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“The Intrepid”

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#43 Feb 25, 2013
madscot wrote:
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Why does that offend you?
I didn't say it offended me. Try reading for "tone" idiot. The word "funny" denotes amusement.

Why do you try so hard to BE offensive?

“The Intrepid”

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#44 Feb 25, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Hola, nano. Hace mucho tiempo.
It depends on who you listen to. There are three times more not fundies than fundies and according to them we're all going to hell except them. Beyond that, you've got to hang out here a really long time to figure out who the Christians are.
God bless you.
Hi, Dalai!

I don't have the patience to hang out in this forum. It would be too much like attending a sci fi convention, what with all the fantasy and strange avatars/costumes. ;)

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#45 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Hi, Dalai!
I don't have the patience to hang out in this forum. It would be too much like attending a sci fi convention, what with all the fantasy and strange avatars/costumes. ;)
Oh c'mon, nano, you're a breath a fresh air. Couldn't you at least stick around long enough to figure out what's wrong with Romans Road. We're at a loss.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#46 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say it offended me. Try reading for "tone" idiot. The word "funny" denotes amusement.
Why do you try so hard to BE offensive?
What do you expect when you post random, irrelevant BS in a thread?
Tone? I've never found you to be a funny person, so why would I expect you to start now?

You made it a point to post this in the atheist forum and here. Sounds to me like you have some burr up your crabby ass.

Since: Feb 13

Beachwood, OH

#47 Feb 25, 2013
I believe in both. I would like to think that we have free will even though our fates have been pre- determined. I think that there is a course that has been set for our lives and no matter what we do we cannot escape the history/choices we are meant to make. Its all apart of God's grand design...

“The Intrepid”

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#48 Feb 25, 2013
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Absolutely.
Given your genetic make-up and life experiences, you couldn't be anyone else right now.
Git yer hand out of yer pants Sigmund.

You've been reading too much of Sam Harris' bullshit. Life is all about choices, good ones and bad ones and they are not subconscious, uncontrollable impulses.

Screw Harris and his demented "moral landscape" espousal. His Brave New World is nothing more than the equivalent of ideological/doctrinal lobotomies of those he is bigoted against.

“The Intrepid”

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#49 Feb 25, 2013
madscot wrote:
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What do you expect when you post random, irrelevant BS in a thread?
Tone? I've never found you to be a funny person, so why would I expect you to start now?
You made it a point to post this in the atheist forum and here. Sounds to me like you have some burr up your crabby ass.
And you have never been anything but an offensive pig. Your only reason for being in this forum is to offend and insult. I didn't drop in here to amuse the likes of you.

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#50 Feb 25, 2013
CommonSense101_ wrote:
I believe in both. I would like to think that we have free will even though our fates have been pre- determined. I think that there is a course that has been set for our lives and no matter what we do we cannot escape the history/choices we are meant to make. Its all apart of God's grand design...
Foreknowledge is not pre-determination. If a person could travel in time, at will, they could have foreknowledge of the every bit of human history without ever having "caused" you to ever DO anything. I don't believe in fate/predetermination. Everything changes at the turn of a heel and the spin of an electron; all highly probabilistic but never absolutely "set".

Since: Feb 13

Beachwood, OH

#51 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Foreknowledge is not pre-determination. If a person could travel in time, at will, they could have foreknowledge of the every bit of human history without ever having "caused" you to ever DO anything. I don't believe in fate/predetermination. Everything changes at the turn of a heel and the spin of an electron; all highly probabilistic but never absolutely "set".
I know the difference between the two. And I am saying that I believe that our lives/fates have been pre-determined by a "foreknowing" God.

“The Intrepid”

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#52 Feb 25, 2013
CommonSense101_ wrote:
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I know the difference between the two. And I am saying that I believe that our lives/fates have been pre-determined by a "foreknowing" God.
Do you believe what the bible says?

Since: Feb 13

Beachwood, OH

#53 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Do you believe what the bible says?
Yes, I do. Do you?

“The Intrepid”

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#54 Feb 25, 2013
CommonSense101_ wrote:
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Yes, I do. Do you?
Free will and predetermination/fate are in direct opposition of each other. You cannot believe in both and say that you are interpreting the bible correctly. If your fate has been predetermined then you have no free will, but you know that you are the one making your choices, ergo...fate is not reality.
Frank from Fayetteville

Fayetteville, NC

#55 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Git yer hand out of yer pants Sigmund.
You've been reading too much of Sam Harris' bullshit. Life is all about choices, good ones and bad ones and they are not subconscious, uncontrollable impulses.
Screw Harris and his demented "moral landscape" espousal. His Brave New World is nothing more than the equivalent of ideological/doctrinal lobotomies of those he is bigoted against.
Yes, life is about choices..and the choices that you make are influenced by a number of impersonal factors.

And I havn't read Sam Harris, no I reached this conclusion via observation of my mental processes in meditation, observing life, and reading up on neuroscience.

I don't care if you agree.

The fact that you disagree couldn't have happened any other way due to your genes and various life experiences.

peace

Since: Feb 13

Maple Heights, OH

#56 Feb 25, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Free will and predetermination/fate are in direct opposition of each other. You cannot believe in both and say that you are interpreting the bible correctly. If your fate has been predetermined then you have no free will, but you know that you are the one making your choices, ergo...fate is not reality.
Whatever you say. I have no interest in debating my faith with you. But I will say that I believe in both, I believe that not everyone is chosen to be a Christian, there are some people that were made for the sole purpose of completing deeds God found necessary and going to hell. Like the story of Jesus and Judas. We have free will, and I believe that the choices we make always bring us back to our predestined fate. What do you think the story of Adam and Eve was about?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#57 Feb 27, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>And you have never been anything but an offensive pig. Your only reason for being in this forum is to offend and insult. I didn't drop in here to amuse the likes of you.
Perhaps if you didn't start every reply to me with an insult, you might not be offended.

“The Intrepid”

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#58 Feb 28, 2013
madscot wrote:
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Perhaps if you didn't start every reply to me with an insult, you might not be offended.
You started it.

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#59 Mar 3, 2013
"Free will or pre-destination?"

"being predestined"

Ephesians 1:11 (NKJV)
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#60 Mar 3, 2013
Free will or predestination; what would the difference be to an omniscient “God”. In either case “He” knows everything that’s going to happen before it happens.

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#61 Mar 3, 2013
Big Al wrote:
Free will or predestination; what would the difference be to an omniscient “God”. In either case “He” knows everything that’s going to happen before it happens.
The difference is that God either caused or allowed. The fact is that God created EVERYTHING as it pleased Him. Including you and me.

Proverbs 16:4 (NASB)
4 The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

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