How did you become free from Christia...
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#162 Apr 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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All last week, I drove the speed limit, thus fulfilling the law. This means that I can now drive as fast as I want.
Understand now?
Your arrogant and completely stupid analogy is full of your misunderstanding of Christianity. Being saved DOES NOT GIVE ONE LICENSE TO SIN. Don't bring up Hitler.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#163 Apr 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Read my bio...
Yes, I am Celtic Pagan, ordained as a priest for 20 years now.
Superstitious nonsense.
FSM

Bunyip, Australia

#164 Apr 18, 2013
The path to freedom from Christianity started for me when I realized that religious faith doesn't work. Faith is a willful determination to believe in something regardless of any objective evidence for or against.

It's something personal, and we all value subjective personal experience over other forms of evidence in some (or many) areas of our lives.

Psychology tells us that people have a deep-seated need to make sense of the world, to make it feel predictable to us. Religious faith, especially the fundamentalist kind, allows people that form of security. It doesn't matter whether the belief is true or not.

From my experience, it takes something severe for a devoted believer to question their faith. Once questioning starts, it will probably continue until the believer loses their faith altogether. Why? Because there isn't a single religion that can survive without the unwarranted belief of its followers.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#165 Apr 18, 2013
FSM wrote:
The path to freedom from Christianity started for me when I realized that religious faith doesn't work. Faith is a willful determination to believe in something regardless of any objective evidence for or against.
It's something personal, and we all value subjective personal experience over other forms of evidence in some (or many) areas of our lives.
Psychology tells us that people have a deep-seated need to make sense of the world, to make it feel predictable to us. Religious faith, especially the fundamentalist kind, allows people that form of security. It doesn't matter whether the belief is true or not.
From my experience, it takes something severe for a devoted believer to question their faith. Once questioning starts, it will probably continue until the believer loses their faith altogether. Why? Because there isn't a single religion that can survive without the unwarranted belief of its followers.
And that is why Christianity is not a religion and does NOT hinge upon the belief or dis-belief of it's followers. Believe it or not, God doesn't need you. You are not a required cog in the wheel. As far as Christianity goes, GOD, not YOU, does the choosing. Oh, you may well choose to reject God but as I said, He doesn't require you to believe in Him in order for Him to exist.
Rosemary Lyndall Wemm

San Leandro, CA

#166 Apr 18, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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YOU prove that the physical brain creates feelings and reasoning. You can't because it doesn't.
You are speaking from profound ignorance.

Any neuro-psychologist can prove that.(I am one.) Most other neuro-scientists can, too. It's not difficult.

We know which parts of the brain are involved in feelings, and which parts are involved in particular feelings. Destroy them or damage them and these feelings are impaired.(Limbic system (parental and erotic love, ecstatic states), amygdala (anger, rage), broad sections of the right hemishere (negative emotions) and so on and on.

We know which parts of the brain are involved in the various aspects of thinking. It was my job to test all the aspects of thinking and the different aspects of memory in order to ascertain which parts of someone's brain were damaged or not working.

We know what part of the brain is suppressed when people have out of body or near death experiences or transcendental religious states. People with a particular type of epilepsy are prone to these kinds of "auras" and also prone to serial religious conversion and hyper-religiosity. Even religion is brain-based.
Flygerian

United States

#167 Apr 18, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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I keep telling you. I am not a Jew but a Christian.
Hes showing you what the OT says showing that it is incompatible with the NT. How can the OT say the things that Liam showed and yet STILL be expected to accept Jesus' sacrifice and new law/commandments? THEY COULDNT.
Flygerian

United States

#168 Apr 18, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Your arrogant and completely stupid analogy is full of your misunderstanding of Christianity. Being saved DOES NOT GIVE ONE LICENSE TO SIN. Don't bring up Hitler.
Again he is showing that just because the law was "fulfilled" doesnt mean one doesnt have to follow it. The simple fact that you cannot find a place in the OT that tells the Hebrews that there will be a new law for them when the messiah comes is proof enough.
Flygerian

United States

#169 Apr 18, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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The LAW is still here for UNBELIEVERS. If you do not accept the sacrifice of Christ but think you can save yourself then you must keep EVERY JOT AND TITTLE of the law.
Where did Jesus state this?
Me Myself and I wrote:
This was not meant for believers for HE fulfilled the law for us. That does NOT give a license to sin.
Fulfill doesnt mean do away with. Not to mention that you do not have scripture from the OT supporting the notion that the GOD OF ISRAEL would do away with the commandments He gave to Moses. Heck, all thru the Hebrew bible He contends that they should follow the commandments He gave to Moses. NOWHERE (unless you can refresh my memory) did He state that He would do away with this law and bring another one. Nor did He state He would come to die for everyone's sins.
Rosemary Lyndall Wemm

San Leandro, CA

#170 Apr 18, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
I you were a Christian and turned your back on God then I doubt if you ever really believed in the fist place.
Most atheists in the USA are ex-Christians of one brand or another. Many of them were extremely committed and active in the Christian community. Many are ex-clergy and ex-missionaries. Some, like me, began training for the Christian ministry but failed to finish because of belief loss or significant change. I struggled for several years and had a long, slow and painful awakening to the realization that there was no valid basis to my previous beliefs about the Christian divinity and that my feelings of joy and communion with something outside myself was the same kind of delusion experienced by members of every other religious group on the planet.

It is just plain ridiculous, as well as deeply insulting and insensitive, to describe this painful process as "turning one's back on god". The problem was that what I thought was a god evaporated under the light of knowledge and reason. I was FORCED to conclude that such an entity did not really exist. It was not a choice or a denial or a deliberate decision to avoid or abandon the Christian versions of the divine.

My previous immersion in Christianity was sincere and deep. I was just as involved and just as passionate as those around me, and just as convinced that I talked to god and god talked to me. Others could not tell the difference, either. This means that you could not have predicted that I would lose my beliefs. It also means that your beliefs are not safe either. Unless you have a dogmatic personality you are also at risk.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#174 Apr 19, 2013
Rosemary Lyndall Wemm wrote:
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You are speaking from profound ignorance.
Any neuro-psychologist can prove that.(I am one.) Most other neuro-scientists can, too. It's not difficult.
We know which parts of the brain are involved in feelings, and which parts are involved in particular feelings. Destroy them or damage them and these feelings are impaired.(Limbic system (parental and erotic love, ecstatic states), amygdala (anger, rage), broad sections of the right hemishere (negative emotions) and so on and on.
We know which parts of the brain are involved in the various aspects of thinking. It was my job to test all the aspects of thinking and the different aspects of memory in order to ascertain which parts of someone's brain were damaged or not working.
We know what part of the brain is suppressed when people have out of body or near death experiences or transcendental religious states. People with a particular type of epilepsy are prone to these kinds of "auras" and also prone to serial religious conversion and hyper-religiosity. Even religion is brain-based.
blah blah blah And what is the source that turns all that on or off?

YOU are the ignorant one.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#175 Apr 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Again he is showing that just because the law was "fulfilled" doesnt mean one doesnt have to follow it. The simple fact that you cannot find a place in the OT that tells the Hebrews that there will be a new law for them when the messiah comes is proof enough.
Moses himself said one would replace him and therefore replace the Law. You are really ignorant on this.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#176 Apr 19, 2013
Flygerian wrote:
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Where did Jesus state this?
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Fulfill doesnt mean do away with. Not to mention that you do not have scripture from the OT supporting the notion that the GOD OF ISRAEL would do away with the commandments He gave to Moses. Heck, all thru the Hebrew bible He contends that they should follow the commandments He gave to Moses. NOWHERE (unless you can refresh my memory) did He state that He would do away with this law and bring another one. Nor did He state He would come to die for everyone's sins.
The LAW is none effect. His GRACE is sufficient. The law was completed on the cross and therefore is no longer in effect as far as salvation goes. When He said, it is finished, it WAS finished.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#177 Apr 19, 2013
Rosemary Lyndall Wemm wrote:
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Most atheists in the USA are ex-Christians of one brand or another. Many of them were extremely committed and active in the Christian community. Many are ex-clergy and ex-missionaries. Some, like me, began training for the Christian ministry but failed to finish because of belief loss or significant change. I struggled for several years and had a long, slow and painful awakening to the realization that there was no valid basis to my previous beliefs about the Christian divinity and that my feelings of joy and communion with something outside myself was the same kind of delusion experienced by members of every other religious group on the planet.
It is just plain ridiculous, as well as deeply insulting and insensitive, to describe this painful process as "turning one's back on god". The problem was that what I thought was a god evaporated under the light of knowledge and reason. I was FORCED to conclude that such an entity did not really exist. It was not a choice or a denial or a deliberate decision to avoid or abandon the Christian versions of the divine.
My previous immersion in Christianity was sincere and deep. I was just as involved and just as passionate as those around me, and just as convinced that I talked to god and god talked to me. Others could not tell the difference, either. This means that you could not have predicted that I would lose my beliefs. It also means that your beliefs are not safe either. Unless you have a dogmatic personality you are also at risk.
No, it was NOT sincere and deep. Read the sowing of the seed and figure out how your field was. Evidently it was not sufficient enough for the seed to grow. Here is more than likely what happened to you...

Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended

Matthew 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

You were NOT of THIS field...

Matthew 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty

Of course you will not understand this because the seed fell on rocky soil in your case.
Thinking

Sheffield, UK

#178 Apr 19, 2013
D. It's "you're".
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
No your not.
You are a wanna be trying to be something your not.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#179 Apr 19, 2013
Rosemary Lyndall Wemm wrote:
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Most atheists in the USA are ex-Christians of one brand or another. Many of them were extremely committed and active in the Christian community. Many are ex-clergy and ex-missionaries. Some, like me, began training for the Christian ministry but failed to finish because of belief loss or significant change. I struggled for several years and had a long, slow and painful awakening to the realization that there was no valid basis to my previous beliefs about the Christian divinity and that my feelings of joy and communion with something outside myself was the same kind of delusion experienced by members of every other religious group on the planet.
It is just plain ridiculous, as well as deeply insulting and insensitive, to describe this painful process as "turning one's back on god". The problem was that what I thought was a god evaporated under the light of knowledge and reason. I was FORCED to conclude that such an entity did not really exist. It was not a choice or a denial or a deliberate decision to avoid or abandon the Christian versions of the divine.
My previous immersion in Christianity was sincere and deep. I was just as involved and just as passionate as those around me, and just as convinced that I talked to god and god talked to me. Others could not tell the difference, either. This means that you could not have predicted that I would lose my beliefs. It also means that your beliefs are not safe either. Unless you have a dogmatic personality you are also at risk.
Exactly, great post, good work!

Thos Xtians who make the silly claim that You were never a real/true Xtian in the first place, are merely scrambling for a response to Atheists like you, me and others...

Like all Cult members they despise the ones who leave. They cant grasp living outside of their Cult. Many people NEED the insularity, the perceived collective power. While many simply stay because its easier as there can be a lot of stress to leave - create family conflict, relationship stress, perhaps even neighborhood, and job stress.

A great analogy are overweight people who finally make the hard decision to conquer it and loss weight, and change their lifestyles. Many of their fat family and friends and co-workers will sabotage their efforts, ridicule them - and just not be supportive. The ones who "stay" overweight are scared of losing their protective cover, their security blanket, the thing they can blame all their troubles on.

Same goes for Believers. They are typically the ones who use their faith as a weapon, or a means to elevate themselves when they lack any real self-esteem, use it as a justification to blame others for their weaknesses, seeing the World as the cause and fault of their problems.

So when someone breaks loose their shame and fear cause them to abandon, attack and seek to marginalize the escapee. They simply can not just be confident in their faith all by themselves and accept it for what it is - their faith and only theirs.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#180 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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No, it was NOT sincere and deep. Read the sowing of the seed and figure out how your field was. Evidently it was not sufficient enough for the seed to grow. Here is more than likely what happened to you...
No, you can NOT take such things away from people to support your insecurities. Faith is not a mere seed, nor is a Human simple dirt. The metaphor is simplistic and childlike and looses its power when really analyzed and applied to reality. It has a short shelf life for making a point.

If anyone's field is fallow its people like you who are full of hate due to the poison of self-righteousness and visions of grandeur.

You are not equipped with any insight, prescience, or backwards looking visions to take the faith from those who either once held it, or held it in the past and their actions in the name of their God and faith now make you uncomfortable.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#181 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Since you are nowhere near the scholar you think you are, I will use the Bible and make you like it.
The Law was fulfilled on the cross when He said "It is finished", the end of the OT and the beginning of the New Testament. Since the gospels were more in line with His fulfilling of the OT Laws, the New was left to the New Covenant Christians, Paul being one of the leaders. The laws such as animal sacrifices are FINISHED. And again, I am NOT a Jew but a Christian. YOU are neither so cram it.
No.

You are no where near the follower of Jesus you think you are. I need not be a scholar to bear witness to that...

BTW, that's not an explanation, that's a talking point. Which I know is all you have. You couldn't explain the principles of fulfilling the law if guided by a real Xtian.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#182 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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The LAW is none effect. His GRACE is sufficient. The law was completed on the cross and therefore is no longer in effect as far as salvation goes. When He said, it is finished, it WAS finished.
Here's where you lack the actual understanding. You cant explain HOW a law, the law you refer is fulfilled.

Explain how a law (and which law/s specifically) can be fulfilled. Do it - or STFU!
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#183 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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I'll let you know who I am. You are nothing to run from. On the contrary, you are a great source of entertainment to me.
As you are for me. With a garnish of pity too...just enough to remind me how simple-minded you are, and therefore deserving of some slack, but not too much...
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#184 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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The corrupt body the soul inhabits can inhibit the functioning of the soul. Take yourself for example, the carnal mind YOU use inhibits your spirit and stands in its way of Gods message. You are a perfect example of the following verse. Pride drips off from you.
Romans 8:7 For the mind-set of the flesh is hostile to God because it does not submit itself to God's law, for it is unable to do so.
And as usual you fail to answer a direct Q.

Let's try again...
...there's a mountain of evidence to prove the brain, the body in total is the "creator" of feelings and reasoning.

But lets play your game. If someone suffers a brain trauma, how is it that they can lose the ability to reason? Or to feel certain emotions?

Does the soul get brain damaged too?"

Explain how a physical trauma can cause harm to a spiritual entity...the soul...? A physical trauma has nothing to do with a carnal mind (lol, thats too funny!)

All you do is deflect, man-up and answer a direct question.

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