How did you become free from Christia...
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#207 Apr 19, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>So what is it?
'Splain it Lucy!
No. You're a secular genius, YOU explain it. Oh...that's the problem, isn't it? You are a secular genius but a biblical illiterate.

Carrie on Fred.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#210 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Well, my high school class in the Pentateuch required it. Since then, I have found that I can get the most fun in debating xians by knowing the Bible better than they do. Knowledge is power, and all that. Plus, several of my friends are Jewish, with varying degrees of observance. Occasionally, the discussion ends up including Bible based themes.
But the problem is, you DON'T know the bible better than Christians. Sheeesh man, you don't even understand your own religion. And yes, Knowledge IS power and that is why any Christian can wipe the floor with you.

You deny the spiritual connotations of scripture therefore that makes you a failure before you even start.

High school Pentateuch class? Another catholic? That's another strike against you.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#211 Apr 19, 2013
I am getting tempted to trot out and post the ENTIRE list of verse that say, quite specifically, that the Law is to be kept for all time...
Flygerian

United States

#212 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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I do not care what you do.
I know what you are and who you are. I do not care what you tell any of these retards.
Didnt think you would answer the question. Adios tanto
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#213 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Silly, ignorant child... most of the Pagan religions are older than xianity. In some cases, older than Judaism, as well. The early xians ripped off the Pagans to invent their religion. Ever hear the phrase "no new thing under the Sun"? That refers to xianity, which is wholly made up of bits and pieces taken from other religions.
Exodus 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the GODS...
Note the plural. There are many more verses in the Bible that demonstrate the fact that there are MANY Gods in this world, the God of the Bible is just one of Them. Now, for the children of Israel, and anyone else who wishes to worship the God of the Bible, those people are required to worship one and only one of the Gods, but His Name is NOT Jesus...
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD
However, in the proper Hebrew, it is FAR more explicit:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Shema, Yisrael, Yahweh Elokeinu, Yahweh Echad.(Hebrew Transliteration)
In the Artscroll translation that would be:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is the One and Only.(Artscroll)
Pay close attention. The Bible clearly says that the God of the Bible and the children of Israel is YAHWEH, and Yahweh is one and only one, NOT part one of a trilogy.
You ignorant pagan. When gods are used in the plural it is in reference to pagans like YOU who put IMAGINARY gods in front of the TRUE God, Jesus the Christ. There IS no plural God, there is only ONE God. You are too ignorant to get it though.

Pagan religions started soon after God created humans and rebellious humans like YOU made up their own gods. There was NEVER a pagan religion BEFORE the Theocracy of God.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#214 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Jesus may have THOUGHT that he was the Messiah, but the facts prove that he was wrong. He failed to fulfill the Messianic prophecies. For example:
Isaiah 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know Me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead [men] shall live,[together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead
Isaiah 43:5 Fear not: for I [am] with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; [6] I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
Ezekiel 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.[27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their G-d, and they shall be my people.[28] And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
There is no peace throughout the world. Many Jews are still scattered in foreign lands. The Ten Tribes are STILL lost. Currently, Israel is once again a nation, but Islam has a temple in the way of the Temple. Put it all together, and you can see that the Messiah cannot possibly have been here yet.
Jesus WAS the Messiah and His followers soon knew it too after His resurrection.

History is against you and your Jew friends are deceiving you.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#216 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Jesus REPEATEDLY said that he was NOT a god.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
If Jesus was a god, then he would have known the hour...
Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?[there is] none good but one,[that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?[18] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?[there is] none good but one,[that is], God
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
How could a god increase in favor with himself? Or are you saying that Jesus was a god with SERIOUS narcissism issues?
Of course, this is NOT a contradiction with the OT, since the OT specifically warns AGAINST such things...
Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
I am not going to copy and paste the whole long passage, but you REALLY NEED to go read Deuteronomy 18. Hint, take off the Super Secret Jesus Decoder Ring, and look at what it is REALLY saying. Jesus is not mentioned by name, but Yahweh is.
lol In no way am I going to let some self deluded pagan like you interpret the bible for me. You are a pagan and pagans weren't especially Gods favorite people.

Jesus was FULLY God and FULLY man AND the Holy Spirit.

Speaking of Christ...

Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Yes, that was Pauls writings and I couldn't care less what YOU think about it.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#217 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Don't you ever get tired of being SO wrong so often?
...
Same question back at you. You are quoting fulfilled OT scripture but are too ignorant to know it.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#218 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Christianity is no more a real religion than the cult of $cientology. If you want to claim to worship the God of the Bible, then there is only one way to do so, and that is by following the Laws that He gave. Period.
lol And this from a pagan priest. You preside over a dead religion and you try to explain the Living God.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#219 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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My analogy was spot on with your statements about Jesus. Even IF Jesus actually managed to obey each and every one of the Laws (it is physically IMPOSSIBLE for him to have done so...) that would not change one aspect of the Law. The Laws were made for the children of Israel to follow FOR ALL TIME. Both before AND AFTER the coming of the Messiah.
If the Law is physically impossible for Jesus to follow, what the hell makes you think a frail human being like YOU can follow it?

You are one of the most ignorant twits here.
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#220 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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The standard belief is that Moses wrote the Torah...
Deuteronomy 34:9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.
Thus was fulfilled the prophecy that one would replace Moses. However, there is NO prophecy that anyone would replace the Law. YOU are lying.
And YOU are stupid. He was NOT speaking of Joshua but Jesus Christ.

http://xwalk.ca/moses.html

"A Prophet Like Unto Moses"

Yet, in one of his most specific predictions, Moses declared that God would raise up another Jewish prophet in the future whose life would closely resemble his. This prophecy of Moses that the Messiah would be like him is important to Israel in determining the credentials of the Messiah. Moses prophesied of "a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear....And the Lord said to me: I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him" (Deuteronomy 18:15,18-19).

These prophecies were fulfilled in detail in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus: "Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said,'This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world'" (John 6:14).

The Talmud declares "that the Messiah must be the greatest of future prophets, as being nearest in spirit to our master Moses." Throughout the Gospels and the Epistles we find the claim that certain messianic prophecies were accomplished in the life of Jesus. For example, when the scribes sent people to question John the Baptist, they asked two questions. The first was, "Are you Elijah?" (John 1:21), referring to Malachi's prophecy that Elijah would come as a messenger before the appearance of the Messiah. Jews around the world still set out a cup of wine for Elijah at Passover - the prophesied forerunner of the Messiah. The smallest boy in the family is delegated to open a door to invite Elijah to join the Passover Seder.
Flygerian

United States

#221 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
You are no Hebrew, all yo are is a n--i--g--e-r from Nigeria.
In my opinion that is where you should be. In Nigeria. That is where God put you is it not?
If I was "put there" I would have been born there and would be there at this moment would I not? Or do you believe God Almighty as powerful and MIGHTY as He is could not do that?

And why do you call me that? Is that what God Almighty calls africans or men such as yourself?
Flygerian

United States

#222 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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Then why did you ask it retard?
Im forgiving lol. But you cannot speak in a manner without insults and deflections. After time, I should get this hint lol
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#223 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
I am getting tempted to trot out and post the ENTIRE list of verse that say, quite specifically, that the Law is to be kept for all time...
You mean you are tempted to show even more of your arrogant ignorance.
Flygerian

United States

#224 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Same question back at you. You are quoting fulfilled OT scripture but are too ignorant to know it.
Why dont you point anybody to where the OT says the law would be fulfilled and a new one would come? Because if you cannot, then Liam is correct(and he is). The law is eternal and will never be done away with. Well, that is according to what was said/written to the Hebrews. What christianity did was come and take what the Hebrews were given and then interpreting it to their own religion. Simply put, if you cannot find support from the OT, than you're standing on water. Which means you're not standing at all
Me Myself and I

Fairfax, VA

#225 Apr 19, 2013
Liam R wrote:
I am getting tempted to trot out and post the ENTIRE list of verse that say, quite specifically, that the Law is to be kept for all time...
We are NOT bound by the LAw...

Question: "What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?"

Answer: In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded:“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished”(Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e.,“to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context,“abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse”(see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle”(representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-l...
Flygerian

United States

#228 Apr 19, 2013
Prophet of Jesus Christ wrote:
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YOu tell so many lies you cannot remember all you have told me. YOu told me on another thread you were from Nigeria.
To me that means you are a Nigerian.
Wheres the link?

Support your words for once. And please, show where I said I was BORN in Nigeria.

Ready??

GO!!!!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#229 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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You ignorant pagan. When gods are used in the plural it is in reference to pagans like YOU who put IMAGINARY gods in front of the TRUE God, Jesus the Christ. There IS no plural God, there is only ONE God. You are too ignorant to get it though.
Pagan religions started soon after God created humans and rebellious humans like YOU made up their own gods. There was NEVER a pagan religion BEFORE the Theocracy of God.
Silly child, no one ever heard of your God until He called Abram out of Ur,(where he worshiped OTHER GODS, by the way). Even then, it was a few CENTURIES before your God got around to handing down any Laws to His people.

Now, I don't really care if you like my religion or not. In fact, I really DON'T want you to ever convert to my faith, we have standards to maintain. However, you DO NOT get to pick and choose bits and pieces out of YOUR holy book and pretend that some of them don't really exist. It says what it says, whether YOU like it or not.

And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other Gods.(Joshua 24:2)

Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the Gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the Gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the Gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.(Joshua 24:14 – 15)

Here one can see that the children of Israel were given the choice, serve Yahweh, or go back to worshiping the Gods of their ancestors or the Gods of their neighbors, the Amorites. Such a statement is hardly consistent with the notion that there is only one God in the entire universe, but it is consistent with the understanding that there are many true Gods.

Lot was the son of the brother of Abraham (Genesis 14:12) and fathered a son named Benammi, who founded the children of Ammon (Genesis 19:38) and for this reason, the children of Israel were instructed to not distress the children of Ammon. A careful reading of the book of Judges shows that the Ammon worshiped the God Chemosh, not Yahweh. In spite of this, the Israelites offered to spare the Ammon and be at peace with them if the Ammon were willing to be at peace with the Israelites and not try to take land claimed by the Israelites.(Judges 11:4 – 33) The Israelite leader even mentioned the God of the Ammon by name, during his bid for peace between the two peoples: "Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess." (Judges 11:24)

And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.(Judges 1:19) Should one believe that a God who could take His people out of captivity and allow a group of escaped slaves to defeat the most powerful army of its day (Exodus 14:23 – 28) could turn around and be stymied by nothing more than the type of metal used in the construction of the war machines of one of their foes? It stretches credulity. A far more likely explanation is that the inhabitants of the valley, in addition to iron chariots, worshiped a God who aided them to stand up before Judah and his army.

And of course, there are plenty more where that came from!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#230 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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Jesus WAS the Messiah and His followers soon knew it too after His resurrection.
History is against you and your Jew friends are deceiving you.
Reality is against you. Sadly, you are deceiving yourself by deliberately blinding yourself to the truth.

Did Jesus bring back the Ten Lost Tribes?

Did Jesus rebuild the Temple?

Did Jesus bring world peace?

Did Jesus bring prosperity to the land of Israel?

Did Jesus end ALL threats to the land of Israel?

All of these are Messianic prophecies, prophecies that indicate how a person can recognize who is the Messiah. The Messiah can be known because he will have accomplished all of these BEFORE he can be recognized as the Messiah.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232 Apr 19, 2013
Me Myself and I wrote:
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lol In no way am I going to let some self deluded pagan like you interpret the bible for me. You are a pagan and pagans weren't especially Gods favorite people.
Jesus was FULLY God and FULLY man AND the Holy Spirit.
Speaking of Christ...
Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Yes, that was Pauls writings and I couldn't care less what YOU think about it.
Again, you are arguing with your own holy book. I merely point out what it actually says.

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