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If a God answers prayers where's the evidence?

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Since: Jul 11

Fargo, North Dakota

#1 Aug 27, 2012
If a God answers prayers there should be plenty of evidence showing fewer religious people die of disease, natural disasters, accidents etc., than people who don't pray or worship.

Can any religious folks provide evidence showing they're spared these pitfalls more than non-religious folks as we go through life. If you can, it seems it would get more people in Church praying & tithing.

James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
serendipity

Pittsburgh, PA

#2 Aug 28, 2012
Skeeeptical wrote:
If a God answers prayers there should be plenty of evidence showing fewer religious people die of disease, natural disasters, accidents etc., than people who don't pray or worship.
Can any religious folks provide evidence showing they're spared these pitfalls more than non-religious folks as we go through life. If you can, it seems it would get more people in Church praying & tithing.
James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
Here's some food for thought:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffm...

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#3 Aug 28, 2012
serendipity wrote:
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Here's some food for thought:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffm...
Not really.

"Exercise has long been reported to improve conditions related to stress and anxiety, providing a "high" feeling that increases energy and positive mood. Many studies have attempted to explain this psychological effect of physiological activity. The elevation in transmission of neurochemicals like dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline may be responsible for this effect."

"Yoga, swimming, cycling and long-distance running are endurance-based exercises that can increase dopamine levels. Mood-elevating effects as well as improved sleep patterns can result from these types of workout"

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5507276_dopamine-ex...

I cycle and walk on a regular basis. I bet I'm fitter than someone who prays and does not exercise.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#4 Aug 28, 2012
serendipity wrote:
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Here's some food for thought:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffm...
There's a tradeoff. Your extended lifespan is balanced by the time you spend praying.

Are people who pray healthier than those who spend that time in aerobic excercise? I doubt it.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#5 Aug 28, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Not really.
"Exercise has long been reported to improve conditions related to stress and anxiety, providing a "high" feeling that increases energy and positive mood. Many studies have attempted to explain this psychological effect of physiological activity. The elevation in transmission of neurochemicals like dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline may be responsible for this effect."
"Yoga, swimming, cycling and long-distance running are endurance-based exercises that can increase dopamine levels. Mood-elevating effects as well as improved sleep patterns can result from these types of workout"
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5507276_dopamine-ex...
I cycle and walk on a regular basis. I bet I'm fitter than someone who prays and does not exercise.
We're on the same page there. The place I'm at is too dangerous for cycling so I'm kind of going to seed. It's the only excercise that holds any interest for me. Maybe I should get a mountain bike and dink around the neighborhood like the old fart I am. The advantage of road biking is it really lends itself to contemplation and meditation. All you've got is the breeze and the sound of tires on asphalt.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#6 Aug 28, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Not really.
"Exercise has long been reported to improve conditions related to stress and anxiety, providing a "high" feeling that increases energy and positive mood. Many studies have attempted to explain this psychological effect of physiological activity. The elevation in transmission of neurochemicals like dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline may be responsible for this effect."
"Yoga, swimming, cycling and long-distance running are endurance-based exercises that can increase dopamine levels. Mood-elevating effects as well as improved sleep patterns can result from these types of workout"
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5507276_dopamine-ex...
I cycle and walk on a regular basis. I bet I'm fitter than someone who prays and does not exercise.
Hey, I've got an idea. How about I get a decent pair of walking shoes and walk to Mass. It's only a mile away and they celebrate the Eucharist seven days a week. Besides, the fiesta is coming up in about a month and there's going to be a dance so it wouldn't hurt to drop a few pounds.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#7 Aug 28, 2012
Skeeeptical wrote:
If a God answers prayers there should be plenty of evidence showing fewer religious people die of disease, natural disasters, accidents etc., than people who don't pray or worship.
Can any religious folks provide evidence showing they're spared these pitfalls more than non-religious folks as we go through life. If you can, it seems it would get more people in Church praying & tithing.
James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
Countless stories could be cited of diseases cured, exams passed, repentance and forgiveness granted, relationships restored, hungry children fed, bills paid and lives and souls saved through the efficacy of prayer. So, yes, there is plenty of evidence that God answers prayer. Most of the evidence is anecdotal and personal, however, and that bothers many who think of “evidence” only as that which is observable, measureable, and reproducible.
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#8 Aug 28, 2012
Skeeeptical wrote:
If a God answers prayers there should be plenty of evidence showing fewer religious people die of disease, natural disasters, accidents etc., than people who don't pray or worship.
Can any religious folks provide evidence showing they're spared these pitfalls more than non-religious folks as we go through life. If you can, it seems it would get more people in Church praying & tithing.
James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
Many Christians I know keep a prayer journal. They are able to go back and read their prayers and are often surprised to see just how regularly their prayers were indeed answered. This in turn increases their faith and it also increases their time spent on their knees praying for themselves and interceding for others. Prayer works!

You were correct in quoting James 5:14 but begin with 5:13 and end with 5:16 and their in lies your answer.“The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.”

“Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.”(James 5:13-16 NIV)

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#9 Aug 28, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Not really.
"Exercise has long been reported to improve conditions related to stress and anxiety, providing a "high" feeling that increases energy and positive mood. Many studies have attempted to explain this psychological effect of physiological activity. The elevation in transmission of neurochemicals like dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline may be responsible for this effect."
"Yoga, swimming, cycling and long-distance running are endurance-based exercises that can increase dopamine levels. Mood-elevating effects as well as improved sleep patterns can result from these types of workout"
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5507276_dopamine-ex...
I cycle and walk on a regular basis. I bet I'm fitter than someone who prays and does not exercise.
And your point is? You are very likely fitter than someone who does not pray an does not exercise. The one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#10 Aug 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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We're on the same page there. The place I'm at is too dangerous for cycling so I'm kind of going to seed. It's the only excercise that holds any interest for me. Maybe I should get a mountain bike and dink around the neighborhood like the old fart I am. The advantage of road biking is it really lends itself to contemplation and meditation. All you've got is the breeze and the sound of tires on asphalt.
Don't you think a mountain bike is a bit.....boring? You could go with a recumbent trike.

http://www.utahtrikes.com/

or a fixie :-]

http://www.red2fixedgear.com/

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#11 Aug 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, I've got an idea. How about I get a decent pair of walking shoes and walk to Mass. It's only a mile away and they celebrate the Eucharist seven days a week. Besides, the fiesta is coming up in about a month and there's going to be a dance so it wouldn't hurt to drop a few pounds.
Mass AND a fiests! in that case you need one of these.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#13 Aug 28, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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And your point is?
I suggest you re-read my post in context. It was a response to 'serendipity's' comments in Post 2.

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#14 Aug 28, 2012
serendipity wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's some food for thought:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffm...
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really.
"Exercise has long been reported to improve conditions related to stress and anxiety, providing a "high" feeling that increases energy and positive mood. Many studies have attempted to explain this psychological effect of physiological activity. The elevation in transmission of neurochemicals like dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline may be responsible for this effect."
"Yoga, swimming, cycling and long-distance running are endurance-based exercises that can increase dopamine levels. Mood-elevating effects as well as improved sleep patterns can result from these types of workout"
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5507276_dopamine-ex...
I cycle and walk on a regular basis. I bet I'm fitter than someone who prays and does not exercise.
This response does not refute Serendipity's post and your final comment is irrelevant.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#15 Aug 28, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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<quoted text>
This response does not refute Serendipity's post
I was merely pointing out there are many ways to obtain a dopamine 'hit'.
Allen Richards wrote:
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and your final comment is irrelevant.
AFAIAC it is not. IMHO the benefits of excercise far outweigh the benefits of prayer outlined in the link provided by "Serendipity".
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu

Shelby, OH

#16 Aug 28, 2012
Skeeeptical wrote:
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Lets cut to the chase a
Ok, let's do! You're a skeptic, you don't want to believe, and no amount of evidence will suffice for you.

If prayer could be tested empirically and forced to yield conclusive results, it would obviate the need for faith. We cannot “discover” God through empirical observations; we come to Him by faith. God is not so clumsy that He should reveal Himself in ways He did not intend.“He who comes to God must believe that He is”(that is, that He exists). Faith is the prerequisite and the priority.

Does God answer prayer? Ask any believer, and you will know the answer. Every changed life of every believer is proof positive that God answers prayer.

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#17 Aug 28, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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I was merely pointing out there are many ways to obtain a dopamine 'hit'.
<quoted text>
AFAIAC it is not. IMHO the benefits of excercise far outweigh the benefits of prayer outlined in the link provided by "Serendipity".
Having experienced both I can say that the results are different.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#18 Aug 28, 2012
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Ok, let's do! You're a skeptic, you don't want to believe, and no amount of evidence will suffice for you.
If prayer could be tested empirically and forced to yield conclusive results, it would obviate the need for faith. We cannot “discover” God through empirical observations; we come to Him by faith. God is not so clumsy that He should reveal Himself in ways He did not intend.“He who comes to God must believe that He is”(that is, that He exists). Faith is the prerequisite and the priority.
Does God answer prayer? Ask any believer, and you will know the answer. Every changed life of every believer is proof positive that God answers prayer.
Ummm, yah, THAT'S really convincing.

How do you expect to convince ANY non-Christian if you believe that "You're a skeptic, you don't want to believe, and no amount of evidence will suffice for you."?

It seems that, functionally, there is no real difference between...
1.) God answered my prayer. He said "No."
and
2.) There is no one there to "take the call."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#19 Aug 28, 2012
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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....and that bothers many who think of “evidence” only as that which is observable, measureable, and reproducible.
Gee, I wonder why!:)
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#20 Aug 28, 2012
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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“He who comes to God must believe that He is”(that is, that He exists). Faith is the prerequisite and the priority.
SO you can't come to believe in God unless you first believe in God?

Sure you want to go with that as your answer?

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#21 Aug 28, 2012
More trike action.

&fe ature=related

This is a Mango Sport RE Velomobile. If any Christian wants to prove the power of prayer they can arrange for one of these to materialise in my driveway. I would like it with this paint job.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons... (Velox_Incendia).jpg

As a matter of interest they are made by a firm called "Sinner". Coincidence or what?

http://www.sinnerbikes.com/modellen/mango/man...

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