lol

Pineville, WV

#62 Sep 29, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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You better read these again carefully:
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http://biblehub.com/
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Exodus 3
Exodus 23:21-23
Acts 7:30-38
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
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The biblehub is where I get most of my quotations. God said Moses would see His back, and Moses did. He even had to wear a veil over his face because the glory of God shone from him and the Israelites were not able to look upon him. Exodus 34:33
lol

Pineville, WV

#63 Sep 29, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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Again. NO one had seen God in OT times. They saw the angel who refered to himself as the God of Bethel though (Genesis 31:11-13)
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---JOHN 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time ; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Nor were men seeing God when our Lord Jesus had just come in the form of flesh and blood or after
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----1 JOHN 4:12 No one has ever seen God ; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
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-----1 TIMOTHY 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
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------1 TIMOTHY 6:15-16 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (God*) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.
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WHERE THEY LYING LOL?
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Was Moses lying when he said he saw Gods back?

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Conch republic

#64 Sep 29, 2013
lol wrote:
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Was Moses lying when he said he saw Gods back?
Ya know paganbird thinks you're an idiot!
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#65 Sep 29, 2013
lol wrote:
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Was Moses lying when he said he saw Gods back?
You sure it wasn't the angel who refers to himself as the God of Abraham (Exodus 3) and Bethel ( Genesis 31:11-13) who appeared to Moses?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#66 Sep 29, 2013
lol wrote:
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Àcts 7:30-38
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#67 Sep 30, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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I don't mean to but in but...
“These twelve Jesus sent out, instructing them,“Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”- Matthew 10:5

And of course there was much more to the world than just the Middle East. People were living in North and South America, Australia, etc. even though the Jesus and his disciples didn’t know it.
Don't be foolish.
Jesus preached to the Samaritan woman at the well. The Apostles were to delay bringing the gospel to the gentiles until after Pentecost.

Of course Jesus and his disciples knew their hemisphere was well populated.
The Apostle Thomas preached through Persia, Afghanistan and India.
The Apostle Phillip preached through North Africa and The Apostle James preached through the Iberain Peninsula.

Folks traveled a little slower back then.
It's not like they had priceline.com to get airfare discounts, you know?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#68 Oct 1, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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Don't be foolish.
Jesus preached to the Samaritan woman at the well. The Apostles were to delay bringing the gospel to the gentiles until after Pentecost.
Of course Jesus and his disciples knew their hemisphere was well populated.
The Apostle Thomas preached through Persia, Afghanistan and India.
The Apostle Phillip preached through North Africa and The Apostle James preached through the Iberain Peninsula.
Folks traveled a little slower back then.
It's not like they had priceline.com to get airfare discounts, you know?
The apostles may not have had "priceline" but they did supposedly have the magic (supernatural power) of an omnipotent "God". If the knowledge of the "gospel" is so important for salvation why would an omnipotent "God" choose such a selective and slow means of transmitting such an important message. As Thomas Paine wrote...

"Had the news of salvation by Jesus Christ been inscribed on the face of the sun and the moon, in characters that all nations would have understood, the whole earth had known it in twenty-four hours, and all nations would have believed it; whereas, though it is now almost two thousand years since, as they tell us, Christ came upon earth, not a twentieth part of the people of the earth know anything of it, and among those who do, the wiser part do not believe it."

A lot of Native Americans lived and died in the 1500 years between the time of Jesus and the first missionaries to the New World.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#70 Oct 1, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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The apostles may not have had "priceline" but they did supposedly have the magic (supernatural power) of an omnipotent "God". If the knowledge of the "gospel" is so important for salvation why would an omnipotent "God" choose such a selective and slow means of transmitting such an important message. As Thomas Paine wrote...
"Had the news of salvation by Jesus Christ been inscribed on the face of the sun and the moon, in characters that all nations would have understood, the whole earth had known it in twenty-four hours, and all nations would have believed it; whereas, though it is now almost two thousand years since, as they tell us, Christ came upon earth, not a twentieth part of the people of the earth know anything of it, and among those who do, the wiser part do not believe it."

A lot of Native Americans lived and died in the 1500 years between the time of Jesus and the first missionaries to the New World.
We got a little time left.
God is not only benevolent, but very patient too.
lol

Pineville, WV

#71 Oct 1, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
<quoted text> You sure it wasn't the angel who refers to himself as the God of Abraham (Exodus 3) and Bethel ( Genesis 31:11-13) who appeared to Moses?
In the context given? No, it was God Himself.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#72 Oct 1, 2013
lol wrote:
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In the context given? No, it was God Himself.
and Acts 7:30-38?
lol

Pineville, WV

#73 Oct 1, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
<quoted text> and Acts 7:30-38?
Two different stories.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#74 Oct 1, 2013
lol wrote:
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Two different stories.
If there wasn't an Emissary in the burning bush (Exodus 3) then why does John 1:18 (KJV) say "No one had seen God"?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#75 Oct 1, 2013
"No one hath seen God AT ANY TIME"
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#76 Oct 2, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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We got a little time left.
God is not only benevolent, but very patient too.
You are missing the point. What about all of the people who have already lived and died without ever hearing the "good news". Tough luck?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#77 Oct 2, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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What about all of the people who have already lived and died without ever hearing the "good news"
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They too have had the Conscience that God implanted into every human being's brain after Pentecost (Hebrews 10:15-17/ Romans 2:14-16). You know, the little small voice everyone has always heard since they were a child. The One that came to save us daily to counter the false conscience (2 Corinthians 11:3). The same false conscience of today's so-called ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) who sanctify themselves and think their own various lip service Gentile brands of Christianity are the only ones who recieve Him. Therefore, a person can be saved by listening to their Conscience, or by listening to the advice given in the Word of God (Revelation 19:21). Either way a person is being saved by Yeshua, but this is not saying the name "Salvation" given to Yeshua at birth can save anyone. The word salvation alone cannot save anyone daily from demonic influence as Yeshua himself shows us in Matthew 4:1-11. Now, the Bible does teach that anyone calling on Jesus will be saved but this is only true for people totally ignorant of the Bible's contents and again there aren't too many people in the world that come under that jurisdiction, except the aborigines undiscovered by civilized man. BTW.....This is how Jewish people are saved by doing the commandments of God as written in the Old Testament ( and / or ) their own consciences. Now if Gentile Christian ministers today think Jesus died and the second covenant was fulfilled just for them to simply utter the word and name "Salvation" in order to disregard their conscience ( and / or ) doing the written Word, then they should remember what Jesus said:

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-----Matthew 7:20-23 “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly,'I never knew you. Away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'



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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#78 Oct 2, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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Correction: the Word of God (REVELATION 19:13)

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#79 Oct 2, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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By the way, that is not to say people don't reject their Conscience or the written word. We see false Christian ministers do it all the time and they have the written word. And the last thing I'll leave you with is a passage from Acts 17:

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---ACTS 17:26-27 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#80 Oct 2, 2013
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---HEBREWS 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

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Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#81 Oct 2, 2013
no-one-special wrote:
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They too have had the Conscience that God implanted into every human being's brain after Pentecost (Hebrews 10:15-17/ Romans 2:14-16). You know, the little small voice everyone has always heard since they were a child. The One that came to save us daily to counter the false conscience (2 Corinthians 11:3). The same false conscience of today's so-called ministers of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) who sanctify themselves and think their own various lip service Gentile brands of Christianity are the only ones who recieve Him. Therefore, a person can be saved by listening to their Conscience, or by listening to the advice given in the Word of God (Revelation 19:21). Either way a person is being saved by Yeshua, but this is not saying the name "Salvation" given to Yeshua at birth can save anyone. The word salvation alone cannot save anyone daily from demonic influence as Yeshua himself shows us in Matthew 4:1-11. Now, the Bible does teach that anyone calling on Jesus will be saved but this is only true for people totally ignorant of the Bible's contents and again there aren't too many people in the world that come under that jurisdiction, except the aborigines undiscovered by civilized man. BTW.....This is how Jewish people are saved by doing the commandments of God as written in the Old Testament ( and / or ) their own consciences. Now if Gentile Christian ministers today think Jesus died and the second covenant was fulfilled just for them to simply utter the word and name "Salvation" in order to disregard their conscience ( and / or ) doing the written Word, then they should remember what Jesus said:
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-----Matthew 7:20-23 “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day,'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly,'I never knew you. Away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'
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So what you're saying is that neither belief in Jesus nor knowledge of the Bible are necessary for salvation?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#82 Oct 2, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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So what you're saying is that neither belief in Jesus nor knowledge of the Bible are necessary for salvation?
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That's not what I said. I was saying those of us who do have the written word (OT/NT) have no excuse.

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