Catholic church Pope vote proof fake ...
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#62 Mar 15, 2013
Punisher wrote:
Nc - same #50 - and RC's know very little as well. What you do know is Church propaganda...
I am very active in my church so I probably know quite a bit more than most Catholics. I have taken the classes that teach about sexual abuse of children and how to protect them. The past cannot be changed and nothing could ever compensate for the pain of those who suffer. As for punishments, yes many have lost their positions.
nc resident

Charlotte, NC

#63 Mar 15, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I don't believe you. Rather than taking collective responsibility for abuse, the vatican is selectively bankrupting dioceses to limit abuse payouts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlements_and_...
Ratzinger is a disgusting bastard.
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There are no billions of dollars in most diocese. The parishoners collections pay for most of individual parish costs supplemented by the diocese. You have some odd notions as to wealthy Catholics.
Thinking

Barnsley, UK

#64 Mar 16, 2013
Stop wriggling out of it. Sell a Raphael- pay your child abuse dues.
nc resident wrote:
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There are no billions of dollars in most diocese. The parishoners collections pay for most of individual parish costs supplemented by the diocese. You have some odd notions as to wealthy Catholics.
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#65 Mar 16, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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No, actally they did vote for Cardinal Broglio in the last conclave, he was just short of the votes Cardinal Ratzinger received.
So the cardinals (I mean holy spirit) didn't think enough time had past for people to forget about the new Popes "Dirty War" and after 7 more years a lot of witnesses are dead he was the best choice available. So did your new Pope approve of tens of thousands of innocent people being tortured, beaten, raped, killed and thrown in the river or mass graves like trash? We know the bible god has no problem killing innocent people including babies, small children, animals and even trees for no reason!

Did he not approve but just kept his mouth shut because he is a coward and knows there is no way he can pray to god to help innocent people and he would just be killed? Another poster claims he can pray to god and get a used scrap wire nut delivered on the side of the road when they only cost a nickel. Was it just a coincidence the two Jesuit priests that were speaking unfavorably happened to have their protection lifted just before being kidnapped? That shut them up immediately, right?
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#66 Mar 16, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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The mind of The Lord is greater than yours.
That should be the case but reality shows otherwise, so what does that tell you? I see you offered no explanation for the fact that the holy spirit guided the cardinals in different directions through multiple votes. Why does the holy spirit let cardinals involved in child sex scandals provide the majority tie breaking vote.

You post from California so you definitely know a lot about Catholic child molestation, right? You give money to the church to provide the perfect environment for child molestation and then millions of your Catholic holy dollars go to settle out of court with the victims of child molestation. The ink wasn't even dry on the last $10,000,000 check to the victims of the last California settlement when cardinal Mahony rushed off to vote for the Pope.

We don't know how many cases get settled in private without going into the public record but the archdiocese settled more than 500 clergy abuse lawsuits in 2007 for a record-breaking $660,000,000 in one year! Wow! That's a lot of holy dollars used for holy child molestation that could of been used to feed starving children that die each day since prayer doesn't work. It could have also been used to comfort the little innocent children that are dying from terminal diseases that prayer cannot fix.
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#67 Mar 16, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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As promised:
I finally got the neighbor's kitchen drain unclogged. In the venacular it would be called 'the drain from hell'. I don't know why he had no trap so I got all the right parts together and buttoned it up. The waste line wasn't tall enough so I got a coupling and cut a sort of random length from a short piece of inch and a half ABS and a coupling to get the waste 'Tee' to the right hight. There was a gap from the 'Tee' to the trap and I measured that and it needed to be an inch and three quarters and I thought 'There's no way that scrap peice will be inch and three quaarters put I pulled it out of the fitting I held it with to cut the other piece and it was exactly one inch and three quarters.
On a separate note, on a separate project I wamted to hook up some of those so-called computer speakers so I could listen to some MP3 tunes outside but I needed a power supply but the only wall wart with satisfactory ratings had the wrong plug so I just stripped the wires and wrapped them together. It needed two of those little blue wire nuts and I knew there was one around here somewhere but I needed two. I was kind of thirsty toward the end of the day and there wasn't much to drink so I walked to the little store for some cokes. It's just about two blocks down a dirt easement and halfway there, on the ground, were four little pieces of wire held together with two blue wire nuts. No joke.
Well, the original job must have been intended for outdoors because there was some kind of glue sealing the things and I only salvaged one blue wire nut. Well like I said, I knew there was one around here somewhere and I looked down and there it was, right on the top of a plastic container of random nuts and bolts essentially under my chair.
Give us this day our daily bread. That means just give us what we need, not what we want.
God bless you.
I noticed you had no objection to any point I made because they were all true, correct? You didn't respond to the main reason for the thread which was my claim that the cardinals getting different guidance from the holy spirit through multiple votes, proves it originates in the human mind. The new Pope lost one of his lungs and can't get a prayer answered to regenerate a new one, right? If the Pope accepted the god challenge from the Muslim, he would die and it would appear to the Muslim that Islam must be the true religion, right? The bible god was tested in Scripture and responded by setting fire to water soaked wood so he has no problem passing a test as long as it's just a story in the bible with no proof right?

You didn't refute my natural explanation to your very small miracles but just offered up another even less impressive. I don't really believe you went to mass and lived out the plumbing story but lets run with it because it's not a miracle anyway. You do realize plumbing is extremely simple and nothing about it is precision, right? You can take a stick of sch 40 pipe and bend it into a horseshoe because it is very flexible. You also realize that the length is not critical either right?

Here is my example. Lets say me and my coworker are both incompetent plumbers so both of us arrive at a job with nothing to cut pipe with. We both have to build the exact same stack with an assortment of slip tees, bushings, 90's, unions, etc. We have two lengths of pipe, one full 8' stick and one that is 3 inches shorter. He uses the 8' pipe so how in the world will I get my stack exactly the same length? Will I pray to god for the pipe to be 3" longer? No, I just prime/glue all the joints at 75% engagement and the overall length will be exactly the same. It will be secure, leak free, look the same from the outside and unless someone checks the joins with x-ray, they won't know the difference.

Continued next post:
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#68 Mar 16, 2013
Continued:

Lets say the homeowner was a Christian and I dry fit the stack and showed them it was 3" to short. I could ask them to pray that the pipe is miraculously made 3" longer. They would probably say I don't pray for stuff like that because I don't see a pipe getting longer because of a prayer. I would say that the bible is full of miracles and Jesus said anything you ask in my name I will (not might) do it, so why not try it. Then I could permanently assemble the stack and run to the Christian screaming it's a miracle. They would tell the story to all the Christians who would repeat the miracle story but all the atheist would know better and just laugh.

Now that was a fun exercise but it seems a little unnecessary because you said you were just installing a trap and you did know they are adjustable, right? Why would you need an exact length? If you need an inch longer or shorter just loosen the compression nut and pull it out or push it in. You also ignored the question when I asked if you thought a Muslim or atheist contractor would have gotten a different measurement than you, be honest?

The wire nut story was interesting not because you found them on the side of the road but because you think god put them there. I mean a new wire nut cost a nickel but you think god knew you would need a wire nut years in advance and planned out a sequence of events that resulted in someone using the wire nuts, cutting them out, driving to your house and placing them where you could find them on a dirt road! That was a lot of trouble to create a complicated sequence of events to give you a scrap used wire nut full of RTV, why not just put a new on beside the other. Why would he do something that petty and stupid while ignoring prayers to help innocent children? Surely these stories are not serious, I hope! Not that it matters but wouldn't the correct wire nut for that awg be gray, not blue?

<<<<<Lets modify your story just a little to make it a real miracle. You're walking to that store and just before you get to where you found the wire nuts a cargo truck crashes into a bus full of elementary school children. The driver was a single parent of 3 small children who now go to foster care. Twenty of the children die instantly, one is paralysed from the neck down and the only other survivor was a child of a nice moral atheist family. The cargo truck was making a delivery to the local hardware store and wire nuts were scattered all over the road. Would you think this was an answered prayer, it would be much more miraculous? Bible god killed lots of innocent children in the bible so was this an answered prayer?>>>>> >
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#69 Mar 16, 2013
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text> Hitler sounds like a 'Real' "Christian" to me...
Yes everyone knows when a Christian does something wrong they are immediately labeled a fake Christian for damage control. So everything I posted was true, correct? Hitler was always a Christian and he was killing atheists and anyone that rejected Jesus not just Jews right? You see Hitler was a monster and he was a lot of things but he wasn't stupid. He could tell by reading the bible that most of it is the words of men used to build a religion. This is a quote from your link from Hilter on the myth maker apostle Paul.

"Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself, whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews. Hitler viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus by the Apostle Paul. In Mein Kampf Hitler writes that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross." In a speech 26 June 1934, Hitler

"It was Christians, you know, not Pagans, who were responsible for the Holocaust.”- Archbishop Desmond Tutu, speaking at Ebenezer Baptist Church, to participants in the annual meeting of the U.S. Conference for the World Council of Churches in Jan, 2000

It's also worth pointing out that Germany was Christian in the time of Hitler to well over 90% with a slight Protestant majority. He also got well over 90% of them to turn out and vote him in after his book "Mein Kampf" had been out for over a decade, so they knew all about his beliefs right? Just because Hitler was a Catholic most of his life you can't deny he was inspired by Martin Luther's vicious letter to the Jews. If you read it literally it looks like a Holocaust play book! When Martin Luther started the Protestant reformation he tried to convert the Jews to his repackaged view of Christianity but quickly turned against them.

So yes Hitler was a Christian fanatical religious Jesus nut that was in a position to carry out his Christian fantasy unlike most of the fruit cakes on here. There are plenty of Christians on here that would silence the words of science, truth and reality with violence if they were in a position to do so!
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#70 Mar 16, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You're HOPING.
Hope is sometimes comforting but it means nothing in reality. I do hope you find the truth one day but I realize from your posts that would be a miracle sent straight from god himself. I mean god itself, sorry old habit.
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#71 Mar 16, 2013
par five wrote:
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I'll start believing in miracles the first time I drop a slice of toasted bread and it lands butter side up!
This has been proven by science of course, did you see it on mythbusters? If you want your toast to land butter side up you have to place it butter down before you knock it off the table. You can also build a special table twice as tall as the standard height to give the toast time to make a 180 degree revolution. A Christian probably thinks their toast landed butter side down because god was punishing them for a sin like eating at Red Lobster last week, do you think so?
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#72 Mar 16, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did you ever hear about buttered cat Mag Lev?
Cats always land on their feet, but if you butter the back of the cat, it has to land on its back. So what happens if the cat can't land either way up? Obviously the cat spins just above the ground.
Voila! Organic anti gravity.
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That does make sense in context of this discussion but even if I was religious I wouldn't believe it, sorry. Well unless it could be proven that the cat was the second coming of Jesus, then all bets are off, of course!
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#73 Mar 16, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text>A BIG AMEN......
Are you a real preacher or is that just your nickname for topix? The purpose of the post was to answer the problem of why the holy ghost can't select the Pope with one vote but instead each cardinal gets a separate and different guiding voice during multiple votes just like it comes from the human mind. There was an answer offered by a non Catholic that said god doesn't listen to fake Christians.

I happen to know he doesn't listen to any denomination so since you're a Protestant he would give you real answers and they wouldn't just come from your own mind right? So when your church has to make an important decision next time have all the real Christians that admit to getting holy spirit guidance write down a secret ballot. If they don't all match the holy spirit guidance came from your human mind right?
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#74 Mar 16, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
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My toast lands butter side up everytime.
Maybe you should pray more often.
I guess you wouldn't mind testing this in a scientifically controlled setting with a standard height table and butter side up toast right? You would of course be allowed to pray for as long as you want. When that doesn't work you can bring in a bible or lucky rabbits foot. You could make a burnt offering with some poor defenseless live animal while it screams it pain from the flames if you think that will help. You superstition religious folks though burning innocent people and animals made god happy before god got a make over right? Just let us know when you would like to set up this prayer test okay?
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#75 Mar 16, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>yup, anything above zero is more than the others did...so gets a 4 on scale of 100.
Change is usually good even if it goes against past practice or Scripture right?

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#76 Mar 16, 2013
Popeisajoke wrote:
<quoted text>I noticed you had no objection to any point I made because they were all true, correct? You didn't respond to the main reason for the thread which was my claim that the cardinals getting different guidance from the holy spirit through multiple votes, proves it originates in the human mind. The new Pope lost one of his lungs and can't get a prayer answered to regenerate a new one, right? If the Pope accepted the god challenge from the Muslim, he would die and it would appear to the Muslim that Islam must be the true religion, right? The bible god was tested in Scripture and responded by setting fire to water soaked wood so he has no problem passing a test as long as it's just a story in the bible with no proof right?
You didn't refute my natural explanation to your very small miracles but just offered up another even less impressive. I don't really believe you went to mass and lived out the plumbing story but lets run with it because it's not a miracle anyway. You do realize plumbing is extremely simple and nothing about it is precision, right? You can take a stick of sch 40 pipe and bend it into a horseshoe because it is very flexible. You also realize that the length is not critical either right?
Here is my example. Lets say me and my coworker are both incompetent plumbers so both of us arrive at a job with nothing to cut pipe with. We both have to build the exact same stack with an assortment of slip tees, bushings, 90's, unions, etc. We have two lengths of pipe, one full 8' stick and one that is 3 inches shorter. He uses the 8' pipe so how in the world will I get my stack exactly the same length? Will I pray to god for the pipe to be 3" longer? No, I just prime/glue all the joints at 75% engagement and the overall length will be exactly the same. It will be secure, leak free, look the same from the outside and unless someone checks the joins with x-ray, they won't know the difference.
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Gee man, I'm really sorry I didn't respond to your comment but by the time I got done working on may neighbor's teeteing porch, he lost his foot a couple weeks ago, you should know that by now, and prayed the Stations of the Cross at the home of a member of the congregation, your comment was already eight hours old and since you hadn't commented in the meanwhile I kinda figured you had died and gone to heaven.

Anyway, thanks for the battery lesson. All your battery musings were totally irrelevant, however to 'The Miracle of the Dead Battery'. Tell me, when you calibrate your voltmeters and gages are your standards traceable to the National Bureau of Standards or not?

God bless you.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#77 Mar 16, 2013
Popeisajoke wrote:
I know you have probably lost count but this is just one more way to prove the Bible god is just man made mythology. You have a bunch of men that are all praying to the imaginary holy ghost for revelation on their vote and they never match. This should be the most important decision in Christianity but the cardinals special voice from the holy spirit is different for each of them. It usually takes 4 or more rounds of voting because when the holy spirit talks to a person it comes from their own mind. The mind virus of religion is a powerful thing but it has nothing to do with god.
I know Christians can talk to god but you're really just talking to your self. If you don't believe me just ask Jesus a question you can't answer yourself. You always give him multiple choice or yes/no questions that you answer with your own mind. Try asking Jesus the answer to a complicated math equation you can't possibly solve without a calculator. You already know what will happen, you will die waiting for the answer just like you will die waiting for him to come back. So Jesus sucks at math and doesn't care who is elected Pope or the bible is a myth, you can decide for yourself.
I think it's hilarious that this retired popes only job will be prayer but he couldn't get a prayer answered for himself! It's common for people to live to be in the 100-120 year old range but the pope had to retire from a life long position because the mythical sky fairy didn't answer his prayers for good health. When he prays that all of his fellow Christians will refrain from molesting children, prayer denied! When a Christian gets caught doing something that bad do you think they actually believe in the bible god?
Your so called proof is beset by assumptions and thus does not constitute proof at all. We've been praying every day for several weeks that the Holy Spirit guide the cardinals in the selection of the Pope. It is not at all unreasonable to suspect that some cardinals are indeed guided by the Holy Spirit, some are not and for some the Holy Spirit is like the wind;

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth.

or a dream;

In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction.

Peace be with you.
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#78 Mar 16, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Gee man, I'm really sorry I didn't respond to your comment but by the time I got done working on may neighbor's teeteing porch, he lost his foot a couple weeks ago, you should know that by now, and prayed the Stations of the Cross at the home of a member of the congregation, your comment was already eight hours old and since you hadn't commented in the meanwhile I kinda figured you had died and gone to heaven.
Anyway, thanks for the battery lesson. All your battery musings were totally irrelevant, however to 'The Miracle of the Dead Battery'. Tell me, when you calibrate your voltmeters and gages are your standards traceable to the National Bureau of Standards or not?
God bless you.
I was very busy but today is Saturday so I had some free time. I have no idea what your talking about " a missing foot" why did god take his foot, was he bad? Can you pray for god to give it back if he is really sorry? I'm only required to keep one multi meter (Fluke 187) and one oscilloscope certified but I have a fluke 179 and an old analog Beckman multi, push button function generator and all kinds of stuff that I never use anymore.

What does that have to do with a simple car battery, all you need is common sense right? Nothing I said was irrelevant, that's why you ignored it all right? I didn't ignore anything in your post did I? If you make miraculous claims you should expect someone will call you out on it right? So since you think my points are irrelevant why not go back to the start and answer everyone. I promise I will respond to each and every point you make honestly like I have tried to do so far.
Popeisajoke

Charlotte, NC

#79 Mar 16, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Your so called proof is beset by assumptions and thus does not constitute proof at all. We've been praying every day for several weeks that the Holy Spirit guide the cardinals in the selection of the Pope. It is not at all unreasonable to suspect that some cardinals are indeed guided by the Holy Spirit, some are not and for some the Holy Spirit is like the wind;
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth.
or a dream;
In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction.
Peace be with you.
So the holy spirit selected the Pope through multiple votes much the same way as he would if he was imaginary. Okay, but if the holy spirit finally does select a Pope why does the Pope himself still not have the holy spirit, just like if he was imaginary? So like I said, go back and answer all my points and if you prove me wrong at the end of this thread I will make a public apology. Okay

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#80 Mar 16, 2013
Popeisajoke wrote:
<quoted text>I was very busy but today is Saturday so I had some free time. I have no idea what your talking about " a missing foot" why did god take his foot, was he bad? Can you pray for god to give it back if he is really sorry? I'm only required to keep one multi meter (Fluke 187) and one oscilloscope certified but I have a fluke 179 and an old analog Beckman multi, push button function generator and all kinds of stuff that I never use anymore.
What does that have to do with a simple car battery, all you need is common sense right? Nothing I said was irrelevant, that's why you ignored it all right? I didn't ignore anything in your post did I? If you make miraculous claims you should expect someone will call you out on it right? So since you think my points are irrelevant why not go back to the start and answer everyone. I promise I will respond to each and every point you make honestly like I have tried to do so far.
He's definitely an unrepentent heathen but why he lost his foot I know not. It's none of my business. What is my business is I must love my neighbor, heathen or not, so I'm fixing up his stuff.

........totally irrelevant to "The Miracle of the Dead Battery".

I did describe "The Miracle of the Dead Battery" shortly after it happened. Maybe someone remembers and will tell you about it. Personally, I think you're just a waste of time.

I love you.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#81 Mar 16, 2013
nc resident wrote:
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There are no billions of dollars in most diocese. The parishoners collections pay for most of individual parish costs supplemented by the diocese. You have some odd notions as to wealthy Catholics.
Come off it, the Catholic church has vast material wealth. I live in Ireland and church attendance here is very high and thousands of pounds are dropping on to the collection plate each week. The Vatican too has many art treasures as thinking alluded to when he suggeted they sold a Raphael to compensate victims of clerical sexual abuse. I am an atheist, but I have many Catholic friends and they are disgusted at the way their church has dragged its feet over the child abuse scandal. They were certainly not impressed with the previous pope's handling of the scandal and are now waiting to see how this new pope sets about clearing up the mess. I for one won't hold my breath!

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