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Matthew 22:24; What does this say to you about Judeo-Christianity?

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#1 Jun 27, 2014
Greetings,

"...Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." Matt. 22:24, KJV

I was reading this verse this morning. I'm not an agnostic anymore but I am not a Christian, and I was curious what others might think about Matt. 22:24. Does it sound weird to anyone else that a prophet of God allegedly said that if a married man without children dies, his brother is to marry his widow?

What if anything does this verse say to you about Judeo-Christianity?

Peace & Love,
nunnies
the goddess

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#2 Jun 27, 2014
nunnies wrote:
Greetings,
"...Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." Matt. 22:24, KJV
I was reading this verse this morning. I'm not an agnostic anymore but I am not a Christian, and I was curious what others might think about Matt. 22:24. Does it sound weird to anyone else that a prophet of God allegedly said that if a married man without children dies, his brother is to marry his widow?
What if anything does this verse say to you about Judeo-Christianity?
Peace & Love,
nunnies
The New Testament is merely damage control for Jehovah revealing himself as anything but the God of Love in the Old Testament. He found that not all men were women haters like He was/is. He had to provide scriptures to make himself appear as loving humans. He did not want humans or anything else to be created.

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#3 Jun 28, 2014
nunnies wrote:
Greetings,
"...Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." Matt. 22:24, KJV
I was reading this verse this morning. I'm not an agnostic anymore but I am not a Christian, and I was curious what others might think about Matt. 22:24. Does it sound weird to anyone else that a prophet of God allegedly said that if a married man without children dies, his brother is to marry his widow?
What if anything does this verse say to you about Judeo-Christianity?
Peace & Love,
nunnies
well, it says to me that you're taking a verse out of context.

Marriage at the Resurrection

23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 “Teacher,” they said,“Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”

29 Jesus replied,“You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at his teaching.
Cisco Kid

Jamestown, CA

#4 Jun 28, 2014
nunnies wrote:
Greetings,
"...Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." Matt. 22:24, KJV
I was reading this verse this morning. I'm not an agnostic anymore but I am not a Christian, and I was curious what others might think about Matt. 22:24. Does it sound weird to anyone else that a prophet of God allegedly said that if a married man without children dies, his brother is to marry his widow?
What if anything does this verse say to you about Judeo-Christianity?
Peace & Love,
nunnies
You are taking the verse out of context and trying to make it apply to Christians, it does not.

Matt.22:24-‘If a man dies…his brother’: this is known as the “law of the levirate,” from the Latin levir,“brother-in-law.”
Its purpose was to continue the family line of the deceased brother

(See Dt 25:5-7).
"When brothers live together and one of them dies without a son, the widow of the deceased shall not marry anyone outside the family; but her husband’s brother shall come to her, marrying her and performing the duty of a brother-in-law.

The firstborn son she bears shall continue the name of the deceased brother, that his name may not be blotted out from Israel.

But if a man does not want to marry his brother’s wife, she shall go up to the elders at the gate and say,“My brother-in-law refuses to perpetuate his brother’s name in Israel and does not intend to perform his duty toward me.”

Thank you Lord Jesus for freeing me from The Law!

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#5 Jun 30, 2014
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You are taking the verse out of context and trying to make it apply to Christians, it does not.
Matt.22:24-‘If a man dies…his brother’: this is known as the “law of the levirate,” from the Latin levir,“brother-in-law.”
Its purpose was to continue the family line of the deceased brother
(See Dt 25:5-7).
"When brothers live together and one of them dies without a son, the widow of the deceased shall not marry anyone outside the family; but her husband’s brother shall come to her, marrying her and performing the duty of a brother-in-law.
The firstborn son she bears shall continue the name of the deceased brother, that his name may not be blotted out from Israel.
But if a man does not want to marry his brother’s wife, she shall go up to the elders at the gate and say,“My brother-in-law refuses to perpetuate his brother’s name in Israel and does not intend to perform his duty toward me.”
Thank you Lord Jesus for freeing me from The Law!
Well, Paul said that we can still do the law, Paul or James or one of the Apostles (but that we have to do it 100%.) Forgive me but I will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow. Sounds sick, no offense meant.

And no Sir I did not take the verse out of context.

Peace.
nunnies
Cisco Kid

Jamestown, CA

#6 Jun 30, 2014
nunnies wrote:
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Well, Paul said that we can still do the law, Paul or James or one of the Apostles (but that we have to do it 100%.) Forgive me but I will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow. Sounds sick, no offense meant.
And no Sir I did not take the verse out of context.
Peace.
nunnies
What's to forgive?

I also will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow.

So don't convert Jewish, get baptised in the real deal, we Catholics welcome you and I'll leave the light on for you at The Church that Jesus built.
Just walk toward the light.

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#7 Jul 1, 2014
Cisco Kid wrote:
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What's to forgive?
I also will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow.
So don't convert Jewish, get baptised in the real deal, we Catholics welcome you and I'll leave the light on for you at The Church that Jesus built.
Just walk toward the light.
Lol, no Paul (or one of the other Apostles) said we can still do the law but that it must be done 100%. In that statement Paul is endorsing the law (a man must marry his brother's widow lol.)

I think it can't be denied. It should just be accepted that Paul said that...I was saying that I would not join Christianity if Paul endorses the law that a man must marry his brother's widow.

Peace,
nunnies
Cisco Kid

Jamestown, CA

#8 Jul 1, 2014
nunnies wrote:
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Lol, no Paul (or one of the other Apostles) said we can still do the law but that it must be done 100%. In that statement Paul is endorsing the law (a man must marry his brother's widow lol.)
I think it can't be denied. It should just be accepted that Paul said that...I was saying that I would not join Christianity if Paul endorses the law that a man must marry his brother's widow.
Peace,
nunnies
You should research that basis for your conjecture.
In Galatians 3 Paul is not endorsing The Law but making the point that Christians a free from the curse of The Law,

"10 For all who depend on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written,“Cursed be everyone who does not persevere in doing all the things written in the book of the law.”
11 And that no one is justified before God by the law is clear, for “the one who is righteous by faith will live.”.......

13 Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law ....."

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#9 Jul 2, 2014
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You should research that basis for your conjecture.
In Galatians 3 Paul is not endorsing The Law but making the point that Christians a free from the curse of The Law,
"10 For all who depend on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written,“Cursed be everyone who does not persevere in doing all the things written in the book of the law.”
11 And that no one is justified before God by the law is clear, for “the one who is righteous by faith will live.”.......
13 Christ ransomed us from the curse of the law ....."
No that's not the Scripture that I had in mind. Paul or one of the Apostles said that we can still do the law and that it must be done comepletely. I will look for it and get back to you.

Peace.
nunnies
Cisco Kid

Jamestown, CA

#10 Jul 2, 2014
nunnies wrote:
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No that's not the Scripture that I had in mind. Paul or one of the Apostles said that we can still do the law and that it must be done comepletely. I will look for it and get back to you.
Peace.
nunnies
Please do; with book, chapter and verses.
Dominus vobiscum

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#11 Jul 18, 2014
Cisco Kid wrote:
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What's to forgive?
I also will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow.
So don't convert Jewish, get baptised in the real deal, we Catholics welcome you and I'll leave the light on for you at The Church that Jesus built.
Just walk toward the light.
Greetings Cisco Kid,

Matt. 5:17-19, NKJV:

"(17)'Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.(18)For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.(19)Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.'"

Here Sir, Jesus is saying that all of the law can be done, so it looks like you are a member of a religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow.
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#12 Jul 18, 2014
nunnies wrote:
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Well, Paul said that we can still do the law, Paul or James or one of the Apostles (but that we have to do it 100%.) Forgive me but I will not be a member of any religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow. Sounds sick, no offense meant.
And no Sir I did not take the verse out of context.
Peace.
nunnies
"marry" as in take care of lol

Not "marry" as in todays sense where you go to a wedding chapel
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#13 Jul 18, 2014
AAAM wrote:
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Greetings Cisco Kid,
Matt. 5:17-19, NKJV:
"(17)'Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.(18)For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.(19)Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.'"
Here Sir, Jesus is saying that all of the law can be done, so it looks like you are a member of a religion that endorses a man having to marry his brother's widow.
Its not marriage as in todays sense. Its "marriage"as in looking after.

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#14 Jul 18, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Its not marriage as in todays sense. Its "marriage"as in looking after.
It's marriage as in today's sense. Deut. 25:5-7, which is the law that Matt. 22:24 refers to says:

"(5)If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.(6)And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.(7)And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother."

If he is going to "go in unto" his brother's widow, they must be betrothed or else they are fornicating and making children out of wedlock.
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#15 Jul 18, 2014
AAAM wrote:
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It's marriage as in today's sense. Deut. 25:5-7, which is the law that Matt. 22:24 refers to says:
"(5)If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.(6)And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.(7)And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother."
If he is going to "go in unto" his brother's widow, they must be betrothed or else they are fornicating and making children out of wedlock.
You do know that "marriage" in their day was simply "going into" a woman and making her his wife?

Genesis 24:67
Then Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and he took Rebekah, and she became his wife, and he loved her; thus Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

This verse isnt telling people to "marry" as in todays sense. Its telling people to look after the woman. And if the woman wants children, to not go to a stranger to have them but to go to the brother (who has the same bloodline as the husband that died) to have children.

No matter how much you try to force fit it to todays sense, it doesnt fit. Because marriage wasnt something that was about going to a church and then getting a license from the state like it is today. It was a very simple process at least from what the bible lets on

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#16 Jul 19, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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You do know that "marriage" in their day was simply "going into" a woman and making her his wife?
Genesis 24:67
Then Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and he took Rebekah, and she became his wife, and he loved her; thus Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.
This verse isnt telling people to "marry" as in todays sense. Its telling people to look after the woman. And if the woman wants children, to not go to a stranger to have them but to go to the brother (who has the same bloodline as the husband that died) to have children.
No matter how much you try to force fit it to todays sense, it doesnt fit. Because marriage wasnt something that was about going to a church and then getting a license from the state like it is today. It was a very simple process at least from what the bible lets on
It's fornicating if they don't enter the marriage bond, so yes it does mean marriage in today's sense. It would also mean procreating "bastard" children if there is no marriage bond.

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#17 Jul 19, 2014
Peace,

I wont be posting anymore. The One True God has caused me or allowed me to see that I shouldn't talk the way that I do. By the "One True God" I mean the God of Elijah Muhammad and Louis Farrakhan, Who is the God of the Bible and Holy Qur'an. I am NOT a Muslim however.

Peace.
nunnies
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#18 Jul 19, 2014
nunnies wrote:
Peace,
I wont be posting anymore. The One True God has caused me or allowed me to see that I shouldn't talk the way that I do. By the "One True God" I mean the God of Elijah Muhammad and Louis Farrakhan, Who is the God of the Bible and Holy Qur'an. I am NOT a Muslim however.
Peace.
nunnies
You may not be a Muslim but you ARE very confused.
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#19 Jul 19, 2014
AAAM wrote:
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It's fornicating if they don't enter the marriage bond, so yes it does mean marriage in today's sense. It would also mean procreating "bastard" children if there is no marriage bond.
Q: Who gave the law?

A: God Almighty.

Q: So if God Almighty gave that commandment in Deut. 25 why would He then consider it fornication and punish the person for following the commandment?

A: He wouldnt.

So with these things understood, I think its fair to NOT call it fornication. I mean you might, but then again you are not God Almighty (and neither am I)
Flygerian

Fort Worth, TX

#20 Jul 19, 2014
Cisco Kid wrote:
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You ARE very confused.
It could be worse. He could have been catholic

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