Does religion have a purpose in society?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#163 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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I don't bash catholics.
Liar.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#164 Nov 18, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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You are a lying sack of dung.
agreed.. there is NO such thing as a "priest in a Roman catholic church the believes that! He would be on the unemployment line!
Jeff IS full of dung! Why must liars be so obvious?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#165 Nov 18, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Looks to me as though you write them off and that's kinda bashing...they have tried providing you with their information and you either poo poo it or ignore it...that's bashing...what GS is doing is trolling.
I don't write them off. They just don't know what their church teaches officially. Its sad.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#166 Nov 18, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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It means I'm doing what the I'm supposed to be doing.
Have you onfessed any sins lately?
Before you go to mass be sure to go to confession 1st.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#167 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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I don't write them off. They just don't know what their church teaches officially. Its sad.
Horsecrap, Jeff. You're stonewalling because you can't admit you haven't a clue what happens after death.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#168 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Before you go to mass be sure to go to confession 1st.
Correction.
Before You partake of Holy Communion......
Plenty of folks go to Mass but do not take Communion if they didn't go to Confession.
Plenty of married couples who are remarried yet raising their combined family as Catholics never take Communion themselves, yet their children do.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#169 Nov 18, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Before you go to mass be sure to go to confession 1st.
I went to confession Friday. You're starting to piss me off so I guess I'll just write you off as a worthless freak and leave you to wallow in your ignorance. It suits you.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#171 Nov 18, 2012
Job wrote:
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First off, I don't insist on clarification with 'some' as far as the use of the term "religion". I think people use the term 'religion' in many cases because if they say "Christian", it may make them appear 'biased', more 'targeting', etc. I think you are a lot more upfront, so I would like some clarification on what exactly 'you' mean by religion? Do you have 'other' religions in mind? Are you thinking 'primarily' Christianity or Abrahamic religions? Granted I know that there are many religions that we don't know about. And if you 'are' primarily referring to 'Christianity', that's quite alright.
1. Those verses in and of themselves don't promote overpopulating the planet. What if the world was 'underpopulated'? This would probably place these scriptures in a 'different' light. Now are there people that interpret the scriptures to suggest that they produce as many children as possible? Maybe. The problem is that when we talk 'reproduction', we are also bringing sexual activity into the equation. For instance, sexuall activity is one of the pleasures that act as a means of relief among many in poverty. And not everyone can afford birth control, or have the immediate means to obtain them.
2. Wars have always been 'political' in nature. People groups who have fought each other generally had god(s) who were viewed as their protector/overseer. Remove the gods, and the 'political' motivation would no doubt still there. There's nothing about having a 'religion' in itself that causes people to fight each other. It may play a part in what already exists, which is the desire for power. Country 'A' wants power. When they conquer country 'B', the religion may or may not be pushed on country 'B'. Some religions are so ethnocentric, like that of the Native American tribes, that only those within their tribal ethnic group are accepted into their religion.
The issue of religion and ethnicity can get quite confusing. There are apparently those who think the Yugoslavian ethnic conflicts were based on religion at least partly because one of the ethnic groups were literally called "Muslims". They finally changed the name of their ethnic group to remove the confusion.
First of all I have to say that I appreciate the cultivated way we are communicating between us!

My personal definition on religion is more specifically the belief in one or more Gods.
Under this definition we have many different belief systems, but philosophical belief systems with no God included is not regarded being a religion by me.

Then if we will look closer at the God of Christianity; who did in reality speak to Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus,(regarded that we see them as real persons) was it a voice from “heaven” or was it a voice coming from their super ego and their sub conscious mind?

Personally I have no problem when it comes to believing in and listening to this inner voice, the “life force” that we all have within our mind.

Christianity at its best is fair enough, but under its umbrella some other and less noble ideas are lurking, it becomes a legitimate hiding place.

Every time I can hear the verses from Genesis that we are talking about I am automatically thinking that this is a message for people to have many children and I believe others will feel it the same way.

When it comes to wars and conflicts between people I agree that it at the bottom line is a conflict over resources and that politics, religions and ethnic belonging creates the “bocks”.

I have several good friends who has been living thru the Yugoslavian war and I have been told in detail about what actually happened and how people there think and feel about it.
It is one of the reasons that I don’t fancy religious belief so much.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#173 Nov 19, 2012
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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1. First of all I have to say that I appreciate the cultivated way we are communicating between us!
My personal definition on religion is more specifically the belief in one or more Gods.
Under this definition we have many different belief systems, but philosophical belief systems with no God included is not regarded being a religion by me.
Then if we will look closer at the God of Christianity; who did in reality speak to Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus,(regarded that we see them as real persons) was it a voice from “heaven” or was it a voice coming from their super ego and their sub conscious mind?
Personally I have no problem when it comes to believing in and listening to this inner voice, the “life force” that we all have within our mind.

2. Christianity at its best is fair enough, but under its umbrella some other and less noble ideas are lurking, it becomes a legitimate hiding place.
Every time I can hear the verses from Genesis that we are talking about I am automatically thinking that this is a message for people to have many children and I believe others will feel it the same way.

3. When it comes to wars and conflicts between people I agree that it at the bottom line is a conflict over resources and that politics, religions and ethnic belonging creates the “bocks”.
I have several good friends who has been living thru the Yugoslavian war and I have been told in detail about what actually happened and how people there think and feel about it.
It is one of the reasons that I don’t fancy religious belief so much.
1. Ok. I just want to make sure we're on the same page, so I'm not off base if I mention a religion like 'Shintoism'(or even Buddhism and Cosmic Humanism).

2. I think society in general promotes a 'be fruitful and multiply' message. And this hasn't changed at any time as we've moved towards a more secular society (or some would say 'always' a secular society). We certainly don't have any laws concerning birth control. And in the one particular example of child birth laws (China), a human rights issue exists. And birth control when suggested in any way in the U.S. is usually directed towards lower-income house holds. It's more an issue of what one can afford, rather than overpopulation. Most people still want to get married. Most people want to have children. Most people want to have more than one child. And some people have gender preferences to where they will have children until they get the desired gender. Multiply this highly accepted (secular) norm, and I don't see a whole lot of difference between a 'Christian' view of having children, vs. a 'secular' view. These desires of family/children are not a religious concept. They are not out of religious duty.

3. The Bible states that Christians are known by their love for one another. So it's true, where there is division of any kind, Christians are invisible. However it's the nature of the beast for things like war to get all the attention. What doesn't get news attention is Christians from around the world supporting each other. And supporting non-Christians. People they don't even know. CNN is not going to report things like this. And there's a general thought that if something is not covered by a major news outlet, it's not trustworthy news. And this isn't true.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#175 Nov 19, 2012
Job wrote:
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1. Ok. I just want to make sure we're on the same page, so I'm not off base if I mention a religion like 'Shintoism'(or even Buddhism and Cosmic Humanism).
2. I think society in general promotes a 'be fruitful and multiply' message. And this hasn't changed at any time as we've moved towards a more secular society (or some would say 'always' a secular society). We certainly don't have any laws concerning birth control. And in the one particular example of child birth laws (China), a human rights issue exists. And birth control when suggested in any way in the U.S. is usually directed towards lower-income house holds. It's more an issue of what one can afford, rather than overpopulation. Most people still want to get married. Most people want to have children. Most people want to have more than one child. And some people have gender preferences to where they will have children until they get the desired gender. Multiply this highly accepted (secular) norm, and I don't see a whole lot of difference between a 'Christian' view of having children, vs. a 'secular' view. These desires of family/children are not a religious concept. They are not out of religious duty.
3. The Bible states that Christians are known by their love for one another. So it's true, where there is division of any kind, Christians are invisible. However it's the nature of the beast for things like war to get all the attention. What doesn't get news attention is Christians from around the world supporting each other. And supporting non-Christians. People they don't even know. CNN is not going to report things like this. And there's a general thought that if something is not covered by a major news outlet, it's not trustworthy news. And this isn't true.
Another not so funny thing that we can observe within some countries having a strong and rigid cult based on certain ideological or political principles is the growth of a Cult of Personality, political leaders receiving a status nearly as a “god”.
We could mention examples, but we don’t need to because we all know a few names to mention.

When it comes to population growth I could mention Germany with a negative growth rate, expected to be - 0, 2 % in 2012.
Ok, it is not a big danger to the nation because at that rate it will take 350 years to reduce the population by 50% and there is plenty of time for adjustments.
Germany is not a very religious nation any more, and other European nations have a similar tendency.

And yes, we are manipulated by mass media, it is not easy to maintain an independent and balanced opinion, sometimes it helps to “sleep on it” for a while before we decide on what is right or wrong.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#176 Nov 19, 2012
David UK wrote:
Yes. To be Loathed & Despised by me, I fcuking hate Christian hypocrites and their double standards. May they rot in their non existent Hell.
yes, there are alot of practicing, do as i say, but don't do as i do,(behind closed doors)
don't judge the rest, who are true followers of JESUS
we are not hating you, or judge you,
we are concerned for the rage you have against true christians
all GOD asks is have an open mind, think of his concern, love he has for you and others
don't blame GOD for what others has done to you
i'm truly sorry if someone has hurt or betrayed you, and made you feel that way
if there is a way to help you, we will do the best to answer you
Job

United States

#177 Nov 19, 2012
Mr Ironhart wrote:
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Another not so funny thing that we can observe within some countries having a strong and rigid cult based on certain ideological or political principles is the growth of a Cult of Personality, political leaders receiving a status nearly as a “god”.
We could mention examples, but we don’t need to because we all know a few names to mention.

2. When it comes to population growth I could mention Germany with a negative growth rate, expected to be - 0, 2 % in 2012.
Ok, it is not a big danger to the nation because at that rate it will take 350 years to reduce the population by 50% and there is plenty of time for adjustments.
Germany is not a very religious nation any more, and other European nations have a similar tendency.
1. Very true!

2. I have to admit, I don't know a whole lot about the German or European mindset (i.e., "the German dream", or "the European dream"). Interesting stat though. In the U.S., in spite of some variances, "the American dream" has remained fairly stable it seems. The idea of the "big family" (including cousins and relatives) is considered a positive.
OKAY

Houston, TX

#178 Nov 19, 2012
David UK wrote:
Yes. To be Loathed & Despised by me, I fcuking hate Christian hypocrites and their double standards. May they rot in their non existent Hell.
How do you really feel?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#179 Nov 19, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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I don't write them off. They just don't know what their church teaches officially. Its sad.
And you have shown this how? Where are your facts on what the Catholic church believes? All you have are newly "ordained" evangelical political cultists telling you who to vote for.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#180 Nov 19, 2012
Job wrote:
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1. Very true!
2. I have to admit, I don't know a whole lot about the German or European mindset (i.e., "the German dream", or "the European dream"). Interesting stat though. In the U.S., in spite of some variances, "the American dream" has remained fairly stable it seems. The idea of the "big family" (including cousins and relatives) is considered a positive.
Not really. The "American Dream" is dead....we all see the rich and republicans removing it from us daily.

As to the big family, the born again evangelicals who have big families live off the government.
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#181 Nov 19, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Not really. The "American Dream" is dead....we all see the rich and republicans removing it from us daily.
As to the big family, the born again evangelicals who have big families live off the government.
i'm truly sorry you feel that sorry
but regardless of what we have or don't have
we have the love of family and most of all, GOD is our hero
i've known families with what little they have, helps others
by sharing, food, clothing, most of all friendship, understanding, and trust
i'm sure not all would do that
there are plenty who are not christians who abuse the systems so don't judge all christians, because we don't know the true circumstances of their predicament
i've known alot of families, lost their jobs, have been in an accident, and life threaten illnesses, no insurance for children who have illnesses or born with illnesses
if you truly want to know, work with this families, then you'll know
we also work with orphanages, would you like to help
make a difference



“When you die, nothing happens.”

Since: Sep 12

Gurabo, PR

#182 Nov 19, 2012
mztza wrote:
a religion NO
GODS gospel YES
JESUS had no religion
JESUS is the example for our society
man made religion can't be trusted
only GODS word can save us and is trustworthy
God, along with His Word, is man-made.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#183 Nov 19, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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As a matter of fact, it is rocket science. A lot hinges on what you mean by 'cold' and 'dark'. The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation which permeates the known universe is neither cold nor dark.
Well, being I have never been there, you may be correct. I know it's cold up there and when I am outside at night, it's dark up there as well...
mztza

Mesa, AZ

#184 Nov 19, 2012
Oberktosa wrote:
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God, along with His Word, is man-made.
then who wrote the 10 commandments on the tablet of stone MOSES
GOD wrote that with his finger GOD is GOD
not a man
man doesn't have that kind of wisdom, man would never say forgive who has done you harm
but, GOD says to forgive

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#185 Nov 19, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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Well, being I have never been there, you may be correct. I know it's cold up there and when I am outside at night, it's dark up there as well...
That's because the spectral range of human eyes is quite limited and the temperature extremes humans can tolerate is quite limited.

Let's just say I see things in a different light.
(You already know that, right?)

God bless you.

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