, notice i say "our", myself included, have been through almost nothing in our lives. Like the part when the hebrews were attacked, attacked means attacked, the a$$holes outside of their area for some reason came in to rob them, rape them, torture them, and enslave them, and who knows what other wierd shyte they were doing to people, like burning infants to molech. So they came in to kill them and take their stuff, naturally the hebrews had to defend themselves, but who knew there is an aftermath to war. They won the battle and their were remnants of people that they hebrews could not take on because they didn't have the resources to do so, so they killed them instead of letting them starve or be eaten by wolves or something. And because we are young we blame the ones being attacked, but it was the attackers that were to blame for that awful awful thing that they had to do.

But hey! Look at our wonderful wars of today right! We are just so kind aren't we, and advanced! We leave the remnants to die, starve, and deal with the bombs hidden in the ground don't we?! Children are blown in half because of our more advanced way of doing things. Aren't we wonderful today?! The people of today are most certainly more moral than those bronzed age people!

The only difference between them and us is a bunch of shytty technology, mostly worthless to everyone and only used for fighting and enslavement of eachother!

Im a shytty young person and i don't claim to know all, but at least i read and ask questions and try to learn.
Old times today

Las Vegas, NV

#16 Apr 27, 2013
Sheep, this term is not exlusively for christians in my opinion.

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#17 Apr 28, 2013
Old times today wrote:
Sheep, this term is not exlusively for christians in my opinion.
As long as your previous comment is, it's blatantly oversimplified. The main problem with religion is that it's taught to children way before they have the ability to analyze it critically. Even then, children always ask questions regarding the crazy stuff in the Old Testament because of how little sense it makes. Their parents then proceed to discourage this questioning. Do you know where else you're not allowed to question authority? If you said 'military' you're correct. You can't go against your superior's orders; if you do it's insubordination. It may not include war crimes, but nowadays where is the line drawn? Suddenly, what seems like an archaic solution to modern problems is instead the cause of the problem. The problem isn't religion in its entirety, it's how it is taught. Unfortunately, religion isn't taught in an objective manner.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#18 Apr 28, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
I love hearing how Christians claim the Bible is entirely true and how they try to convince us the wretched stuff in the Old Testament is exempt from scrutiny. I thought it would be fun to listen to any rationalization from them. I'm not even gonna criticize them; I'm simply gonna listen attentively.
Why do you care what Christians say?

“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#19 Apr 28, 2013
Phoenix wrote:
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Why do you care what Christians say?
My parents were Christian. What they said concerned me deeply. It influenced my way of thinking and took its toll on the development of my critical thinking capabilities. For a long time, I was very gullible and susceptible to swindle. I had to put a lot of effort into building critical thinking skills I should have developed a long time ago. My parents were only doing what they thought was best for me, but when I started to exhibit behavioral problems they didn't know how to help. I had to bring myself out of it, and the poor bastards had to stand me at my most insufferable. It's a long story so I won't go into full detail, but if I had children I'd try to raise them differently. So to answer your question, I care what parents tell their children because it will influence them invariably towards a specific belief system that doesn't evolve with the changing times as it should.
Phoenix

Houston, TX

#20 Apr 28, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
<quoted text>My parents were Christian. What they said concerned me deeply. It influenced my way of thinking and took its toll on the development of my critical thinking capabilities. For a long time, I was very gullible and susceptible to swindle. I had to put a lot of effort into building critical thinking skills I should have developed a long time ago. My parents were only doing what they thought was best for me, but when I started to exhibit behavioral problems they didn't know how to help. I had to bring myself out of it, and the poor bastards had to stand me at my most insufferable. It's a long story so I won't go into full detail, but if I had children I'd try to raise them differently. So to answer your question, I care what parents tell their children because it will influence them invariably towards a specific belief system that doesn't evolve with the changing times as it should.
I applaud your candidness in this post. However, no one can control how parents raise their children.

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