How did you become free from Christia...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#185 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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blah blah blah And what is the source that turns all that on or off?
YOU are the ignorant one.
So what is it?

'Splain it Lucy!
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#186 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
No

---->> your

not.
You are a wanna be trying to be something

---->> your

not.
"You're"

Is it a Texas thing this inability to learn and respect ones native language?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#187 Apr 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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I see. What made you read the bible?
Well, my high school class in the Pentateuch required it. Since then, I have found that I can get the most fun in debating xians by knowing the Bible better than they do. Knowledge is power, and all that. Plus, several of my friends are Jewish, with varying degrees of observance. Occasionally, the discussion ends up including Bible based themes.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#188 Apr 19, 2013
Oberktosa wrote:
No one thing will turn you into an atheist or any other kind of non-believer. What was the process of your transition? What comes next in life after leaving religion? I know my transition to agnostic atheism was most unpleasant, but I just can't choose to believe something I don't.
I can't not say what the last straw that did me in on religion. I know I started questioning it at an early age and by age 12 my parents were telling me to ask our priest. Needless to say his first action after our first meeting was to have me pulled from Sunday school class. I remember my parents telling me that because I was asking big boy questions I had to go to big boy church services with them. Did not take but a day to figure out why.Regular church services are a one man show. NO questions taken NO answers given and many parts of bible NEVER talked about in Church at all.

By age 14 I was out as an atheist to all but my mother that simple told me I was not and that was the end of talking about it if I wanted a life. Yes she threatened me. I shut up to my mother about that till I was in my 20's only then as she asked.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#189 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, Pagans are only lowly rip offs of Christianity. And just so you know, God IS ONE God and His name is Jesus the Christ, the Word become flesh.
Your ineptitude is amusing at best.
Silly, ignorant child... most of the Pagan religions are older than xianity. In some cases, older than Judaism, as well. The early xians ripped off the Pagans to invent their religion. Ever hear the phrase "no new thing under the Sun"? That refers to xianity, which is wholly made up of bits and pieces taken from other religions.

Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the GODS...

Note the plural. There are many more verses in the Bible that demonstrate the fact that there are MANY Gods in this world, the God of the Bible is just one of Them. Now, for the children of Israel, and anyone else who wishes to worship the God of the Bible, those people are required to worship one and only one of the Gods, but His Name is NOT Jesus...

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

However, in the proper Hebrew, it is FAR more explicit:

Deuteronomy 6:4 Shema, Yisrael, Yahweh Elokeinu, Yahweh Echad.(Hebrew Transliteration)

In the Artscroll translation that would be:

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is the One and Only.(Artscroll)

Pay close attention. The Bible clearly says that the God of the Bible and the children of Israel is YAHWEH, and Yahweh is one and only one, NOT part one of a trilogy.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#190 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, I ended as being a Christian and not a Jew.
You are the one who will more than likely worship the abomination.
Well, if I was one of the children of Israel, then yes, my worship of the Pagan Gods would indeed be an abomination, according to the ETERNAL Covenant between the God of the Bible and the children of Israel. But I am not one of the CoI; my ancestors came from a different part of the world. Since I give PROPER homage to the Gods of my ancestors, I am not committing any abominations. YOU however, are worshiping a mere human, and equating him with the God of the Bible, and that is DEFINITELY an abomination.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#191 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, really. You have no relevance so how can you point out any so called contradictions in the bible? You don't even know what the Old Testament prophesied, just like Jesus's own people of His day. If they didn't understand how do you think YOU can? You CAN'T unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. Until then yo are just shaking your fist at the wind.
He said He was God and He said He was the Messiah. You don't believe it? I don't care.
Jesus may have THOUGHT that he was the Messiah, but the facts prove that he was wrong. He failed to fulfill the Messianic prophecies. For example:

Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live,[together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead

Isaiah 43:5 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; [6] I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.[27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their G-d, and they shall be my people.[28] And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

There is no peace throughout the world. Many Jews are still scattered in foreign lands. The Ten Tribes are STILL lost. Currently, Israel is once again a nation, but Islam has a temple in the way of the Temple. Put it all together, and you can see that the Messiah cannot possibly have been here yet.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#193 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, really. You have no relevance so how can you point out any so called contradictions in the bible? You don't even know what the Old Testament prophesied, just like Jesus's own people of His day. If they didn't understand how do you think YOU can? You CAN'T unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. Until then yo are just shaking your fist at the wind.
He said He was God and He said He was the Messiah. You don't believe it? I don't care.
Jesus REPEATEDLY said that he was NOT a god.

Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

If Jesus was a god, then he would have known the hour...

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?[there is] none good but one,[that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?[18] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?[there is] none good but one,[that is], God

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

How could a god increase in favor with himself? Or are you saying that Jesus was a god with SERIOUS narcissism issues?

Of course, this is NOT a contradiction with the OT, since the OT specifically warns AGAINST such things...

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

I am not going to copy and paste the whole long passage, but you REALLY NEED to go read Deuteronomy 18. Hint, take off the Super Secret Jesus Decoder Ring, and look at what it is REALLY saying. Jesus is not mentioned by name, but Yahweh is.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#194 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, you do not understand. What you don't understand is that Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law of the OT and its requirements for reconciliation to God. He followed it PERFECTLY because no man ever will.
Don't you ever get tired of being SO wrong so often?

Deuteronomy 30:11 For this commandment that I command you today -- it is not hidden from you and it is not distant.[12] It is not in heaven,[for you] to say, "Who can ascend to the heaven for us and take it for us, so that we can listen to it and perform it?" [13] Nor is it across the sea,[for you] to say, "Who can cross to the other side of the sea for us and take it for us, so that we can listen to it and perform it?" [14] Rather, the matter is very near to you -- in your mouth and your heart -- to perform it.

Genesis 4:6 And Yahweh said to Cain, "Why are you annoyed, and why has your countenance fallen?[7] Surely, if you improve yourself, you will be forgiven. But if you do not improve yourself, sin rests at the door. Its desire is toward you, yet you can conquer it."

Anyone who so desires CAN follow the Law. That was why it was written in the Torah. "Perfectly" was never a requirement, one need only follow it to the best of one's ability, and repent for the mistakes that are merely part of human nature.

Jesus was in Jerusalem to "fulfill" the law regarding Passover, which the God of the Bible COMMANDED be observed every year FOR EVER. Had Jesus not been executed by the Romans for his crimes, he would have had to have come back to Jerusalem again the next year to fulfill the Law all over again, and the year after that, and the year after that, etc.

Since there are so many verses that all say the same thing over and over, I am not going to post even a small fraction of the total number of times that the Bible repeats the point that the Laws are to be followed FOR EVER. Here are a couple of them:

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

This shows that once the REAL Messiah comes, the people shall follow all of the Laws.

Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the Lord thy G-d, and keep His charge, and His statutes, and His judgments, and His commandments, alway.

Deuteronomy alone has over a dozen verses that repeat this point.

Most of the prophets, and Jesus too, say this same point.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Why do you insist that the God of the Bible change what He said?

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#195 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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The LAW is still here for UNBELIEVERS. If you do not accept the sacrifice of Christ but think you can save yourself then you must keep EVERY JOT AND TITTLE of the law.
This was not meant for believers for HE fulfilled the law for us. That does NOT give a license to sin.
Wrong yet again. The Law is here for ALL followers of the God of the Bible. People who are NOT descendant from Abraham, Issac and Israel have their own Gods to follow and obey, unless they convert to following the God of the Bible.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#196 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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I keep telling you. I am not a Jew but a Christian.
Christianity is no more a real religion than the cult of $cientology. If you want to claim to worship the God of the Bible, then there is only one way to do so, and that is by following the Laws that He gave. Period.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#197 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Your arrogant and completely stupid analogy is full of your misunderstanding of Christianity. Being saved DOES NOT GIVE ONE LICENSE TO SIN. Don't bring up Hitler.
My analogy was spot on with your statements about Jesus. Even IF Jesus actually managed to obey each and every one of the Laws (it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for him to have done so...) that would not change one aspect of the Law. The Laws were made for the children of Israel to follow FOR ALL TIME. Both before AND AFTER the coming of the Messiah.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#198 Apr 19, 2013
FSM wrote:
The path to freedom from Christianity started for me when I realized that religious faith doesn't work. Faith is a willful determination to believe in something regardless of any objective evidence for or against.
It's something personal, and we all value subjective personal experience over other forms of evidence in some (or many) areas of our lives.
Psychology tells us that people have a deep-seated need to make sense of the world, to make it feel predictable to us. Religious faith, especially the fundamentalist kind, allows people that form of security. It doesn't matter whether the belief is true or not.
From my experience, it takes something severe for a devoted believer to question their faith. Once questioning starts, it will probably continue until the believer loses their faith altogether. Why? Because there isn't a single religion that can survive without the unwarranted belief of its followers.
If there were objective evidence AGAINST faith, then it ceases to be religion and becomes delusion...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#199 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Moses himself said one would replace him and therefore replace the Law. You are really ignorant on this.
The standard belief is that Moses wrote the Torah...

Deuteronomy 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Thus was fulfilled the prophecy that one would replace Moses. However, there is NO prophecy that anyone would replace the Law. YOU are lying.
Flygerian

United States

#200 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
No your not.
You are a wanna be trying to be something your not.
Where did I say I WAS or WAS NOT a Hebrew?

Ready??

GO!!!!
Flygerian

United States

#202 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Are you a hebrew?
RIGHT HERE.
Why should I answer your question when mine went unanswered?
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#203 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>No, you can NOT take such things away from people to support your insecurities. Faith is not a mere seed, nor is a Human simple dirt. The metaphor is simplistic and childlike and looses its power when really analyzed and applied to reality. It has a short shelf life for making a point.
If anyone's field is fallow its people like you who are full of hate due to the poison of self-righteousness and visions of grandeur.
You are not equipped with any insight, prescience, or backwards looking visions to take the faith from those who either once held it, or held it in the past and their actions in the name of their God and faith now make you uncomfortable.
Leave it to a twisted atheist like you to completely twist scripture.

And believe me, it is YOU who are not equipped to criticize something you have absolutely NO clue about. To say you were once a zealous believer and then let a loser like satan tempt you back into the world is pathetic.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#204 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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No.
You are no where near the follower of Jesus you think you are. I need not be a scholar to bear witness to that...
BTW, that's not an explanation, that's a talking point. Which I know is all you have. You couldn't explain the principles of fulfilling the law if guided by a real Xtian.
It IS an explanation to those who know what I am talking about.

And you were NEVER a follower of Jesus so you have NADA to contribute to the debate except for your big headed opinion.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#205 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Here's where you lack the actual understanding. You cant explain HOW a law, the law you refer is fulfilled.
Explain how a law (and which law/s specifically) can be fulfilled. Do it - or STFU!
Getting under your self righteous skin you arrogant twit? lol GOOD!

The LAW that was fulfilled as the Law of SALVATION. You are spiritually clueless and spiritually dead in your sins.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#206 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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And as usual you fail to answer a direct Q.
Let's try again...
...there's a mountain of evidence to prove the brain, the body in total is the "creator" of feelings and reasoning.
But lets play your game. If someone suffers a brain trauma, how is it that they can lose the ability to reason? Or to feel certain emotions?
Does the soul get brain damaged too?"
Explain how a physical trauma can cause harm to a spiritual entity...the soul...? A physical trauma has nothing to do with a carnal mind (lol, thats too funny!)
All you do is deflect, man-up and answer a direct question.
The question was answered. I don't give a crap if you understand it or not.

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