Why do Atheists care more for humanit...

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

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#24 Apr 20, 2013
Sceptical_Mal wrote:
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Jabberwocky. Bible prophecies are nonsense.
You have ZERO proof.

Sceptical_Mal

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#25 Apr 20, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You have ZERO proof.
Just open your eyes and have a look around, see what is happening in the world.

Why would your God allow so much suffering, cause so much suffering?

Why would your God have given me such a healthy, happy, intelligent family - a teenage son who still gives hugs each night before bed and says 'love you Dad' yet many Christian families go without, have troublesome teenagers who turn to drugs and alcohol at such a young age?

Why would your God answer the farmers prayers for rain yet let so many children die each day from sickness or injury, the prayers from parents and loved ones go unanswered.

How does your God allow so much abuse of children all over the world, many of the perpetrators so called 'holy men who's crimes make them more evil than the 'good' they are supposed to represent? How does he then let them get away with it, in many cases hush money paid to the victims family?

How does your God allow so much discrimination around the world, where from the moment you are born, where you are born has so much impact on the whole of your life from health, education, wealth and prosperity, happiness and life expectancy?

How does you God allow a serial killer, rapist, child molester or other vile offender the opportunity to repent of their evil and enter heaven to possibly walk alongside their blameless victims or parents of the victims?

I need no further proof that there is no God.
Thinking

Sheffield, UK

#26 Apr 20, 2013
The bible didn't even understand zero.
dollarsbill wrote:
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You have ZERO proof.
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#27 Apr 20, 2013
Sceptical_Mal wrote:
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Just open your eyes and have a look around, see what is happening in the world.
Why would your God allow so much suffering, cause so much suffering?
Why would your God have given me such a healthy, happy, intelligent family - a teenage son who still gives hugs each night before bed and says 'love you Dad' yet many Christian families go without, have troublesome teenagers who turn to drugs and alcohol at such a young age?
Why would your God answer the farmers prayers for rain yet let so many children die each day from sickness or injury, the prayers from parents and loved ones go unanswered.
How does your God allow so much abuse of children all over the world, many of the perpetrators so called 'holy men who's crimes make them more evil than the 'good' they are supposed to represent? How does he then let them get away with it, in many cases hush money paid to the victims family?
How does your God allow so much discrimination around the world, where from the moment you are born, where you are born has so much impact on the whole of your life from health, education, wealth and prosperity, happiness and life expectancy?
How does you God allow a serial killer, rapist, child molester or other vile offender the opportunity to repent of their evil and enter heaven to possibly walk alongside their blameless victims or parents of the victims?
I need no further proof that there is no God.
I applaud your attempts at reasoning with $$billlover, but he's not gonna listen. All that matters in his faith is that he gets to point fingers at others. Thats what attracts him to American Xtianity. Self-righteousness, and finger-pointing. He's as far from being a real follower of Jesus than you or I am.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#28 Apr 20, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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If what you say is true it still doesnt change the fact that we do not know the long term effects of some of the vaccines that are in use. This is a problem, no??
Not nearly as bad as what the long term effects of no vaccines would be.

How many people you know of that died of or was sickened by smallpox?
First vaccines 1796.We know the long term effects. NO MORE SMALLPOX!!!

Many other vaccines were developed in the early 1900's Long term effects are they all work wonderfully well.

Before vaccines millions died ever year now they don't.

All vaccines do is teach your body to recognize and react to a virus or Bacterial threat quickly.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#29 Apr 20, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
Atheists are ignorant"
AAWWW your just scared.

Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists

Deep-seated political differences aren’t simply moral and intellectual: They’re also biological.

In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.

Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.

"People are experiencing the world, experiencing threat, differently," said University of Nebraska political scientist John Hibbing. "We have very different physiological orientations."

The study, published today in Science, has not yet been duplicated, but adds a potentially troubling piece to the puzzle of biology, behavior and politics.

Earlier studies have linked reflexive responses to threats — which for testing purposes take the form of loud noises and graphic images — with existing states of heightened anxiety.

Though the Science study’s authors cautioned against an overly broad interpretation of their findings, the results suggest that fear leads to political conservatism.

"Threatening situations do indeed seem to increase people’s affinity for politically conservative opinions, leaders, and parties," said New
York University psychologist John Jost.

Study co-author Kevin Smith, also a University of Nebraska political scientist, demurred at making such a connection. "Historically speaking, politicians have appealed to the ‘be afraid’ response in the electorate in an attempt to mine votes," he said. "But in terms of going from campaigning to what we did in the laboratory, that’s a large leap."

But even Smith agreed that "people with stronger responses are more sensitive to potential threats in their environment."

Asked whether the findings imply a fearmongering strategy for conservatives, New York University psychologist David Amodio responded, "Yes.
And some people believe that they are actively using this strategy."

The Bush administration has been accused of exploiting fears, though it’s hardly a new approach.

"The whole aim of practical politics," wrote journalist gadfly H.L. Mencken,
"is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins."

Jost condemned such tactics. "From an ethical standpoint, conservative campaigns should not exploit feelings of fear in the general population," he said.

Of course, ethics tend to be forgotten during election seasons — but fear-mongering may be counterproductive.

"From a practical standpoint, I think that there will eventually be a backlash against those tactics as it becomes more obvious how exploitative they are," said Jost.

Darren Schreiber, a University of California, San Diego political psychologist, contends that a candidate "who merely tries to trigger fear simply can’t be successful in the long run. Joe McCarthy had his run, but now his name is synonymous with a vile form of politics."

Exploitation aside, there may be a gentler side to the findings.

"Instead of political opponents thinking their opposite party is simply being willfully bullheaded," said Hibbing, "you can say,‘Well, they see a little differently than I do.’"

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/fea...
Punisher

Yonkers, NY

#30 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
AAWWW your just scared.
Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists
Deep-seated political differences aren’t simply moral and intellectual: They’re also biological.
In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.
Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.
"People are experiencing the world, experiencing threat, differently," said University of Nebraska political scientist John Hibbing. "We have very different physiological orientations."
The study, published today in Science, has not yet been duplicated, but adds a potentially troubling piece to the puzzle of biology, behavior and politics.
Earlier studies have linked reflexive responses to threats — which for testing purposes take the form of loud noises and graphic images — with existing states of heightened anxiety.
Though the Science study’s authors cautioned against an overly broad interpretation of their findings, the results suggest that fear leads to political conservatism.
"Threatening situations do indeed seem to increase people’s affinity for politically conservative opinions, leaders, and parties," said New
York University psychologist John Jost.
Study co-author Kevin Smith, also a University of Nebraska political scientist, demurred at making such a connection. "Historically speaking, politicians have appealed to the ‘be afraid’ response in the electorate in an attempt to mine votes," he said. "But in terms of going from campaigning to what we did in the laboratory, that’s a large leap."
But even Smith agreed that "people with stronger responses are more sensitive to potential threats in their environment."
Asked whether the findings imply a fearmongering strategy for conservatives, New York University psychologist David Amodio responded, "Yes.
And some people believe that they are actively using this strategy."
The Bush administration has been accused of exploiting fears, though it’s hardly a new approach.
"The whole aim of practical politics," wrote journalist gadfly H.L. Mencken,
"is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins."
Jost condemned such tactics. "From an ethical standpoint, conservative campaigns should not exploit feelings of fear in the general population," he said.
Of course, ethics tend to be forgotten during election seasons — but fear-mongering may be counterproductive.
"From a practical standpoint, I think that there will eventually be a backlash against those tactics as it becomes more obvious how exploitative they are," said Jost.
Darren Schreiber, a University of California, San Diego political psychologist, contends that a candidate "who merely tries to trigger fear simply can’t be successful in the long run. Joe McCarthy had his run, but now his name is synonymous with a vile form of politics."
Exploitation aside, there may be a gentler side to the findings.
"Instead of political opponents thinking their opposite party is simply being willfully bullheaded," said Hibbing, "you can say,‘Well, they see a little differently than I do.’"
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/fea...
Good stuff.

GOP conservatives appeal to fear of others, xenophobia in general - while Dems tend to appeal to the fear of not fixing injustices.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#31 Apr 20, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>
Good stuff.
GOP conservatives appeal to fear of others, xenophobia in general - while Dems tend to appeal to the fear of not fixing injustices.
They’ve taken it seriously all right, as a serious threat to their agenda. A well informed populace is hard to lie to. A well informed population is hard to manipulate with propaganda. A well informed population is hard to convince that economic suicide is a viable platform.
The Right has spent decades slowly eroding the foundations of intellectual America. Where once teachers were respected and scientists idolized, now they are pariahs. Teachers’ Unions are the cause of our failing schools! Educated people are elitists! Intellectuals are Socialists! Scientists are all lying to you about the environment! Except for this small handful of scientists and intellectuals that inexplicably agree with everything we paid them to say, you can trust them.
little lamb

Australia

#32 Apr 20, 2013
Its quite possible that an atheist could be more caring then a christian..but its FAITH in Christ that God is looking for...and its his criteria

God loved the world so much he sent his only begotten son. that whosoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

Humans don't set the criteria..I know its hard to recognize we are not God..but alas we are not ..and its his will that must be done not ours.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#33 Apr 20, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Its quite possible that an atheist could be more caring then a christian..but its FAITH in Christ that God is looking for...and its his criteria
God loved the world so much he sent his only begotten son. that whosoever exercises faith in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Humans don't set the criteria..I know its hard to recognize we are not God..but alas we are not ..and its his will that must be done not ours.
Matthew
Then he will say to those at his left hand,‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer,‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them,‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Atheist take care of those in need better.In United States it is most always the Christians that say take food stamps away from hungry families.It is Christians that take unemployment checks away.It is Christians that don't want to pay for healthcare for the poor.

IMO if god places his worship or belief in Jesus over the needs of the poor he does not believe in his own words.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#34 Apr 20, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Who whines about the very idea of Public Healthcare?
Who then whines that we need to do something about the mentally ill after attacks like Newtown Ct, then remembers that means public healthcare...!?!
Who thinks any sort of attempts to fix various entitlement programs means doing nothing at all?(except of course touching their medicare.)
Mostly American Xtians who vote GOP no matter what moron they put on their ballots. Romney and Bachmann perfect examples.
While the Libs want to 'take' ALL of your money and just give it away...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#35 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
Many Christians do not believe it is good to vaccinate children.
Are you that daft?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#36 Apr 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Anytime, Roland. As you know, it is very rare that there are just two options. Maybe someone will read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
<quoted text>
I have always been curious as to why the loose use of that word. Different meaning perhaps?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#37 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Not nearly as bad as what the long term effects of no vaccines would be.
How many people you know of that died of or was sickened by smallpox?
First vaccines 1796.We know the long term effects. NO MORE SMALLPOX!!!
Many other vaccines were developed in the early 1900's Long term effects are they all work wonderfully well.
Before vaccines millions died ever year now they don't.
All vaccines do is teach your body to recognize and react to a virus or Bacterial threat quickly.
Yet you applaud abortion, the greatest scourge of this time...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#38 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
AAWWW your just scared.
Conservatives Scare More Easily Than Liberals, Say Scientists
Deep-seated political differences aren’t simply moral and intellectual: They’re also biological.
In reflex tests of 46 political partisans, psychologists found that conservatives were more likely than liberals to be shocked by sudden threats.
Accompanying the physiological differences were deep differences on hot-button political issues: military expansion, the Iraq war, gun control, capital punishment, the Patriot act, warrantless searches, foreign aid, abortion rights, gay marriage, premarital sex and pornography.
"People are experiencing the world, experiencing threat, differently," said University of Nebraska political scientist John Hibbing. "We have very different physiological orientations."
The study, published today in Science, has not yet been duplicated, but adds a potentially troubling piece to the puzzle of biology, behavior and politics.
Earlier studies have linked reflexive responses to threats — which for testing purposes take the form of loud noises and graphic images — with existing states of heightened anxiety.
Though the Science study’s authors cautioned against an overly broad interpretation of their findings, the results suggest that fear leads to political conservatism.
"Threatening situations do indeed seem to increase people’s affinity for politically conservative opinions, leaders, and parties," said New
York University psychologist John Jost.
Study co-author Kevin Smith, also a University of Nebraska political scientist, demurred at making such a connection. "Historically speaking, politicians have appealed to the ‘be afraid’ response in the electorate in an attempt to mine votes," he said. "But in terms of going from campaigning to what we did in the laboratory, that’s a large leap."
But even Smith agreed that "people with stronger responses are more sensitive to potential threats in their environment."
Asked whether the findings imply a fearmongering strategy for conservatives, New York University psychologist David Amodio responded, "Yes.
And some people believe that they are actively using this strategy."
The Bush administration has been accused of exploiting fears, though it’s hardly a new approach.
"The whole aim of practical politics," wrote journalist gadfly H.L. Mencken,
"is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins."
Jost condemned such tactics. "From an ethical standpoint, conservative campaigns should not exploit feelings of fear in the general population," he said.
Of course, ethics tend to be forgotten during election seasons — but fear-mongering may be counterproductive.
"From a practical standpoint, I think that there will eventually be a backlash against those tactics as it becomes more obvious how exploitative they are," said Jost.
Darren Schreiber, a University of California, San Diego political psychologist, contends that a candidate "who merely tries to trigger fear simply can’t be successful in the long run. Joe McCarthy had his run, but now his name is synonymous with a vile form of politics."
Exploitation aside, there may be a gentler side to the findings.
"Instead of political opponents thinking their opposite party is simply being willfully bullheaded," said Hibbing, "you can say,‘Well, they see a little differently than I do.’"
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/fea...
46 people? That's a 'good' slice of Americana...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#39 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
They’ve taken it seriously all right, as a serious threat to their agenda. A well informed populace is hard to lie to. A well informed population is hard to manipulate with propaganda. A well informed population is hard to convince that economic suicide is a viable platform.
The Right has spent decades slowly eroding the foundations of intellectual America. Where once teachers were respected and scientists idolized, now they are pariahs. Teachers’ Unions are the cause of our failing schools! Educated people are elitists! Intellectuals are Socialists! Scientists are all lying to you about the environment! Except for this small handful of scientists and intellectuals that inexplicably agree with everything we paid them to say, you can trust them.
It's all a conspiracy...just depends upon which one you believe...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#40 Apr 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
Matthew
Then he will say to those at his left hand,‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer,‘Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?’ 45 Then he will answer them,‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Atheist take care of those in need better.In United States it is most always the Christians that say take food stamps away from hungry families.It is Christians that take unemployment checks away.It is Christians that don't want to pay for healthcare for the poor.
IMO if god places his worship or belief in Jesus over the needs of the poor he does not believe in his own words.
The problem with this argument is: the poor already have healthcare...

Another one is: Atheists make up <10% of the population, yet you 'claim' they do more? Why don't you take ALL things like charities, food shelves, meals on wheels, etc into consideration... then report back to us...

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#41 Apr 20, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you that daft?
I don't live in a bubble like you do.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#42 Apr 20, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you that daft?
Parents Using 'Religion' to Avoid Vaccinating Children
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302858,00...

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#43 Apr 20, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Yet you applaud abortion, the greatest scourge of this time...
No I do not.Less abortions is what I want. Abortion Rates Are Higher In Countries Where Procedure Is Illegal

About 47,000 women died from unsafe abortions in 2008, and another 8.5 million women had serious medical complications.

Unsafe abortions rose from 44 percent in 1995 to 49 percent in 2008, the last year for which statistics were available.

Ever country with a low abortion rate has free birth control and real sex education not that Abstinence-Only crap.

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