Is Paul "the False Prophet?"
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#317 Nov 13, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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OR NT writers made a prophecy over something that wasnt one. Yep thats right.
So, when did someone cast lots for Davids garments?
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#318 Nov 13, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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I understand hes your god. Just not the God of Israel ;)
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#319 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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So, when did someone cast lots for Davids garments?
Right in that verse lol. Or does he have to say it in two different places for it to have happened?
Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#320 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
What does that have to do with anything?

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#321 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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How CLUELESS you are. He DID die for my sins and BECAUSE He is God, AROSE and took away the sting of death.
You are a complete IDIOT. What do you think? He was supposed to STAY dead? If He stayed dead, what use is there in calling Him God? You ignorant twit.
Your stupidity always makes me laugh.

So make up your mind, did your demonic "god" die, or is he alive?

If he died, then he is not alive. And if he is alive, then he didn't die, there goes your "He died for your "sins" free pass into Heaven".

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#322 Nov 13, 2012
Jeff wrote:
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Read the gospels. Best supported historical documents of the ancient past. If you reject them then you have to reject all of ancient history as being historical.
So you have no proof, no surprise there.

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#323 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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He has ALL authority. He is God.
Rolls eyes and laughs.

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#324 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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So, Jesus, as just a man, had all those people..
1. Say to Him, If God hears you let Him bring you down from the cross.
2. He had the soldiers cast lots for His clothes.
3. PLUS, go through ALL the agony and humiliation JUST to make Psalms 22 come true at that time?
Yeah, right.
It's just a myth Wayne.

Your dead guy is not God.

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#325 Nov 13, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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To have the mark of the beast means you follow satan.
Jesus is our Sabbath, or our rest.
Your Jebus is Satan.

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#326 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
Yes David was speaking of himself. If it wasnt for the NT how would one know that was a prophecy? They WOULDNT. The NT writers just tried to twist things from the Tanakh to make Jesus into something he wasnt.
Read the last verses
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But you, Lord, do not be far from me.You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;those who seek the Lord will praise him—may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!
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Clearly praising the Almighty for delivering him from the sword. Not to mention that Jesus is supposedly God why is he saying God why have you forsaken me? Is he here to cause more confusion thanhes already had?
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You talk a lot of bulk wrap, as if you knew what you are talking about but I wonder why in the Talmud the ancient Jews considered this psalm to be about the prophesied Messiah?
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And FYI vs. 31 can be translated "They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: It is finished!"
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If this is about David who proclaims David's righteousness to future generations? If I remember correctly David committed adultery with Bathsheba and when she got pregnant had her husband killed. That doesn't sound like righteousness to me.
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Flygerian

Oklahoma City, OK

#327 Nov 14, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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But you, Lord, do not be far from me.You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;those who seek the Lord will praise him—may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!
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You talk a lot of bulk wrap, as if you knew what you are talking about but I wonder why in the Talmud the ancient Jews considered this psalm to be about the prophesied Messiah?
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And FYI vs. 31 can be translated "They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: It is finished!"
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If this is about David who proclaims David's righteousness to future generations? If I remember correctly David committed adultery with Bathsheba and when she got pregnant had her husband killed. That doesn't sound like righteousness to me.
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Why do you even respond to me Mr.Richards? You just hit and run. Hit and run lol. Theres no point of me responding to you because you'll ignore my response till you see another post you can pick on and then respond to that. Its a never ending cycle with you isnt it?

You do know the Talmud is word of men right? Not the word of the Almighty? And I SINCERELY doubt they said that. Because it is not a prophecy. It says nothing of those things happening. The NT TWISTED it (for whatever reason) into a messianic prophecy.

My goodness dude lol. Just READ IT. Its not talking about David's righteousness but the God of Israel's righteousness. It says people will proclaim HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to future generations. Now what in the verse (without using the NT) shows that this is a prophecy? Dont worry I'll wait. But I wont expect you to come back because as I said you hit and run
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#328 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Till heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.
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Hello Flygerian

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The reason most Gentiles preachers and their followers can't prove their claims is because they err at not knowing the scriptures. They will tell you that Jesus died in order to abolish the Old Testament and all it's laws which is a lie. Their ancestors, who were grafted into Israel ( Romans 11:13-21 ) by the Jewish Apostles ( John 4:22 ) have learned over time how to use and twist the scriptures in order to preserve their own particular doctrines and brands of Christianity. One being their own personal doctrine of 'grace'. Yes, the scriptures say we are saved by grace but the descendants of false teachers have twisted Jesus and the Jewish Apostles words. They have turned "grace" into a life of immorality ( Jude 1:4 ). They have used their brand of 'Grace' as a liscence to say it's okay to continue sinning or what they refer to as back sliding. In other words, they use 'grace' to say Jesus will forgive them no matter they do because they are not under the law (or commandments Jesus taught) but are under their brand of grace. This isn't a doctrine the Apostles were teaching ( 1 John 3:9 )and they insult the Spirit of grace by saying this ( John 14:15-16 ----Hebrews 10:26-29)

Now, according to the New Testament the only laws (or commandments) that were done away with were the laws directly concerning the worshiping system in the Temple in Jerusalem also known as the law of sin and death ( read Hebrews 10). In other words, once our Passover Lamb ( Jesus ) was sacrificed, the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death ( read Romans 8). PLEASE READ ALL OF HEBREWS 10 and ROMANS 8.

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http://biblos.com/

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----ROMANS 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death ( Hebrews 10:1-18*).


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---- ROMANS 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law ( of sin and death*), but under grace ( see Hebrews 10:26-29 *)."

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So again, once a person has a full knowledge of the truth ( John 14:15-16 ) he does not insult Jesus, who is the Spirit of grace ( Hebrews 10:26-29 ), by continue sinning ( breaking the commandments of God that Jesus told us to keep ). And since the book of Hebrews Chapter 10 verses 15-16 also tells us that Holy Spirit came and God's laws were written on the minds of all people ( Jeremiah 31:33-34 = Romans 2:14-16 ) after Pentecost, then Gentiles should have no problem keeping Biblical principles, doctrines, or laws ( or the commandments Jesus told us to keep ). This my friend is having faith in Jesus ( John 14:12 ) but Gentiles continue to teach lip service worship. He showed us how the commandments of God should be done ( 1 John 2:3-6 ). And by the way, since Jesus also said the scriptures only speak about him, and he said before the New Testament existed, then he is verifying in ( MATTHEW 5:17-20 ) what I'm telling you.


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If you are interested in the Scriptures exposing any more of their lies I'd be glad to help.

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Shalom

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“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#329 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
Why do you even respond to me Mr.Richards? You just hit and run. Hit and run lol. Theres no point of me responding to you because you'll ignore my response till you see another post you can pick on and then respond to that. Its a never ending cycle with you isnt it?
Cry me a river. If you have a post you really want me to address tell me. If a post is pushed back more thana page or two I probably will not see it.
You do know the Talmud is word of men right? Not the word of the Almighty? And I SINCERELY doubt they said that.
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And you are just a man. I doubt if you can even read Hebrew thus you have no background to correctly interpret the OT. We can rely on the intepretation of the ancient jews because they have no presuppositions to influence their interpretation.
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Because it is not a prophecy. It says nothing of those things happening. The NT TWISTED it (for whatever reason) into a messianic prophecy.
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The authors of the NT did not twist anything. The Jews understood Psalm 22 to be a prophecy of the messiah long before the Christian era and the Christians who wrote the NT were Jews.
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[QUOTE}My goodness dude lol. Just READ IT. Its not talking about David's righteousness but the God of Israel's righteousness. It says people will proclaim HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to future generations. Now what in the verse (without using the NT) shows that this is a prophecy?[]/QUOPTE]
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The OT was given to the Jews in their language, Hebrew. Without PROOF their translation is valid especially when compared to someone like you who could not locate a Hebrew verb if their life depended on it.
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Dont worry I'll wait. But I wont expect you to come back because as I said you hit and run
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Lying bulk wrap. It is not necessary to address every point a C.U.L.T.S.-ite copy/pastes here. If 2-3 points are refuted the rest of the house of cards collapses.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#330 Nov 14, 2012
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
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It's just a myth Wayne.
Your dead guy is not God.
Your god is not God.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#331 Nov 14, 2012
Flygerian wrote:
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Why do you even respond to me Mr.Richards? You just hit and run. Hit and run lol. Theres no point of me responding to you because you'll ignore my response till you see another post you can pick on and then respond to that. Its a never ending cycle with you isnt it?
You do know the Talmud is word of men right? Not the word of the Almighty? And I SINCERELY doubt they said that. Because it is not a prophecy. It says nothing of those things happening. The NT TWISTED it (for whatever reason) into a messianic prophecy.
My goodness dude lol. Just READ IT. Its not talking about David's righteousness but the God of Israel's righteousness. It says people will proclaim HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to future generations. Now what in the verse (without using the NT) shows that this is a prophecy? Dont worry I'll wait. But I wont expect you to come back because as I said you hit and run
Seems like he just handed you your ass on a platter. But being the typical WHATEVER you are, you ignore it.
Patriot

Denver, CO

#332 Nov 14, 2012
The heavens declare the glory of GOD;

the skies proclaim the work of His Hands.

Day after day they pour forth speech;

night after night they display knowledge.

There is no speech or language

where their voice is not heard.

Their voice goes out into ALL the earth,

their words to the ends of the world.

In the heavens He has pitched a tent for the sun,

which is like a Bridegroom coming forth from His pavilion,

like a Champion rejoicing to run His course.

It rises at one end of the heavens

and makes its circuit to the other;

nothing is hidden from its heat.

The Law of the LORD is Perfect,

reviving the soul.

The Statutes of the LORD are Trustworthy,

making wise the simple.

The Precepts of the LORD are Right,

giving joy to the heart.

The Commands of the LORD are Radiant,

giving Light to the eyes.

The fear of the LORD is Pure,

enduring forever.

The Ordinances of the LORD are Sure

and altogether Righteous.

They are more precious than gold,

than much pure gold;

They are sweeter than honey,

than honey from the comb.

By Them is your servant Warned;

in Keeping Them there is Great Reward.

Who can discern His errors?

Forgive my hidden faults.

Keep your servant also from willful sins;

may they not rule over me.

Then will I be blameless,

innocent of great transgression.

May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart

be pleasing in Your sight,

O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/psalms/19.htm

“Call sign: Apache One Six”

Since: Mar 11

US 62 @ US 81

#333 Nov 14, 2012
servant wrote:
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Hello Flygerian
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The reason most Gentiles preachers and their followers can't prove their claims is because they err at not knowing the scriptures. They will tell you that Jesus died in order to abolish the Old Testament and all it's laws which is a lie. Their ancestors, who were grafted into Israel ( Romans 11:13-21 ) by the Jewish Apostles ( John 4:22 ) have learned over time how to use and twist the scriptures in order to preserve their own particular doctrines and brands of Christianity.
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I see a lot of mindless, hysterical accusationa, "the Gentiles did this, that and the other," but NO, NONE, ZERO evidence. Just another wannabe Jew venting his anti-Christain rhetoris.
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[QUOTE}One being their own personal doctrine of 'grace'. Yes, the scriptures say we are saved by grace but the descendants of false teachers have twisted Jesus and the Jewish Apostles words. They have turned "grace" into a life of immorality ( Jude 1:4 ). They have used their brand of 'Grace' as a liscence to say it's okay to continue sinning or what they refer to as back sliding. In other words, they use 'grace' to say Jesus will forgive them no matter they do because they are not under the law (or commandments Jesus taught) but are under their brand of grace. This isn't a doctrine the Apostles were teaching ( 1 John 3:9 )and they insult the Spirit of grace by saying this ( John 14:15-16 ----Hebrews 10:26-29)[/QUOTE]
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Lies, lies, and more lies. You evidently know nothing about Christian doctrine.
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Now, according to the New Testament the only laws (or commandments) that were done away with were the laws directly concerning the worshiping system in the Temple in Jerusalem also known as the law of sin and death ( read Hebrews 10). In other words, once our Passover Lamb ( Jesus ) was sacrificed, the law of the Spirit of life has set us free from the law of sin and death ( read Romans 8). PLEASE READ ALL OF HEBREWS 10 and ROMANS 8.
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http://biblos.com/
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Trying to prove a phony doctrine by quoting out-of-cp0ntext proof texts.
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----ROMANS 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death ( Hebrews 10:1-18*).
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---- ROMANS 6:12-14 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law ( of sin and death*), but under grace ( see Hebrews 10:26-29 *)."
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So again, once a person has a full knowledge of the truth ( John 14:15-16 ) he does not insult Jesus, who is the Spirit of grace ( Hebrews 10:26-29 ), by continue sinning ( breaking the commandments of God that Jesus told us to keep ). And since the book of Hebrews Chapter 10 verses 15-16 also tells us that Holy Spirit came and God's laws were written on the minds of all people ( Jeremiah 31:33-34 = Romans 2:14-16 ) after Pentecost, then Gentiles should have no problem keeping Biblical principles, doctrines, or laws ( or the commandments Jesus told us to keep ). This my friend is having faith in Jesus ( John 14:12 ) but Gentiles continue to teach lip service worship. He showed us how the commandments of God should be done ( 1 John 2:3-6 ). And by the way, since Jesus also said the scriptures only speak about him, and he said before the New Testament existed, then he is verifying in ( MATTHEW 5:17-20 ) what I'm telling you.
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If you are interested in the Scriptures exposing any more of their lies I'd be glad to help.
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Shalom
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How can you help anyone expose anything? All you can do is quote your handful of out-of-context proof texts and lie about what Christians teach and believe.
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Patriot

Denver, CO

#334 Nov 14, 2012
servant

Mérida, Mexico

#335 Nov 14, 2012
Allen Richards wrote:
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I see a lot of mindless, hysterical accusationa, "the Gentiles did this, that and the other," but NO, NONE, ZERO evidence. Just another wannabe Jew venting his anti-Christain rhetoris.

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Ephesians 17:19 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

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Allen Richards wrote:
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Lies, lies, and more lies. You evidently know nothing about Christian doctrine.

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Trying to prove a phony doctrine by quoting out-of-cp0ntext proof texts.

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How can you help anyone expose anything? All you can do is quote your handful of out-of-context proof texts and lie about what Christians teach and believe.
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What's that you were telling that muslim fellow "muslims can't dictate what's in the Christian Bible". Well if you actually took heed to what Jesus said (John 4:22), you would be smart and let the remnant of Israel (Romans 11:13-21) teach you the Jewish scriptures you err in. I think they know what they worship.

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servant

Mérida, Mexico

#336 Nov 14, 2012
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John 10:16 “I (Jesus) am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

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