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I see a lot of mindless, hysterical accusationa, "the Gentiles did this, that and the other," but NO, NONE, ZERO evidence. Just another wannabe Jew venting his anti-Christain rhetoris.
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EPHESIANS 4:17-19 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

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Seems like he just handed you your ass on a platter. But being the typical WHATEVER you are, you ignore it.
Oh sure he "handed my ass on a platter" because he agreed with you right?
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Cry me a river. If you have a post you really want me to address tell me. If a post is pushed back more thana page or two I probably will not see it.
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And you are just a man. I doubt if you can even read Hebrew thus you have no background to correctly interpret the OT. We can rely on the intepretation of the ancient jews because they have no presuppositions to influence their interpretation.
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The authors of the NT did not twist anything. The Jews understood Psalm 22 to be a prophecy of the messiah long before the Christian era and the Christians who wrote the NT were Jews.
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Lying bulk wrap. It is not necessary to address every point a C.U.L.T.S.-ite copy/pastes here. If 2-3 points are refuted the rest of the house of cards collapses.
Its not hard to go three pages or four back and see what was said. That said its no surprise you do not once you've been backed into a corner.

Yes I am a man. Nonetheless I havent told you anything but what the word states. You dont accept it so you dont accept me. You dont accept Moses words as being applicable so of course you're not going to accept me. I already understand that.

Show me how Psalm 22 is a prophecy. You making the statement "this group of people believed it to be so!" is not proof. So show me (using the text) how its a prophecy. YOU CANT. Its clearly talking of David. IN FACT if its a prophecy of the Messiah JESUS STILL DOESNT FULFILL ALL OF IT. So in the end it is not about him.

Hopefully you understand that theres a difference between a JEW and a HEBREW. A Hebrew follows the TORAH in full. Not deviating to the right or to the left. That doesnt mean He's perfect. But it means that He doesnt add or take away from the TORAH and the word of the ALMIGHTY. A JEW follows parts of the TORAH but adds and takes away from it. They are not the same as Hebrews. Jews = RELIGION. HEBREWS = SONS OF ISRAEL. Theres a difference

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Ephesians 17:19 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.
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As I said, lies, lies, and more lies. You failed to note the chapter number which is 4 and vs. 17 reads not as you have posted it, but, "that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind," You omitted the word "other". And of course since you thrive on dishonesty and deceit you omitted the following verses.
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Eph 4:20-24
(20) You, however, did not come to know Christ that way.
(21) Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.
(22) You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
(23) to be made new in the attitude of your minds;
(24) and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
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This says nothing about living as Jews and living under the law.
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What's that you were telling that muslim fellow "muslims can't dictate what's in the Christian Bible". Well if you actually took heed to what Jesus said (John 4:22), you would be smart and let the remnant of Israel (Romans 11:13-21) teach you the Jewish scriptures you err in. I think they know what they worship.
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More dishonesty. Selective reading of Romans.
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Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
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Israel has been hardened until the time of the Gentiles is completed, then God will turn their godlessness away and take away their sins.
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Note, godlessness, and full of sin. A remnant that are enemies of God, vs. 11:28, who are godless and full of sin cannot teach me or any other Christian the Jewish scriptures!
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The difference between CHristians and Muslims, is, the Hebrew OT has been Christian scriptures since the beginning of the church and many, many Christians were and are Jews.
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Hello Flygerian
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The reason most Gentiles preachers and their followers can't prove their claims is because they err at not knowing the scriptures. They will tell you that Jesus died in order to abolish the Old Testament and all it's laws which is a lie. Their ancestors, who were grafted into Israel ( Romans 11:13-21 ) by the Jewish Apostles ( John 4:22 ) have learned over time how to use and twist the scriptures in order to preserve their own particular doctrines and brands of Christianity. One being their own personal doctrine of 'grace'. Yes, the scriptures say we are saved by grace but the descendants of false teachers have twisted Jesus and the Jewish Apostles words. They have turned "grace" into a life of immorality ( Jude 1:4 ). They have used their brand of 'Grace' as a liscence to say it's okay to continue sinning or what they refer to as back sliding. In other words, they use 'grace' to say Jesus will forgive them no matter they do because they are not under the law (or commandments Jesus taught) but are under their brand of grace. This isn't a doctrine the Apostles were teaching ( 1 John 3:9 )and they insult the Spirit of grace by saying this ( John 14:15-16 ----Hebrews 10:26-29)
Now, according to the New Testament the only laws (or commandments) that were done away with were the laws directly concerning the worshiping system in the Temple in Jerusalem also known as the law of sin and death ( read Hebrews 10). In other words, once our Passover Lamb ( Jesus ) was sacrificed, the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death ( read Romans 8). PLEASE READ ALL OF HEBREWS 10 and ROMANS 8.
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----ROMANS 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death ( Hebrews 10:1-18*).
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---- ROMANS 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law ( of sin and death*), but under grace ( see Hebrews 10:26-29 *)."
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So again, once a person has a full knowledge of the truth ( John 14:15-16 ) he does not insult Jesus, who is the Spirit of grace ( Hebrews 10:26-29 ), by continue sinning ( breaking the commandments of God that Jesus told us to keep ). And since the book of Hebrews Chapter 10 verses 15-16 also tells us that Holy Spirit came and God's laws were written on the minds of all people ( Jeremiah 31:33-34 = Romans 2:14-16 ) after Pentecost, then Gentiles should have no problem keeping Biblical principles, doctrines, or laws ( or the commandments Jesus told us to keep ). This my friend is having faith in Jesus ( John 14:12 ) but Gentiles continue to teach lip service worship. He showed us how the commandments of God should be done ( 1 John 2:3-6 ). And by the way, since Jesus also said the scriptures only speak about him, and he said before the New Testament existed, then he is verifying in ( MATTHEW 5:17-20 ) what I'm telling you.
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If you are interested in the Scriptures exposing any more of their lies I'd be glad to help.
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How can you expose their lies but not Paul's?
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Mr Richards, you do know the Talmud is the same book that calls you gentiles cattle right? And that killing a gentile is the same as killing an animal? And this is the book you use for inspiration of what the Hebrews believed instead of the Torah?

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Flygerian wrote:
Its not hard to go three pages or four back and see what was said. That said its no surprise you do not once you've been backed into a corner.
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Lying sack gush hit! You have never and can never back me into a corner. If you think so show me where.
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Yes I am a man. Nonetheless I havent told you anything but what the word states. You dont accept it so you dont accept me. You dont accept Moses words as being applicable so of course you're not going to accept me. I already understand that.
Show me how Psalm 22 is a prophecy. You making the statement "this group of people believed it to be so!" is not proof. So show me (using the text) how its a prophecy.
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The NT shows how Psalm 22 is a prophecy. This is supported by the Jews. OTOH all you got is your opinion!
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YOU CANT. Its clearly talking of David. IN FACT if its a prophecy of the Messiah JESUS STILL DOESNT FULFILL ALL OF IT. So in the end it is not about him.
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Which parts of Psalm 22 does Jesus not fulfill?
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Hopefully you understand that theres a difference between a JEW and a HEBREW. A Hebrew follows the TORAH in full. Not deviating to the right or to the left. That doesnt mean He's perfect. But it means that He doesnt add or take away from the TORAH and the word of the ALMIGHTY. A JEW follows parts of the TORAH but adds and takes away from it. They are not the same as Hebrews. Jews = RELIGION. HEBREWS = SONS OF ISRAEL. Theres a difference
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Bulk wrap! Bulk wrap! Bulk wrap! There is no difference between a Hebrew and Jew. That is just a phony distinction you concocted trying to twist facts to suit your purpose. You are just a phony wannabe, pretending to be more righteous than the actual descendants of Abraham. Remember that remnant? That ain't you!
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As I said, lies, lies, and more lies. You failed to note the chapter number which is 4 and vs. 17 reads not as you have posted it, but, "that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind," You omitted the word "other". And of course since you thrive on dishonesty and deceit you omitted the following verses.
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Eph 4:20-24
(20) You, however, did not come to know Christ that way.
(21) Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.
(22) You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
(23) to be made new in the attitude of your minds;
(24) and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
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Well have you? Have you put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires to be made new in the ATTITUDE of your mind?

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More dishonesty. Selective reading of Romans.
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Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
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Israel has been hardened until the time of the Gentiles is completed, then God will turn their godlessness away and take away their sins.
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Note, godlessness, and full of sin. A remnant that are enemies of God, vs. 11:28, who are godless and full of sin cannot teach me or any other Christian the Jewish scriptures!

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The Jewish Apostle Paul was talking about the Pharisees who at that time had turned their sect of Judaism into a private club , when God intended them to proselytize the entire human race ( Isaiah 49:6 --- Acts 13:47 ). He was not talking about the Jewish followers and Apostles of Christ who were grafting Gentiles into Israel (Romans 11). Jesus was not a liar (John 4:22 --John 10:16).

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How can you expose their lies but not Paul's?
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Don't worry brother, you don't have to accept the Jesus, Gentiles are teaching (2 Corinthians 11:4). As long as you keep the God of Israel's word in the OT ,you also believe in Jesus who the new Testament refers to as the word of God (Revelation 19:13). Remember, Zechariah tells us there are two parts of Israel who are anointed by God for two special roles. If you give the Scriptures a chance you will see that one is called to reject the false Jesus Gentiles are teaching and the other is called to teach Gentiles the truth about God, Jesus, and the Bible.

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Mr Richards, you do know the Talmud is the same book that calls you gentiles cattle right? And that killing a gentile is the same as killing an animal? And this is the book you use for inspiration of what the Hebrews believed instead of the Torah?
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Wrong! It says "The issue, i.e. child, of a gentile is as that of a beast!"
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Too bad you are too srupid to know the difference between the Jews interpreting their own Hebrew scriptures and them villifying Christians which does not entail intepreting scripture.
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Do you think you knoew more than the Jews about interpreting the Hebrew scriptures?
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Well have you? Have you put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires to be made new in the ATTITUDE of your mind?
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Have you? It is not your business what I have or have not done!
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The Jewish Apostle Paul was talking about the Pharisees who at that time had turned their sect of Judaism into a private club , when God intended them to proselytize the entire human race ( Isaiah 49:6 --- Acts 13:47 ). He was not talking about the Jewish followers and Apostles of Christ who were grafting Gentiles into Israel (Romans 11). Jesus was not a liar (John 4:22 --John 10:16).
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Where does Paul say he ws talking about the Pharisees? And where does he say that he was talkiing about "Jewish followers and Apostles of Christ?"
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Since you like to make reference to scripture without quoting it, here is one for you. The only requirements for Gentile Christians is listed in Acts 15. It is repeated three times and approved by the council of disciples at Jerusalem including James the brother of Jesus.
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Where does Paul say he ws talking about the Pharisees? And where does he say that he was talkiing about "Jewish followers and Apostles of Christ?"
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Paul( hence: and Israelite) was a Jewish follower of Christ . And I would say the other 72 were also.

In Romans 11 Paul was talking about those of Israel whose heart had been hardened and who had turned their sect of Judasim into a private club when God had intended for them to procelytize the human race ..uh....that would be the Pharisees.

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( PLEASE READ Isaiah 49:6 --- Acts 13:47 )

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Since you like to make reference to scripture without quoting it, here is one for you. The only requirements for Gentile Christians is listed in Acts 15. It is repeated three times and approved by the council of disciples at Jerusalem including James the brother of Jesus.
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And I agree with them.

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Lying sack gush hit! You have never and can never back me into a corner. If you think so show me where.
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The NT shows how Psalm 22 is a prophecy. This is supported by the Jews. OTOH all you got is your opinion!
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Which parts of Psalm 22 does Jesus not fulfill?
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Bulk wrap! Bulk wrap! Bulk wrap! There is no difference between a Hebrew and Jew. That is just a phony distinction you concocted trying to twist facts to suit your purpose. You are just a phony wannabe, pretending to be more righteous than the actual descendants of Abraham. Remember that remnant? That ain't you!
Im not going to show you where you did. You know what you didnt respond to PURPOSELY.

No. To show a prophecy you have to read the ORIGINAL TEXT. The ORIGINAL text shows if its a prophecy not the "New" testament.

The last 12 verses Jesus did not fulfill. Not that this was a prophecy anyways.

What? You do know that Judaism is a religion? And any adherent to the religion is not an adherent to the word of the Almighty as given to Moses and the prophets? Because said religion adds and takes away to what was given to these two mentioned? Nonetheless AT BEST a Jew is from one tribe of Israel which would be the tribe of Judah. And that is AT BEST. But there is a difference between the the Hebrews and the adherents of the JEWISH religion.
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Wrong! It says "The issue, i.e. child, of a gentile is as that of a beast!"
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Too bad you are too srupid to know the difference between the Jews interpreting their own Hebrew scriptures and them villifying Christians which does not entail intepreting scripture.
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Do you think you knoew more than the Jews about interpreting the Hebrew scriptures?
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Im sorry Im to "srupid" to know the difference between the child of a gentile (cough cough a gentile) and what I said. How can I stop being so "srupid"? Do you know? I dont want to be "srupid" anymore can you help me?

Sighs theres a difference between the Jews and the Hebrews. If you do not know this than thats on you. But the adherents of the JEWISH religion are different than the BIOLOGICAL SONS OF ISRAEL.

Do YOU think you know more than the Jews? Because last time I checked, Jews said Jesus was a false prophet and not the messiah and not god. Which obviously you do not agree with. So the same question is asked to you since you are too "srupid" to understand that Psalm 22 is not a prophecy.

PS I only called you names because you called me one. Maybe next time you can show some respect as Ive shown you?
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Don't worry brother, you don't have to accept the Jesus, Gentiles are teaching (2 Corinthians 11:4). As long as you keep the God of Israel's word in the OT ,you also believe in Jesus who the new Testament refers to as the word of God (Revelation 19:13). Remember, Zechariah tells us there are two parts of Israel who are anointed by God for two special roles. If you give the Scriptures a chance you will see that one is called to reject the false Jesus Gentiles are teaching and the other is called to teach Gentiles the truth about God, Jesus, and the Bible.
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What I am saying is thatgoing by Deuteronomy 13 and 18, Jesus is a false prophet. Along with Paul. Im not so sure the Almighty would want people accepting a false prophet.

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Im not going to show you where you did. You know what you didnt respond to PURPOSELY.
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Go take a flying leap.
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No. To show a prophecy you have to read the ORIGINAL TEXT. The ORIGINAL text shows if its a prophecy not the "New" testament.
The last 12 verses Jesus did not fulfill. Not that this was a prophecy anyways.
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Do you read Hebrew? If not and I am sure you don't, this argument is meaningless.
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What? You do know that Judaism is a religion? And any adherent to the religion is not an adherent to the word of the Almighty as given to Moses and the prophets? Because said religion adds and takes away to what was given to these two mentioned? Nonetheless AT BEST a Jew is from one tribe of Israel which would be the tribe of Judah. And that is AT BEST. But there is a difference between the the Hebrews and the adherents of the JEWISH religion.
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Nothing but babbling to support your assumptpions/presuppositions. Sounds just like the babblings of all C.U.L.T.S. before you, JW, LDS, UU, SDA, OP, etc. etc. etc.
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What I am saying is thatgoing by Deuteronomy 13 and 18, Jesus is a false prophet. Along with Paul. Im not so sure the Almighty would want people accepting a false prophet.
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Oh how I wish you would recognize the Spirit of the Old and New Testament.

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What I am saying is thatgoing by Deuteronomy 13 and 18, Jesus is a false prophet. Along with Paul. Im not so sure the Almighty would want people accepting a false prophet.
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And another thing, I don't know what Jesus you are accepting from the Gentiles to reject him but our Lord Jesus is not God (LORD).

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.*.*.*.Sighs theres a difference between the Jews and the Hebrews. If you do not know this than thats on you. But the adherents of the JEWISH religion are different than the BIOLOGICAL SONS OF ISRAEL.
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By Jews I am talkng about the lieral descendants of Abraham who ae Torah obsrvant.
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Do YOU think you know more than the Jews? Because last time I checked, Jews said Jesus was a false prophet and not the messiah and not god. Which obviously you do not agree with.
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It does not matter what the Jews did or do think about Jesus, that has absolutely no bearing on their interpretation of the Hebrew scriptures. Apples and oranges.
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So the same question is asked to you since you are too "srupid" to understand that Psalm 22 is not a prophecy.
PS I only called you names because you called me one. Maybe next time you can show some respect as Ive shown you?
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You are one person. You don't read hebrew. All you have is your unsupported opinion! Your opinion does NOT prove anything.
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