Is Paul "the False Prophet?"
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#357 Nov 14, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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By Jews I am talkng about the lieral descendants of Abraham who ae Torah obsrvant.
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It does not matter what the Jews did or do think about Jesus, that has absolutely no bearing on their interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures. Apples and oranges.
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You are one person. You don't read hebrew. All you have is your unsupported opinion! Your opinion does NOT prove anything.
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And what Im telling you is that HEBREWS are the physical descendants of Jacob. Jews adhere to the religion of Judaism which (for the most part as there are some small sects that do otherwise) do not adhere to the Torah.

You say Jesus is the messiah as prophesied in HEBREW SCRIPTURE. So yes what their look (if you're gonna act like what they think in the Talmud is valid) matters when it comes to WHO YOU SAY THEIR SCRIPTURE SPEAKS ABOUT.

I am one person. But you do not know who is with me ;)
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#358 Nov 14, 2012
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Go take a flying leap.
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Do you read Hebrew? If not and I am sure you don't, this argument is meaningless.
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Nothing but babbling to support your assumptpions/presuppositions. Sounds just like the babblings of all C.U.L.T.S. before you, JW, LDS, UU, SDA, OP, etc. etc. etc.
No thanks.

Do you read Hebrew? Probably not. Do you read Greek? Probably not. So whats your point?

I've supported my "opinions" using scriptre time and time again you just dont accept it because you do not accept Moses's authority. So if you do not accept Moses (or say his teaching is done away with) then of course you will not accept mine.

Christianity is a pagan cult ;)
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#359 Nov 14, 2012
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Oh how I wish you would recognize the Spirit of the Old and New Testament.
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I can say the same for you. But sorry I cannot accept a "messiah" if he doesnt do all the things that the Tanakh says the messiah will do. If he comes back and then fulfills all the messianic prophecies then thats a different story. But nowadays with people forgetting about the commandments of the Almighty, calling Jesus the Almighty, and straight up giving others a license to sin, I cannot believe that Jesus is the messiah.
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#360 Nov 14, 2012
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And another thing, I don't know what Jesus you are accepting from the Gentiles to reject him but our Lord Jesus is not God (LORD).
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Im not accepting ANY JESUS at all. I accept the Almighty One of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The God of Israel. The One who ALWAYS EXISTED etc... I accept Him and the ones He spoke thru (His prophets and servants in the Tanakh) Jesus spoke against these in his teachings which is why I do not accept him. It has nothing to do with the gentiles who TWIST his word (Jesus) as well as the word of the Almighty.
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#361 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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I can say the same for you. But sorry I cannot accept a "messiah" if he doesnt do all the things that the Tanakh says the messiah will do. If he comes back and then fulfills all the messianic prophecies then thats a different story. But nowadays with people forgetting about the commandments of the Almighty, calling Jesus the Almighty, and straight up giving others a license to sin, I cannot believe that Jesus is the messiah.
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Like I said, you don't have to accept the Jesus's, the 1,200 Gentile Christian sects are teaching today (2 Corinthians 11:4). As long as you keep the God of Israel's word in the OT ,you also believe in Jesus who the new Testament refers to as the word of God (Revelation 19:13).

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And remember, Zechariah 4 tells us there are two parts of Israel who are anointed by God for two special roles. If you give the Scriptures (old and new) half a chance you will see that one part is called to reject the false Jesus Gentiles are teaching, although they are using Jesus' real name today, and the other part is called to teach Gentiles the truth about God, Jesus, and the Bible. Both will be saved by faith.

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servant

Mérida, Mexico

#362 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Im not accepting ANY JESUS at all. I accept the Almighty One of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. The God of Israel. The One who ALWAYS EXISTED etc... I accept Him and the ones He spoke thru (His prophets and servants in the Tanakh) Jesus spoke against these in his teachings which is why I do not accept him. It has nothing to do with the gentiles who TWIST his word (Jesus) as well as the word of the Almighty.
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But what you are forgetting is that no one has hever seen God. Moses and the Prophets though have seen the Angel of the LORD, who is not God. You're forgetting about God's Name being in this Angel (Exodus 23:20-21) that was sent ahead of Moses and the Prophets of the OT .

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---Exodus 23:20-21 “See, I (God) am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

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more examples: Genesis 16:7-12; Genesis 21:17-18; Genesis 22:11-18; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; Judges 5:24; Judges 6:11-24; Judges 13: 3-22; Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; Zechariah 3:1; and Zechariah 12:8

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In ( PSALMS 110:1 ), we even see David telling us that God the Father ( the LORD ) made this Ambassador ( Angel ) both Lord and Messiah ( see Acts 2:34-36 ).

Plus, if David referred to Jesus as Lord then we know that he wasn't the Son of David ( read----Matthew 22:42-46 ). Even Jesus was showing us that His God and Father ( LORD ) made him 'Lord'.

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1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#363 Nov 14, 2012
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Like I said, you don't have to accept the Jesus's, the 1,200 Gentile Christian sects are teaching today (2 Corinthians 11:4). As long as you keep the God of Israel's word in the OT ,you also believe in Jesus who the new Testament refers to as the word of God (Revelation 19:13).
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And remember, Zechariah 4 tells us there are two parts of Israel who are anointed by God for two special roles. If you give the Scriptures (old and new) half a chance you will see that one part is called to reject the false Jesus Gentiles are teaching, although they are using Jesus' real name today, and the other part is called to teach Gentiles the truth about God, Jesus, and the Bible. Both will be saved by faith.
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I do try to keep the word of the Almighty as shown in the Tanakh. But in me doing this, it forces me to reject the NT.

And I have given the OT and NT a chance. I was once christian till I compared both to see if they were compatible and they are not.
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#364 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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I do try to keep the word of the Almighty as shown in the Tanakh. But in me doing this, it forces me to reject the NT.
And I have given the OT and NT a chance. I was once christian till I compared both to see if they were compatible and they are not.
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Oh brother, but they are. I thought the same at one time. But like I said, I don't need to tell you about what you worship (John 4:22). You already know.

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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#365 Nov 14, 2012
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But what you are forgetting is that no one has hever seen God. Moses and the Prophets though have seen the Angel of the LORD, who is not God. You're forgetting about God's Name being in this Angel (Exodus 23:20-21) that was sent ahead of Moses and the Prophets of the OT .
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---Exodus 23:20-21 “See, I (God) am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

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more examples: Genesis 16:7-12; Genesis 21:17-18; Genesis 22:11-18; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; Judges 5:24; Judges 6:11-24; Judges 13: 3-22; Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; Zechariah 3:1; and Zechariah 12:8
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In ( PSALMS 110:1 ), we even see David telling us that God the Father ( the LORD ) made this Ambassador ( Angel ) both Lord and Messiah ( see Acts 2:34-36 ).
Plus, if David referred to Jesus as Lord then we know that he wasn't the Son of David ( read----Matthew 22:42-46 ). Even Jesus was showing us that His God and Father ( LORD ) made him 'Lord'.
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1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
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Since you have shown me respect during our convo I dont want you to take this as disrespect but to me you are a christian that follows the Torah. Because you are using the same arguments they do.

Moses spoke to the Almighty as a friend does to another face to face (Exodus 33:11). Ezekiel saw the Almighty in his throne. So while no one may have seen the true form of the Almighty (lest they die)He has revealed himself to men. Such as Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, and Ezekiel. Maybe more that Im forgetting.

The angel of the Almighty is in no way AUTOMATICALLY Jesus. Just an angel that was given the authority from above. Such as the Almighty giving Moses the AUTHORITY to be called a God to Israel and Aaron his prophet.

Psalm 110

Is not David speaking of Jesus. BUT THE ALMIGHTY speaking of DAVID. So if you take it as a servant of David writing that (since David didnt write ALL of the book of Psalms) you can take it as MY LORD (THE ALMIGHTY) says to my MASTER (LORD) DAVID etc....

As for Paul. I am sure without a doubt that he was a false prophet. Since he taught against the commands of the Almighty. He taught that you are saved by grace and not the works of the law (i.e commandments of the Almighty of Israel).
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#366 Nov 14, 2012
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Oh brother, but they are. I thought the same at one time. But like I said, I don't need to tell you about what you worship (John 4:22). You already know.
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Hosea 13:4
Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.

Luke 2:11
Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.

Not compatible. How can I accept Hosea 13:4 in saying that the ONLY SAVIOR is My Father the Almighty of Israel but then go acknowledge another savior (contradicting Hosea 13:4 and others) in Jesus? See how I say its not compatible? I mean even though angels were helping the Israelites who did they acknowledge did all those things? The angels or the Eternal One?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#367 Nov 14, 2012
Thank you for understanding who I am trying to worship and serve though I am not worthy. It seems that you are on the same track. Just remember that He said there would be a false prophet that did signs and wonders that would come to pass.
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#368 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
<quoted text>As for Paul. I am sure without a doubt that he was a false prophet. Since he taught against the commands of the Almighty. He taught that you are saved by grace and not the works of the law (i.e commandments of the Almighty of Israel).
No. That is Gentiles putting words in Paul's mouth. It's been prohecied that men would turn "grace" into a life of immorality ( Jude 1:4 ). I not asking you to believe the new testament but just hear me out for again and read the scriptures I provide. Here is an free online tool you can use.

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http://biblos.com/

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Now, Gentiles have used their own brand of 'Grace' as a liscence to say it's okay to continue sinning or what they refer to as back sliding. In other words, they use 'grace' to say Jesus will forgive them no matter they do because they are not under the law (or commandments Jesus taught) but are under their brand of grace. This isn't a doctrine the Apostles were teaching ( 1 John 3:9 )and they insult the Spirit of grace by saying this ( John 14:15-16 ----Hebrews 10:26-29).

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Now, according to the New Testament the only laws (or commandments) that were done away with were the laws directly concerning the worshiping system in the Temple in Jerusalem also known as the law of sin and death (Hebrews 10). In other words, once our Passover Lamb ( Jesus ) was sacrificed, the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death ( Romans 8).

PLEASE READ ALL OF HEBREWS 10 & ROMANS 8

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----ROMANS 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death ---->( Hebrews 10:1-18*).

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---- ROMANS 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law ( of sin and death*), but under grace ( see Hebrews 10:26-29 *)."

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So again, once a person has a full knowledge of the truth ( John 14:15-16 ) he does not insult Jesus, who is the Spirit of grace ( Hebrews 10:26-29 ), by continue sinning ( breaking the commandments of God that Jesus told us to keep ). And since the book of Hebrews Chapter 10 verses 15-16 also tells us that Holy Spirit came and God's laws were written on the minds of all people ( Jeremiah 31:33-34 = Romans 2:14-16 ) after Pentecost, then Gentiles should have no problem keeping Biblical principles, doctrines, or laws ( or the commandments Jesus told us to keep ). This my friend is having faith in Jesus ( John 14:12 ) but Gentiles continue to teach lip service worship.

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----Romans 3:31 " Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."

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---MATTHEW 7:22-23 “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father (God) who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me (Jesus),‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them,‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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Remember, Jesus showed us how the commandments of God should be done ( 1 John 2:3-6 ). This passage proves that God never did away with the commandments of the Old Testament Just as Jesus said ( MATTHEW 5:17-20 ).

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---- 1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He (the man) that saith, "I know him", and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he (Jesus) walked.

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servant

Mérida, Mexico

#369 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Hosea 13:4
Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.
Luke 2:11
Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.
Not compatible. How can I accept Hosea 13:4 in saying that the ONLY SAVIOR is My Father the Almighty of Israel but then go acknowledge another savior (contradicting Hosea 13:4 and others) in Jesus? See how I say its not compatible? I mean even though angels were helping the Israelites who did they acknowledge did all those things? The angels or the Eternal One?
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You're still not taking into consideration what God said to Moses (Exodus 23:20-23). God's Name was in this angel . In other words through out the Old Testament, God Almighty was speaking thru this Ambassador (Angel) and this angel (Ambassador) was speaking through Moses and the Prophets through out the OT. But... even though this Ambassador was speaking through the Prophets, I would never make the mistake of saying it's the Ambassadors own words. It was his God and Father's words. There is only one God and Savior. When this Ambassador came in new testament times it was the same (examples: Acts 2:21-- Acts 10:38---Hebrews 1:1-4)

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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#370 Nov 14, 2012
servant wrote:
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No. That is Gentiles putting words in Paul's mouth. It's been prohecied that men would turn "grace" into a life of immorality ( Jude 1:4 ). I not asking you to believe the new testament but just hear me out for again and read the scriptures I provide. Here is an free online tool you can use.
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http://biblos.com/
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Now, Gentiles have used their own brand of 'Grace' as a liscence to say it's okay to continue sinning or what they refer to as back sliding. In other words, they use 'grace' to say Jesus will forgive them no matter they do because they are not under the law (or commandments Jesus taught) but are under their brand of grace. This isn't a doctrine the Apostles were teaching ( 1 John 3:9 )and they insult the Spirit of grace by saying this ( John 14:15-16 ----Hebrews 10:26-29).
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Now, according to the New Testament the only laws (or commandments) that were done away with were the laws directly concerning the worshiping system in the Temple in Jerusalem also known as the law of sin and death (Hebrews 10). In other words, once our Passover Lamb ( Jesus ) was sacrificed, the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death ( Romans 8).
PLEASE READ ALL OF HEBREWS 10 & ROMANS 8
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----ROMANS 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death ---->( Hebrews 10:1-18*).
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---- ROMANS 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law ( of sin and death*), but under grace ( see Hebrews 10:26-29 *)."
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So again, once a person has a full knowledge of the truth ( John 14:15-16 ) he does not insult Jesus, who is the Spirit of grace ( Hebrews 10:26-29 ), by continue sinning ( breaking the commandments of God that Jesus told us to keep ). And since the book of Hebrews Chapter 10 verses 15-16 also tells us that Holy Spirit came and God's laws were written on the minds of all people ( Jeremiah 31:33-34 = Romans 2:14-16 ) after Pentecost, then Gentiles should have no problem keeping Biblical principles, doctrines, or laws ( or the commandments Jesus told us to keep ). This my friend is having faith in Jesus ( John 14:12 ) but Gentiles continue to teach lip service worship.
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----Romans 3:31 " Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law."
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---MATTHEW 7:22-23 “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father (God) who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me (Jesus),‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them,‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
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Remember, Jesus showed us how the commandments of God should be done ( 1 John 2:3-6 ). This passage proves that God never did away with the commandments of the Old Testament Just as Jesus said ( MATTHEW 5:17-20 ).
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---- 1 John 2:3-6 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He (the man) that saith, "I know him", and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he (Jesus) walked.
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According to what people call the "old" testament which makes it seem like its done away with, the GENTILE and the ISRAELITE live by the same law (Leviticus 24:22,Numbers 15:29, Exodus 12:49, Isaiah 56:1-9) Can you show me where HE(not Paul)said that there were two different laws for different people?
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#371 Nov 14, 2012
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What John said about God the Father's form and his Ambassador making him known:

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--John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

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Examples of what our Lord Jesus (the Son) made known about his God and Father's form:

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--John 4:22 God (the Father) is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

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--John 5:37-38 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.

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What the Apostles were still teaching about God the Father's form after our Lord and Ambassador came and made Him (God) known:

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1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

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-----1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.



------1 TIMOTHY 6:15-16 Which (God *) in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (God*) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.


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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#372 Nov 14, 2012
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You're still not taking into consideration what God said to Moses (Exodus 23:20-23). God's Name was in this angel . In other words through out the Old Testament, God Almighty was speaking thru this Ambassador (Angel) and this angel (Ambassador) was speaking through Moses and the Prophets through out the OT. But... even though this Ambassador was speaking through the Prophets, I would never make the mistake of saying it's the Ambassadors own words. It was his God and Father's words. There is only one God and Savior. When this Ambassador came in new testament times it was the same (examples: Acts 2:21-- Acts 10:38---Hebrews 1:1-4)
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That doesnt mean the angel was the savior or that JESUS WAS AUTOMATICALLY THIS ANGEL. The angel was given authority just as Moses was given the authority to be God to the Israelites. This is not saying that Moses was to deviate from the left or to the right of what he was commanded by the Almighty. Jesus on the other hand added onto what Moses said not to.

Deuteronomy 4:2
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Matthew 5
1 “You have heard that it was said to those of old,‘You shall not murder,[a] and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother,‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says,‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
Adultery in the Heart

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old,[c]‘You shall not commit adultery.’[d] 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
Marriage Is Sacred and Binding

31 “Furthermore it has been said,‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality[e] causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Jesus Forbids Oaths

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old,‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
Go the Second Mile

38 “You have heard that it was said,‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’[f] 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. And more and more.

What you are not getting is that the NT tells us that JESUS (not the God of Israel) is our savior. In fact it focuses on faith in him over father over the FIRST
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#373 Nov 14, 2012
servant wrote:
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What John said about God the Father's form and his Ambassador making him known:
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--John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Examples of what our Lord Jesus (the Son) made known about his God and Father's form:
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--John 4:22 God (the Father) is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”
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--John 5:37-38 And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.
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What the Apostles were still teaching about God the Father's form after our Lord and Ambassador came and made Him (God) known:
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1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
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-----1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
------1 TIMOTHY 6:15-16 Which (God *) in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (God*) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.
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The NT is like the OT speaking and focusing on the ANGEl of the ALMIGHTY instead of the ALMIGHTY ONE WHO ALWAYS EXISTED. That is the difference. I mean the biggest instance where the focus MAINLY lies on the Almighty is in the last book. Revelation. Till then, the focus is on what you call the "angel of the Lord" as seen in the OT. I dont see this because I thing Jesus would have taught the law and commandments of the Almighty over adding onto it and taking away from it. Nonetheless the focus is NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

Even though the angel guided Israel thru the wilderness do you know if they called the angel their savior? Do you know if they praised the angel over the Almighty? I dont believe so but maybe you have read something that I have forgotten. They gave all glory to the ONE that sent the angel to help them. Not only leading them out of Egypt, but leading them thru battles. Its the Almighty who deserves glory. It is the Almighty that is the savior. Not Jesus not me not you not Paul not James not Moses, not Abraham not... Well you should get the idea by now
Sola Scriptura

United States

#374 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Oh sure he "handed my ass on a platter" because he agreed with you right?
No. Because he agrees with SCRIPTURE. You DID notice he quoted scripture didn't you?
Sola Scriptura

United States

#375 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Its not hard to go three pages or four back and see what was said. That said its no surprise you do not once you've been backed into a corner.
Yes I am a man. Nonetheless I havent told you anything but what the word states. You dont accept it so you dont accept me. You dont accept Moses words as being applicable so of course you're not going to accept me. I already understand that.
Show me how Psalm 22 is a prophecy. You making the statement "this group of people believed it to be so!" is not proof. So show me (using the text) how its a prophecy. YOU CANT. Its clearly talking of David. IN FACT if its a prophecy of the Messiah JESUS STILL DOESNT FULFILL ALL OF IT. So in the end it is not about him.
Hopefully you understand that theres a difference between a JEW and a HEBREW. A Hebrew follows the TORAH in full. Not deviating to the right or to the left. That doesnt mean He's perfect. But it means that He doesnt add or take away from the TORAH and the word of the ALMIGHTY. A JEW follows parts of the TORAH but adds and takes away from it. They are not the same as Hebrews. Jews = RELIGION. HEBREWS = SONS OF ISRAEL. Theres a difference
We don't follow Moses, sorry.
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#376 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Im sorry Im to "srupid" to know the difference between the child of a gentile (cough cough a gentile) and what I said. How can I stop being so "srupid"? Do you know? I dont want to be "srupid" anymore can you help me?
Sighs theres a difference between the Jews and the Hebrews. If you do not know this than thats on you. But the adherents of the JEWISH religion are different than the BIOLOGICAL SONS OF ISRAEL.
Do YOU think you know more than the Jews? Because last time I checked, Jews said Jesus was a false prophet and not the messiah and not god. Which obviously you do not agree with. So the same question is asked to you since you are too "srupid" to understand that Psalm 22 is not a prophecy.
PS I only called you names because you called me one. Maybe next time you can show some respect as Ive shown you?
The Jews that are of the synagogue of satan?

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