Any Shepherds Chapel Students?

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“No A appointment Necessary ”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#1 Sep 3, 2010
If so...Let's chat....
jasonh297

Dalton, GA

#2 Oct 19, 2010
Hey, I am a student for SC. I have been for almost over 5 years. Would love to chat.

“No A appointment Necessary ”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#3 Oct 20, 2010
jasonh297 wrote:
Hey, I am a student for SC. I have been for almost over 5 years. Would love to chat.
Me too. About 5 years now myself. What do you think about Murray? Do you think he's right about most of his teachings?
Hmmmm

Milton, WV

#4 Oct 20, 2010
I'm going to see where this goes first. I do like your two scripture references though. It says a lot that no one here is willing to tackle.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#5 Oct 20, 2010
Calling all Jew-baiters! Calling all Jew-baiters! LOL
Thinking

Northampton, UK

#6 Oct 20, 2010
You're so mentally crippled you actually believe there are only seven stars like your bible says?
Hmmmm wrote:
I'm going to see where this goes first. I do like your two scripture references though. It says a lot that no one here is willing to tackle.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#7 Oct 20, 2010
The Specialist wrote:
<quoted text>Me too. About 5 years now myself. What do you think about Murray? Do you think he's right about most of his teachings?
Arnold Murray is one of the more powerful evil souls who's teachings are poison to one's soul.

He is condemned by all mainstream Christian leaders as an evil spirit and false prophet. His teachings go directly against many of the Christian teachings and he only promotes bigotry and hatred. Anyone who listens to his poisonous demonspeak will only lose any chance of passing judgment and entering Heaven.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#8 Oct 20, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
I'm going to see where this goes first. I do like your two scripture references though. It says a lot that no one here is willing to tackle.
Anything to do with your dark lord, Demonmaster Murray, will only go down the toilet with you and anyone else who has been deceived by him.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#9 Oct 20, 2010
jasonh297 wrote:
Hey, I am a student for SC. I have been for almost over 5 years. Would love to chat.
So has he poisoned your soul with his bigotry and hate?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#10 Oct 20, 2010
Arnold Murray:
But his outward behavior is merely a symptom of his heretical doctrine. The message Arnold Murray is spreading is cultic and lethal to one’s soul. And from an earthly perspective his teachings promote bigotry against Jews, blacks and all non-Anglo-Saxon people. This contrasts markedly with the fruit of the Spirit which is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance (Gal. 5:22-23).

So beware of Arnold Murray. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and though he may rant and rave against historic orthodox teachers saying they don’t know their Bibles, he is the one who doesn’t know his Bible. He:

Denies the historic doctrine of the Trinity.
Believes that men were once gods who existed prior to living on the earth.
Teaches the divisive doctrine promoted by other cults that the Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel.
Denies the existence of hell.
Claims the doctrine of the rapture is "cultic."
Bestows a special honor on himself, claiming to be God’s exclusive end time messenger for the world.
Falsely claims to have a doctorate degree from a properly accredited university or seminary.

But the core of his teaching centers around the sinister "serpent seed" doctrine that has been linked to various identity "Christian" and right-wing neo-nazi groups. What this doctrine teaches is that in the Garden of Eden, Eve’s sin was that of having literal sexual intercourse with the serpent, And Adam having homosexual sex with Satan also, which resulted in the pregnancy that produced Cain; the devil’s literal offspring.

Murray says the descendants of this offspring are the "Kenites," a hybrid that include the Jews of today. These were the "Jews" who killed Christ, he has stated in his tape called "Grace: Baptism," adding that "if you have ever really believed that group was the chosen of God you were deceived by Satan!"

In the same tape Murray teaches that even among Christians the different races should have no fellowship.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#11 Oct 20, 2010
Murray’s 1958 minister’s license was signed by the late white supremacists Roy Gillaspie and Kenneth Goff, two early ideologues of Christian Identity, a racist theology that’s been popular among Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other white nationalists for several decades. Most Identity adherents believe the Bible is the history of the white race, who are seen as the real “chosen people.”

Gillaspie was the pastor of the Church of Jesus Christ, a seminal Christian Identity operation — headquartered at Gillaspie’s Bellflower, Calif., church — with a handful of congregations in California and Arkansas, one of which was led by Murray.(Murray’s Church of Jesus Christ in Gravette, Ark., was the precursor to his Shepherd’s Chapel, in the same location.) The Intelligence Report has obtained Church of Jesus Christ newsletters dated 1978 that are signed by Murray.

Goff, for his part, was the founder of the Colorado-based Soldiers of the Cross Training Institute, a school that trained Christian Identity leaders including Dan Gayman, a well-known anti-Semitic leader during the 1980s. In 1958, Goff’s pamphlet,“Reds Promote Racial War,” claimed the Bible supported racial segregation. A 1969 Soldiers of the Cross newsletter penned by Goff describes black civil rights protesters as seeking “to submerge our culture and religious heritage under a flood of cannibalism, voodooism and beastly jungle sex orgies.”

Arnold Murray is still connected to something called Soldiers of the Cross. According to Arkansas public records, a corporation by that name is doing business as Shepherd’s Chapel in Arkansas, and Murray is registered as the corporation’s agent. Murray’s home, his church property where the TV studio and satellites are located, and several parcels of land in Gravette, Ark., are all listed as the property of Soldiers of the Cross.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#12 Oct 20, 2010
Part I

Arnold Murray and Shepherd's Chapel (DD)

Head quack or silly goose?

UPDATE 5/12/08: I've questioned Arnold Murray's authority more pointedly here.

Arnold Murray, leader of the Shepherd’s Chapel, is a “Dangerous Duck”. He strives to appear as a learned Bible scholar, but his methods are faulty. He has demonstrated the signs of a false prophet. He maintains attitudes that are disturbingly un-Christlike for a church leader, such as a lack of compassion and a violent nature. Murray habitually brands everyone who disagrees with him as a tool of the devil, which tells you something about how solid his theology is. Rather than instruct or correct with love and compassion1, Murray responds with anger, aggressiveness, and secrecy. Worst of all, he inspires the same contempt and anger in his followers. Christians should be very wary of anyone who acts as Arnold Murray does, and should avoid any teacher who subscribes to his unbiblical views.

A major red-flag issue with Arnold Murray is his secretive attitude regarding his credentials. This man claims to be an expert at interpreting the Word of God. He goes by the title of “Dr.”, inferring that he holds a Doctoral degree. When asked where he obtained this PhD, he refuses to answer. His claim: he does not want his critics to judge him “by association”. He also says his more important credential is his self-professed ability to teach God’s Word. Granted, a specialized degree is not a requirement to be a good teacher, or a knowledgeable scholar; yet such secrecy is troubling. If his credentials are sound, then why fear criticism? If he thinks that his skills are more important, then what does it matter if your degree is criticized? A legitimate teacher who preaches the Gospel truthfully has no reason to fear the criticism of men2. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

A Christian should search the Bible thoroughly when looking for answers. To interpret a passage, it is important to read other similar scriptures, examine the context of the verse, chapter, and book, and sometimes check on the original language for clarity. This is what Murray claims to do, referring to a “verse-by-verse”,“chapter-by-c hapter” approach. Actually, Murray supports his doctrines by quoting single verses, or narrow portions of scripture. Murray takes verses out of their context, which makes it easy to twist their meaning. He discusses original Greek and Hebrew word meanings – but only when he can pick an alternate translation that seems to support his opinion. He then applies an interpretation that supports his own beliefs with no regard for the rest of the Bible, attempting to connect passages that are totally unrelated. Even then, his interpretations of verses are far-fetched.

When others object or question his conclusions, Murray attacks the questioner rather than defending his view. This doesn’t speak well of his ability to rationally defend his beliefs. Like the founders of Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh-Day Adventism, Murray comes to the Bible with his own pre-conceived opinions, then twists and tears at the Word of God to make it fit.

For example, Murray claims that Cain was actually the son of Eve and Satan. He quotes the parable of the good and bad seeds from Matthew chapter 30 and tries to connect it to Genesis 3, where God informs Eve and the serpent of the animosity that there will be between serpents and men. Of course, he has little to say about scripture following soon after, which says:“And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.”3. Adam was Cain’s father, and there is no reason to believe otherwise.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#13 Oct 20, 2010
Part II

Murray teaches that there will be no rapture, despite the descriptions of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. As is all too common with Arnold Murray, he has claimed that 95% of churches who teach the rapture will accept the antichrist as savior[4], effectively questioning the salvation of anyone who believes in the rapture. Salvation is based on a submissive, repentant faith in Christ, and nothing else. Given this, it is unsettling to hear a so-called Bible scholar making such claims about those he disagrees with.

Arnold Murray has also demonstrated violent personality traits incompatible with the position of church leader. His lack of compassion for those who disagree with him is disturbing. His condescending references to those who do not share his views may be the most noticeable sign of his instability, but it is not the most alarming. Murray has been recorded on tape threatening a listener5, and promotes to the Christian Identity Movement. This group believes that the British are the real descendants of the ancient Israelites. This movement has been the foundation, fuel, and ammunition for a great deal of racial bigotry, hatred, and racism. Murray even denounces interracial marriages, an unbiblical doctrine that lends itself to racism.
Hmmmm

Huntington, WV

#16 Oct 27, 2010
Thinking wrote:
You're so mentally crippled you actually believe there are only seven stars like your bible says?
<quoted text>
The bible says the stars are countless you illiterate horses ass.
Hmmmm

Huntington, WV

#17 Oct 27, 2010
Seentheotherside wrote:
Part II
Murray teaches that there will be no rapture, despite the descriptions of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52. As is all too common with Arnold Murray, he has claimed that 95% of churches who teach the rapture will accept the antichrist as savior[4], effectively questioning the salvation of anyone who believes in the rapture. Salvation is based on a submissive, repentant faith in Christ, and nothing else. Given this, it is unsettling to hear a so-called Bible scholar making such claims about those he disagrees with.
Arnold Murray has also demonstrated violent personality traits incompatible with the position of church leader. His lack of compassion for those who disagree with him is disturbing. His condescending references to those who do not share his views may be the most noticeable sign of his instability, but it is not the most alarming. Murray has been recorded on tape threatening a listener5, and promotes to the Christian Identity Movement. This group believes that the British are the real descendants of the ancient Israelites. This movement has been the foundation, fuel, and ammunition for a great deal of racial bigotry, hatred, and racism. Murray even denounces interracial marriages, an unbiblical doctrine that lends itself to racism.
blah blah blah All this from an intolerant astral projectionist. You psychotic, bigoted creep.

“No A appointment Necessary ”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#18 Oct 27, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
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blah blah blah All this from an intolerant astral projectionist. You psychotic, bigoted creep.
I'm a student of Murray's, if you would like to chat.
Hmmmm

Huntington, WV

#19 Oct 27, 2010
The Specialist wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a student of Murray's, if you would like to chat.
I don't listen to him nearly as much as I used to but he taught me one thing I am grateful for. That is HOW to study the bible. Certain people here try to paint him with a racial brush but their paint don't stick. They can't prove it at all. All they do is copy and paste others opinions of him. They probably never listened to one whole program of his. Do you think he is racist?

“No A appointment Necessary ”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#20 Oct 27, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't listen to him nearly as much as I used to but he taught me one thing I am grateful for. That is HOW to study the bible. Certain people here try to paint him with a racial brush but their paint don't stick. They can't prove it at all. All they do is copy and paste others opinions of him. They probably never listened to one whole program of his. Do you think he is racist?
No, he's not racist. They try to portray him as a racist, because he believes the Caucasians of Europe, Canada and America are the ten lost tribes, which i do also. I've studied with him for years, and I've never heard one racial statement. Most of the things that they claim he teaches is either twisted up or blown way out of proportion. I don't think he would purposely steer you wrong. He is well aware of what God thinks about false teaching.

“No A appointment Necessary ”

Since: Dec 09

Cannon, KY

#21 Oct 27, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't listen to him nearly as much as I used to but he taught me one thing I am grateful for. That is HOW to study the bible. Certain people here try to paint him with a racial brush but their paint don't stick. They can't prove it at all. All they do is copy and paste others opinions of him. They probably never listened to one whole program of his. Do you think he is racist?
Almost forgot, it's also because of the serpent seed, and the Kenites(false Jews). Which is entirely accurate to start with. Revelation 2:9 Revelation 3:9. 2:9 to Smyrna 3:9 to Philadelphia. These were the only two churches that taught who the Kenites were.
Hmmmm

Huntington, WV

#22 Oct 27, 2010
The Specialist wrote:
<quoted text>Almost forgot, it's also because of the serpent seed, and the Kenites(false Jews). Which is entirely accurate to start with. Revelation 2:9 Revelation 3:9. 2:9 to Smyrna 3:9 to Philadelphia. These were the only two churches that taught who the Kenites were.
The serpent seed is entirely plausible. Genesis 6 and the Book of Jude prove it out. I'm not really that familiar with the ten lost tribe theory but I keep an open mind to it. What really got me into the Shepherds Chapel was when I heard him say there would be no rapture. That really amazed me because that is all I ever believed. Not because I read it in the bible (it's not there) but because that was what everybody else believed. That was in the time of the Hal Lindsey blockbuster, The Late, Great Planet Earth.

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