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The translation the Oxyrhynchus Papyri is available, it shows hexakosiai deka hex = 616, there is NO argument in the translation.

Assuming it is an older ms, older is not more reliable or accurate in textual criticism. Copies wear out when in use. Yet an unused corrupt copy can lay there to be discovered later, older, but corrupt. Meanwhile thousands of newer copies are in circulation among the Greeks in the original language, same as the Hebrews preserved the OT in Hebrew - as impossible to corrupt as the english KJV today.

Sooo, the Egyptian copy that does not agree has been corrupted. It is trash.
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The OT is selectively copied from the Tanakh. Much of which has been shown to be archeologically, genetically, logically and/or physically impossible.

After the KJV 1611 and everlier Geneva 1560 bibles were published the DSS were discovered confirming the Hebrew OT mss. Everything supports the biblical account of world history. It is you with the bias thus no authority to teach about the Bible as a non-believer. This thread is about 666 not OT archaeology. The NT was preserved in Greek and used from the 1st century by Nazarene Christians long before Nicea.

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It's you with the bias, not Maxwell.
Me? What bias do I have?

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He was teaching the historicist interpretation long understood by all of Christianity prior to 1900 and Scofield. Such as Dr J.A. Wylie.
Right, and that’s where the bias came in. Even though Maxwell had already admitted that the Ostrogoths were not exterminated in 538AD and that they “came back” and continued the war, he still claimed that the Ostrogoths were uprooted in 538AD. He was forced to distort or ignore the historical record for the sake of his theology.
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There's a list of hundreds of pastors from 1800 to 1900 who understood this Bible truth. It agrees with both Bible and history, as Maxwell correctly wrote.
Here’s the funny thing about what pastors understood; if you ever get a chance to read through Le Roy Froom’s series called “Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers”, one thing you’ll notice is that before 1798 not one single Protestant pastor, lecturer, or writer ever once claimed that the 1260-year prophecy began in 538AD, or that Justinian’s decree went into effect in that year, or that the Ostrogoths were uprooted in 538AD. The year 538AD held absolutely no importance to “all of Christianity” prior to 1798. But it was only after the events of 1798 that certain historicists conveniently began to make claims about 538AD that had never been uttered before or discovered within the pages of recorded history. That’s how bias works.
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"AD 533 Decree of Justinian established Papal Supremecy", published London, 1830 by Church of England.
Right, and I expect that sort of claim to come from Protestant writers, men who were bent on viewing the Bishop of Rome as the Little Horn of Daniel 7. Funny how they don’t mention an even early imperial decree enacted by Emperor Valentinian III in 445AD, a decree that declared papal primacy, recognized the pope as the church’s “ruler”, stated that all past/future orders of the Apostolic See “shall have the force of law”, and ordered the “supreme commander of the armed forces” in the West to enforce observance of said law. There’s far more “supremacy” packed into Valentinian’s Edict than Justinian’s 533AD letter, and yet why didn’t the Church of England declare papal supremacy established in 445AD? Because nothing happened 1260 after that date.
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Napoleon ended the pope's 1260 year Papal States in 1798.
Again, the “papal states” hadn’t been in the pope’s possession for 1260 years in 1798…they were donated around 752AD….which would have put the end of the 1260 years in 2012.

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The seat of the empire was in europe at Rome…
If you are referring to the seat of the Holy Roman Empire then you are sorely mistaken.
socci wrote:
and these are the only ten horn-european nations that would count. Then the prophecy of Dn 7 says three would be extinct at the rise of the papal power.
And the interpretation given in verse 24 specifically says that the little horn would be the one doing the subduing. The papacy was not responsible for subduing Odoacer’s Kingdom, the Vandals, or the Ostrogoths.
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Obviously the pope did not lead the military himself but ran the kingdom.
I wasn’t talking about the pope leading the military; what I’m saying is that the pope was not the one responsible for the destruction of those three kingdoms. Can you provide even one example of a contemporary or modern historian (not a pastor) explaining how the papacy was responsible for the fall of those three kingdoms? That would be worth discussing.

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Is there anyway to block all of these numbskulls? It might be nice to have an intelligent conversation with an actual Christian in a Christian forum.
I see you are quite new here, my suggestion is go to church of you want a conversation about christianity with christians.

This is a PUBLIC thread and on a PUBLIC thread there is a bit of difference between you personal your wish to slag of atheists in private and FACT for the simple reason it is a PUBLIC thread, have you any idea of the concept of PUBLIC?

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Your information is from 2003. The UK does not have identity cards.
"The government began the process of scrapping identity cards by introducing the Identity Documents Bill to Parliament on 26 May 2010. The bill made provision for the cancellation of the UK National Identity Card, the Identification Card for EEA nationals and the destruction of the National Identity Register. This bill has completed the parliamentary process and the Identity Documents Act 2010 received Royal Assent on 21 December 2010."
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/agencies-public-...
We have both tried to explain this (and similar) to her several times from close to day 1 of this thread but in her deliberately ignorant fundy way she totally ignores fact.

The thing is she has got an idea in her head and there is no way in the world that facts are going to change the deeply held conspiracy theory belief of a moron

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Assuming it is an older ms, older is not more reliable or accurate in textual criticism. Copies wear out when in use. Yet an unused corrupt copy can lay there to be discovered later, older, but corrupt. Meanwhile thousands of newer copies are in circulation among the Greeks in the original language, same as the Hebrews preserved the OT in Hebrew - as impossible to corrupt as the english KJV today.
Sooo, the Egyptian copy that does not agree has been corrupted. It is trash.
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After the KJV 1611 and everlier Geneva 1560 bibles were published the DSS were discovered confirming the Hebrew OT mss. Everything supports the biblical account of world history. It is you with the bias thus no authority to teach about the Bible as a non-believer. This thread is about 666 not OT archaeology. The NT was preserved in Greek and used from the 1st century by Nazarene Christians long before Nicea.
Older is older and therefore BEFORE so more original. Why are you having so much trouble see this basic fact?

The Oxyrhynchus Papyri is an original document, not edited by incredulous monks, not translated with the errors that translation can bring. Not compiled (twice) from various sources, the Oxyrhynchus Papyri was one of those sources.

How you justify to yourself that a later, edited, translated versions are the correct versions is your affair, what I (and several others) have done here is show that 666 is a later adaptation than 616. How you justify that one variant over another is trash is also up to your conscience. How do you know it’s the Egyptian copy that was corrupted?

Wrong, the Greek version of the OT is considerably different form the Hebrew Tanakh. The OT has been vary carefully selected, edited and compiled from the Tenakh.

P.S. the original language of the documents that went to create the NT was Aramaic (and other Semitic dialects). Don’t know much about your babble book do you?

So what you seem to be saying is the copies you believe to be right are right, forget proof, forget evidence and forget contemporary documents. What you say is right, end of story? Sorry buddy, life and science are not like that.



Very little supports the biblical account of world history, most of what is written in the babble (both OT and NT) can be discounted by fact. It’s true that some places and personalities existed but that is not proof that the biblical account is true, only that some truth has been used to create the biblical account.

Take a look at the very first post and see the stupidity of the 666 claim as interpreted by timesten. World-wide governmental conspiracies, adding the number of digits of official documents (sometimes in documents that don’t exist). Then combining the results by multiplying one number by 100, another by 10 and leaving the last untouched and then inverting the result - that is some conspiracy theory for the feeble minded to concoct.

So your are now saying that the archaeology that shows this thread to be total hogwash is invalid because that’s what you want to believe? Pathetic.

The NT was CREATED my the council of Nicea, it was selectively compiled from older, diverse documents. At the time the NT was compiled, there was controversy over the inclusion of Gnostic texts (The Gospel According to Mary - etc) and other texts that showed the late jc in a bad light. "John" and "Revelation" are Gnostic-leaning texts that were included as a compromise. Those documents that were used before were NOT the NT but a bunch of pseudepigraphia (look it up), some of them helped in the compilation of the NT. But since when has it ever disturbed a christian to LIE for his belief?

Public thread, ever considered the concept?

I am not interested in how you INTERPRET something, I am interested in evidence based FACT and if that fact rocks your apple cart then that’s just tough

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<quoted text>You cant even ID the 'beast'. Until you accomplish this there's no need to move on the mark.

And yes you have been shown from the Bible.

The ID card or microchip is no more the MoB than the SSN was.

The mark has to do with those who follow the beast as we read in Rev 14:6-12.

You are getting all hung up on the symbolism of chapter 13 about who can buy/sell. First ID the beast and the rest of the symbolism.

Is the beast just some donkey? Is it the mark of the donkey?
Big point here is the MoB will be on your right hand and if you don't have a right hand it would be on the forehead.
You would use this mark to buy and sell. Cash will be gone! As long as there is cash you don't have to worry.

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<quoted text>I see you are quite new here, my suggestion is go to church of you want a conversation about christianity with christians.

This is a PUBLIC thread and on a PUBLIC thread there is a bit of difference between you personal your wish to slag of atheists in private and FACT for the simple reason it is a PUBLIC thread, have you any idea of the concept of PUBLIC?
Come here looking for some recruits?

You better work harder ChristineM your numbers are dwindling.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

"Posted earlier by derek4

Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.

Continued:

Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."

Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.

Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).

Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...

[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]

From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT

July, 2012

“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”

A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.

Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.

There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...

[Who would want to be an atheist? LOL]"

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<quoted text>Older is older and therefore BEFORE so more original. Why are you having so much trouble see this basic fact?

tough
Posted else where by derek4

From: The Columbus Dispatch:

February 4, 2011

Church, without God

“Stan Bradley likes Bible stories, admires Martin Luther and uses expressions such as 'heavens, no.'

The Lithopolis man is president of a local congregation and rarely misses a Sunday service. Occasionally, he goes to his wife's church instead.

For these and other reasons, Bradley considers himself religious.”

He is also an atheist.

continued:

“Like Bradley, some atheists participate in organized religion for its social and psychological benefits.”

continued:

“Churches are great places to find friends, support and youth education, so nonbelievers and believers alike join congregations to fill those needs, he said.

He has spoken to elderly and sick people who can no longer go to church and they say they most miss the feeling of community.

Recent research from Harvard University and the University of Wisconsin backs him up. It found that religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people, not because of belief but because of the friendships found at church.”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...

“religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people”[I have said this all along, and my posts are still on the board to confirm it. Now you hear it straight from the atheist, lol.]

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ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Older is older and therefore BEFORE so more original. Why are you having so much trouble see this basic fact?

The Oxyrhynchus Papyri is an original document, not edited by incredulous monks, not translated with the errors that translation can bring. Not compiled (twice) from various sources, the Oxyrhynchus Papyri was one of those sources.

How you justify to yourself that a later, edited, translated versions are the correct versions is your affair, what I (and several others) have done here is show that 666 is a later adaptation than 616. How you justify that one variant over another is trash is also up to your conscience. How do you know itÂ’s the Egyptian copy that was corrupted?

Wrong, the Greek version of the OT is considerably different form the Hebrew Tanakh. The OT has been vary carefully selected, edited and compiled from the Tenakh.

P.S. the original language of the documents that went to create the NT was Aramaic (and other Semitic dialects). DonÂ’t know much about your babble book do you?

So what you seem to be saying is the copies you believe to be right are right, forget proof, forget evidence and forget contemporary documents. What you say is right, end of story? Sorry buddy, life and science are not like that.

Â…

Very little supports the biblical account of world history, most of what is written in the babble (both OT and NT) can be discounted by fact. ItÂ’s true that some places and personalities existed but that is not proof that the biblical account is true, only that some truth has been used to create the biblical account.

Take a look at the very first post and see the stupidity of the 666 claim as interpreted by timesten. World-wide governmental conspiracies, adding the number of digits of official documents (sometimes in documents that donÂ’t exist). Then combining the results by multiplying one number by 100, another by 10 and leaving the last untouched and then inverting the result - that is some conspiracy theory for the feeble minded to concoct.

So your are now saying that the archaeology that shows this thread to be total hogwash is invalid because thatÂ’s what you want to believe? Pathetic.

The NT was CREATED my the council of Nicea, it was selectively compiled from older, diverse documents. At the time the NT was compiled, there was controversy over the inclusion of Gnostic texts (The Gospel According to Mary - etc) and other texts that showed the late jc in a bad light. "John" and "Revelation" are Gnostic-leaning texts that were included as a compromise. Those documents that were used before were NOT the NT but a bunch of pseudepigraphia (look it up), some of them helped in the compilation of the NT. But since when has it ever disturbed a christian to LIE for his belief?

Public thread, ever considered the concept?

I am not interested in how you INTERPRET something, I am interested in evidence based FACT and if that fact rocks your apple cart then thatÂ’s just tough
Posted earlier by derek4

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Come here looking for some recruits?
You better work harder ChristineM your numbers are dwindling.
The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.
"Posted earlier by derek4
Study: Atheists Have Lowest 'Retention Rate' Compared to Religious Groups
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
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Gray also noted that, "of those raised as atheists, 30% are now affiliated with a Protestant denomination, 10% are Catholic, 2% are Jewish, 1% are Mormon, and 1% are Pagan."
Jehovah's Witness, congregationalist and holiness churches had the next lowest retention rates at 37 percent, 37 percent and 32 percent, respectively. Thirty-eight percent of those who grew up with no particular religious faith or belief system remained that way.
Hindus had the highest retention rate at 84 percent, followed by Jews (76 percent), Muslims (76 percent), Greek Orthodox (73 percent), Mormons (70 percent) and Catholics (68 percent).
Baptists had the highest retention rate of the Protestant Christian categories at 60 percent, followed by Lutheran (59 percent) and Pentecostal (50 percent).
http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...
[Right; NO thinking people don't want to be atheists.]
From: Deseret News / Salt Lake City, UT
July, 2012
“Atheists abandon their beliefs more often than people in other religious groups, study finds”
A new study has found that people raised in an atheist home abandon those beliefs as adults more often than people raised with other religious belief systems, putting atheism at a 30 percent retention rate. Conclusions and interpretations of the study are that atheists are more often "made" as adults rather than "raised." The highest retention rates are in the Hindu faith, which holds onto about 84 percent of adherents.
Those who grow up in an atheist household are least likely to maintain their beliefs about religion as adults, according to a study by Georgetown University's Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).
Only about 30 percent of those who grow up in an atheist household remain atheists as adults. This "retention rate" was the lowest among the 20 separate categories in the study.
There were 1,387 atheists (weighted) in the survey. Four-hundred thirty-two weighted respondents said they were raised atheist. Of those, 131 self-identified as atheist.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
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WTF are you smoking???

Christianity is on the decline. Christian leaders are worried where their pay checks will come from in 50 years time. At the current rate of collapse there will be no chritians in the UK by 2035. The US decline is slower but it is evident.

As to what Christian liars have posted – who gives a damn??? atheism is rising because those flocking from the christian church, delusioned by paedophile priests and the ignorance of prats like you are swelling the ranks of atheism. True not as fast as the rise in islam but it is rising.

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<quoted text>WTF are you smoking???

Christianity is on the decline. Christian leaders are worried where their pay checks will come from in 50 years time. At the current rate of collapse there will be no chritians in the UK by 2035. The US decline is slower but it is evident.

As to what Christian liars have posted – who gives a damn??? atheism is rising because those flocking from the christian church, delusioned by paedophile priests and the ignorance of prats like you are swelling the ranks of atheism. True not as fast as the rise in islam but it is rising.
LOL!!!

I posted the facts you post lies.
I back my post up with numbers from 2012 United States CIA.
You back up your lies with NOTHING!
These older survey show slightly higher
Numbers which proofs atheism is on the decline.

LOL

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."
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Big point here is the MoB will be on your right hand and if you don't have a right hand it would be on the forehead.
You would use this mark to buy and sell. Cash will be gone! As long as there is cash you don't have to worry.

If you want to generalize the 'beast' as just the world govt who would implement your theorized microchip mark to control buying/selling, this is no different than the SSN long ago.

According to Rev 14:6-12 the issue is about worship as the beast requires. Either we follow the beast or not.

Then who buys/sells in the beast-empire? Only those who follow the beast, owners of banking, media, military complex - the fascist corporate elite, same as the old order-holy roman empire.

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ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>I see you are quite new here, my suggestion is go to church of you want a conversation about christianity with christians.

This is a PUBLIC thread and on a PUBLIC thread there is a bit of difference between you personal your wish to slag of atheists in private and FACT for the simple reason it is a PUBLIC thread, have you any idea of the concept of PUBLIC?
"my suggestion is go to church"

Posted else where by derek4

From: The Columbus Dispatch:

February 4, 2011

Church, without God

“Stan Bradley likes Bible stories, admires Martin Luther and uses expressions such as 'heavens, no.'

The Lithopolis man is president of a local congregation and rarely misses a Sunday service. Occasionally, he goes to his wife's church instead.

For these and other reasons, Bradley considers himself religious.”

He is also an atheist.

continued:

“Like Bradley, some atheists participate in organized religion for its social and psychological benefits.”

continued:

“Churches are great places to find friends, support and youth education, so nonbelievers and believers alike join congregations to fill those needs, he said.

He has spoken to elderly and sick people who can no longer go to church and they say they most miss the feeling of community.

Recent research from Harvard University and the University of Wisconsin backs him up. It found that religious people tend to be happier than nonreligious people, not because of belief but because of the friendships found at church.”
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...

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<quoted text>If you want to generalize the 'beast' as just the world govt who would implement your theorized microchip mark to control buying/selling, this is no different than the SSN long ago.

According to Rev 14:6-12 the issue is about worship as the beast requires. Either we follow the beast or not.

Then who buys/sells in the beast-empire? Only those who follow the beast, owners of banking, media, military complex - the fascist corporate elite, same as the old order-holy roman empire.
Here is a very important point. If you choose to get the mark of the beast you are choosing to worship the beast and give him your allegiance. You will be worshiping Satan. You will be breaking the first of the ten commandments. In the first commandment God says,

"You shall have no other gods before Me.” Exodus 20:3

If you worship the beast you are placing another god before the true God of heaven.

If you choose one of the beast’s 666 names to be put on your forehead or on your right hand you are choosing to worship the beast as your god. You will be worshiping a false god and will receive the undiluted wrath of the true God who lives in heaven.

Allowed to buy and sell

It will seem like a good idea to get the mark of the beast because then you will be able to buy and sell. You can buy food and water. You can buy medicine and clothes for your family. You can continue to work at your job and get paid.

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What happened to “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.” Oh I see you are one of those christians who don’t actual care what the babble says just so long as you can hurt people who don’t think like you – right?

FYI I have no god to worship so I have no need to lie. I supplied 3 links, one on the discussion on the fall in christianity in the UK based on UK national census results and TWO to discussions of the fall in christianity in the US based on US church figures.

What did you quote? A topix poster with links to christain biased sites and now you seem to think wiki is a valid source of information. You are so silly

2.4% of the population (by some measures) and rising. You are falling into the trap that many Americans fall into, you consider that the world ends at your borders and all that shows is your deliberate ignorance. You fail to add into that 2.4% the agnostics and other non religious bringing the total to more than 14%. Then there are those who do not worship a god but consider the way they life as a religion, Buddhists and those that do not believe in the Aramaic god, Hindus.

Christianity claims to account for about 33% of the world population. Lying claims because I am counted in their figures as are all others who have left the church, i.e. it’s a LIE, a good christrian LIE for your god.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/01/a...
The exact number of faithless [in the US] is unclear. One study by the Pew Research Centre puts them at about 12% of the population, but another by the Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society and Culture at Trinity College in Hartford puts that figure at around 20%.

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Now consider some of the European countries. The rapid decline of christianity in the UK, 40% of adults profess no religion (official government figures 2011) and that is with a state church to “guide” people to christianity. The UK has lost more than 29% of it’s christians in 10 years.

Germany 25% atheist, Estonia 26% atheist, Czech Republic, 30% atheist, France, 33% atheist etc, etc.

Then try Russia 13% atheist,,Funny how christian takeup is more than 12% higher than the world average, it seems they too have god on their side.

India? Same story as in the UK, christianity is falling, it’s down to 2.3% of the population and that’s a bloody big population about 3 times that of the USA

How about China, the biggest population of any country and what do you know … 4% christian and 42% agnostic/atheist, that’s over 500 million atheists/agnostics in one country. Over 60% more agnostics/atheists in one country that the entire population of the US.

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Not long ago christians sent the inquisition to torture and force those who did not worship their myth into their way of thinking. Hitler tortured and killed millions of people because he believed they killed the christian saviour. Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic committed genocide in the name of their christian church. Those good Christians Adam Lanza and Anders Behring Breivik committed mass murderer against children, good christian values to a man. The IRA, mass murdering christian terrorists who go to church each Sunday to seek absolution of their sins. BTW I was injured in one of their indiscriminate bomb attacks so I happen to have learned quite a lot about their policy, methods and religion. How about the NLFT in India, good christians all. Then of course we have the paedophile priests in the catholic church and the horrors and ill treatment of the Magdalene laundries etc, etc. Christianity has nothing to offer but subjugation, pain, resentment, rape, slavery, murder,(including child murder) and genocide as taught in the babble.

Good people all over the world are falling over themselves to distance themselves from such atrocities

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<quoted text>What happened to bear false witness against your neighbour.” Oh I distance themselves from such atrocities
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"What did you quote? A topix poster with links to christain biased sites"

I see you have no issues with lying.

I quoted the CIA you know the "United States. Central intelligent's agency" and the Encyclopedia Britannica survey.

The CIA World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.35%(of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%, atheists 2.04%.

A survey published in the 2005 Encyclopedia Britannica stated that 2.3% of the world's population consists of individuals who profess "atheism, skepticism, disbelief, or irreligion, including the militantly antireligious." In regards to the 2.3% figure just mentioned, the 2005 survey cited by Encyclopedia Britannica survey did not include Buddhist in regards to the 2.3% figure and Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic."

Wikipedia:

"Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population.[citation needed] It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not"

Wikipedia :

"2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States were most sure of the existence of God or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic)"

Wikipedia :

"According to one estimate, atheists make up about 2.3% of the world's population"

"In 2007, a Pew Forum survey found that the atheist population in the United States was 1.6% of the American population."

"Global atheism is shrinking and demographic changes in the United States and the world are expected to shrink the influence of American secularism.

In 2012, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary reported that globally every day there are 800 less atheists per day, 1,100 less non-religious (agnostic) people per day and 83,000 more people professing to be Christians per day.
In 2011, the American Spectator declared concerning research published in the International Bulletin of

Missionary Research:
The report estimates about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. These atheists are presumably disproportionately represented in the West, while religion is thriving in the Global South, where charismatic Christianity is exploding."

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LOL
"What did you quote? A topix poster with links to christain biased sites"
I have considerable issues with lying and liars, in fact I have absolutely no tolerance for liars, particularly religious liars.

You yourself wrote the name of the topix poster (“Posted else where by derek4” and “Posted earlier by derek4”) and said your piece was copied from him.
With links to - http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
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http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...

Even though you do consider that documented FACT to be a lie I commend you on that, most christians would simply have plagiarised the work.

You also provided several quotes from Wikipedia (not the most reliable of sources)

You also provided a quote from Missionary Research whoever they are but the name certainly sounds missionary biased to me so I won’t consider that reliable either

And you also quoted the CIA data, see my paragraph on China later.

And I must remind you that I quoted the British government census statistics (in my opinion more reliable than what to me is some overseas covert spying and torture organisation) and articles sourced from American churches research (are you calling US church leaders liars?). I also provide a couple of US polling organisations as an aside just to show how wildly one in particular (Pew Research Centre) differs from your own data from the same source.

I am not going to go through it all again because you are simply too ignorant to comprehend that you are selectively mixing and matching your populations depending on your argument.

However I will say that the reason I mentioned China was because the number of atheist in that country alone screw the world wide figures you offer by more than a factor of 3 – no matter what the source. More than half a billion atheists in a world of 7 billion means that taking the Chinese atheist alone 8.5% of the world population are atheist. That does not include the 2% of the world population of atheist’s in Europe.

I can’t be bothered with the rest of the world, because in China and Europe I have shown your silly CIA statistics out by at least a factor of 4.

Christianity may be exploding in your back yard but that is irrelevant, on a world scale christianity is in decline, no matter how much you stamped your feet.

It’s on the decline in the christian stronghold of Europe and it seems from US church sources that it is also declining albeit at a slower rate in the US
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/...
Note this is a religious source.
The only continent on which christinity is increasing is Africa but of course even there Islam is on the increasing faster.

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ChristineM wrote:
I have considerable issues with lying and liars, in fact I have absolutely no tolerance for liars, particularly religious liars.

You yourself wrote the name of the topix poster (“Posted else where by derek4” and “Posted earlier by derek4”) and said your piece was copied from him.
With links to - http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-athei...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765589392/...
and
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/faith...

Even though you do consider that documented FACT to be a lie I commend you on that, most christians would simply have plagiarised the work.

You also provided several quotes from Wikipedia (not the most reliable of sources)

You also provided a quote from Missionary Research whoever they are but the name certainly sounds missionary biased to me so I wonÂ’t consider that reliable either

And you also quoted the CIA data, see my paragraph on China later.

And I must remind you that I quoted the British government census statistics (in my opinion more reliable than what to me is some overseas covert spying and torture organisation) and articles sourced from American churches research (are you calling US church leaders liars?). I also provide a couple of US polling organisations as an aside just to show how wildly one in particular (Pew Research Centre) differs from your own data from the same source.

I am not going to go through it all again because you are simply too ignorant to comprehend that you are selectively mixing and matching your populations depending on your argument.

However I will say that the reason I mentioned China was because the number of atheist in that country alone screw the world wide figures you offer by more than a factor of 3 – no matter what the source. More than half a billion atheists in a world of 7 billion means that taking the Chinese atheist alone 8.5% of the world population are atheist. That does not include the 2% of the world population of atheist’s in Europe.

I canÂ’t be bothered with the rest of the world, because in China and Europe I have shown your silly CIA statistics out by at least a factor of 4.

Christianity may be exploding in your back yard but that is irrelevant, on a world scale christianity is in decline, no matter how much you stamped your feet.

ItÂ’s on the decline in the christian stronghold of Europe and it seems from US church sources that it is also declining albeit at a slower rate in the US
http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2012/...
Note this is a religious source.
The only continent on which christinity is increasing is Africa but of course even there Islam is on the increasing faster.
Yes you cherry pick country's to try and make your numbers look good.

My Wikipedia quotes state their sources they did not conduct the surveys them selfs.

If you observed the dates and numbers and graphed them out you would see the obvious downward trend in the world population percentage of atheist.

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February 7, 2013
Man Quits Job After ’666&#8242; Stamped On W-2

ATLANTA (AP/WAOK)– A Tennessee maintenance worker says he quit his job because his W-2 tax form was stamped with the number 666.

Walter Slonopas says that accepting the number would have condemned his soul to hell. That number is considered the “mark of the beast” in the Bible’s Book of Revelation describing the apocalypse.
The company that handles payroll for Contech Casting LLC says the number meant Slonopas’ form was the 666th one mailed out.

The 52-year-old Slonopas says he had trouble with the number before. He was supposed to be assigned No. 668 to use when he clocked in. Because of a mix-up, he was assigned 666. He complained and got a new number.

A company spokesman says Contech would send a new W-2 and wants to rehire Slonopas. But Slonopas says “God is worth more than money.”
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2013/02/07/man-qu...
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Gee and I'll bet in order to get his tax forms he would need to produce Identification, proving who he is,. Not to mention he would need to show his name and his number to get a job, top get money, to buy and sell.
And what would he have to show... ID/SSN
And in order to get those two items. you need to prove who you are. How does one prove who they are? You go to the Birth Records dept. at City Hall, where you apply for one and they will give you a Certificate of Birth.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/20...
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....
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http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Pola...
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.... (side%201%20of%202).jpg
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry....

And after you obtain that you can now proceed to get your Identification Card
https://www.google.com/search...
and your own personal Social Security Card
https://www.google.com/search...
Which has 9 numbers on it.#9 is an inverted #six....fact
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Also...
https://sites.google.com/site/911whatyoumight...

Still have denials? Of course you do. But they are meaningless up against truth and fact.
Face it folks the mark is here and we all have it. in one form or another. It identifies you to the government. It is who you are on this world.

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