Space aliens creation vs god creation

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“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#1 Dec 23, 2012
Same thing no difference at all.

No really both same pretty much the same thing. Both use Bible as proof. Both support intelligence design.

Both use old cave painting to support there cause.

alien creationist have a small advantage being able to also use other ancient religious text as evidence.
LGK

UK

#2 Dec 23, 2012
I think you missed something. Aliens, if they exist are in the universe; God is not. A god that's in the universe & subject to laws of nature is not worth worshiping.

Out of interest, can you give evidence on which we can reasonably conclude that aliens exist?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#3 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
Same thing no difference at all.
No really both same pretty much the same thing. Both use Bible as proof. Both support intelligence design.
Both use old cave painting to support there cause.
alien creationist have a small advantage being able to also use other ancient religious text as evidence.
I don't believe aliens created earth, critters, shrubs, etc.......... but who's to say earth hasn't been visited? One of the earliest forms of communication were pictorials before writing and some of the pictorials do appear to indicate something from the stars and quite different in appearance from the hunter gatherer.
LGK

UK

#4 Dec 23, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe aliens created earth, critters, shrubs, etc.......... but who's to say earth hasn't been visited? One of the earliest forms of communication were pictorials before writing and some of the pictorials do appear to indicate something from the stars and quite different in appearance from the hunter gatherer.
What do you make of Ooparts?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#5 Dec 23, 2012
LGK wrote:
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What do you make of Ooparts?
I think Oopart does carry some weight when it comes to trying to explain artifacts in places where the technology wasn't available, especially concerning primitive humans.
LGK

UK

#6 Dec 23, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>I think Oopart does carry some weight when it comes to trying to explain artifacts in places where the technology wasn't available, especially concerning primitive humans.
I agree. Ooparts demonstrate that the history of Man & earth as conventionally told is not true. Beings existed before us that were either equally or even more technologically advanced. Who or what they were is another story. I don't know but am loathe to say aliens in the extra-terrestial sense.

Here's something I'm not sure what to make of. What do you think?

It's a book was written in 1898 about a ship called the Titan whose name, purpose & fate spookily resembles the Titanic. I don't buy coincidence as an explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck_of_the_Ti...

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#7 Dec 23, 2012
LGK wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Ooparts demonstrate that the history of Man & earth as conventionally told is not true. Beings existed before us that were either equally or even more technologically advanced. Who or what they were is another story. I don't know but am loathe to say aliens in the extra-terrestial sense.
Here's something I'm not sure what to make of. What do you think?
It's a book was written in 1898 about a ship called the Titan whose name, purpose & fate spookily resembles the Titanic. I don't buy coincidence as an explanation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck_of_the_Ti...
I'm not sure, but I'm just taking a wild far out guess, that he may have looked into the future through his own accident and saw the ship and could only make out the word "Titan" from "Tatanic".

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

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#8 Dec 23, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe aliens created earth, critters, shrubs, etc.......... but who's to say earth hasn't been visited? One of the earliest forms of communication were pictorials before writing and some of the pictorials do appear to indicate something from the stars and quite different in appearance from the hunter gatherer.
I don't think space aliens created the earth either. Natural processes formed the earth.
Where the space aliens come into play is all the genetic transformation half animal half man. That is what Isaiah 13:21 talks about.
Nephilims not angels but genetically modified organisms engineered by aliens.
15TH Century Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino has a UFO in the background.
http://www.crystalinks.com/maryufoclose.jpg
Cave painting the world over has paintings of space craft and beings in space suits.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts....
Bible UFO sightings
Zechariah 5:1-2 ESV
Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me,“What do you see?” I answered,“I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”
flying scroll space ship.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufo1465.jpg
Ezekiel 1:1-28 ESV / 23 helpful votes
In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
Ezekiel 1:16
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#9 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think space aliens created the earth either. Natural processes formed the earth.
Where the space aliens come into play is all the genetic transformation half animal half man. That is what Isaiah 13:21 talks about.
Nephilims not angels but genetically modified organisms engineered by aliens.
15TH Century Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino has a UFO in the background.
http://www.crystalinks.com/maryufoclose.jpg
Cave painting the world over has paintings of space craft and beings in space suits.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts....
Bible UFO sightings
Zechariah 5:1-2 ESV
Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me,“What do you see?” I answered,“I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”
flying scroll space ship.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufo1465.jpg
Ezekiel 1:1-28 ESV / 23 helpful votes
In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
Ezekiel 1:16
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
We're on the same page, Jammercolo. I've read many books on the subject and I think the ancients witnessed UFO's and explained what they saw with the limited vocabulary they had. Fiery chariots, bright fiery wheels, flying scrolls, etc..........seems to be descriptions of UFO's to me.

Also, the Arc of the Covenant, which just so happened to go poof out of history, seems to have been some kind of communication device too. Why would some god need a box to communicate through and the receiver wearing reflecting and protecting breast plates and clothes? Because he's not a god. Moses is another example of witnessing something too. Loud sounds, rumbling, bright lights and Moses glowing and grey after 40 days up on a mountain. Sounds like Moses had an encounter and got a dose of radiation.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#10 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think space aliens created the earth either. Natural processes formed the earth.
Where the space aliens come into play is all the genetic transformation half animal half man. That is what Isaiah 13:21 talks about.
Nephilims not angels but genetically modified organisms engineered by aliens.
15TH Century Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino has a UFO in the background.
http://www.crystalinks.com/maryufoclose.jpg
Cave painting the world over has paintings of space craft and beings in space suits.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts....
Bible UFO sightings
Zechariah 5:1-2 ESV
Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me,“What do you see?” I answered,“I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”
flying scroll space ship.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufo1465.jpg
Ezekiel 1:1-28 ESV / 23 helpful votes
In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
Ezekiel 1:16
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
Here's some puzzling discoveries and interesting reading:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_PumaPunku....

Also:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...

Enjoy

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#11 Dec 23, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>We're on the same page, Jammercolo. I've read many books on the subject and I think the ancients witnessed UFO's and explained what they saw with the limited vocabulary they had. Fiery chariots, bright fiery wheels, flying scrolls, etc..........seems to be descriptions of UFO's to me.
Also, the Arc of the Covenant, which just so happened to go poof out of history, seems to have been some kind of communication device too. Why would some god need a box to communicate through and the receiver wearing reflecting and protecting breast plates and clothes? Because he's not a god. Moses is another example of witnessing something too. Loud sounds, rumbling, bright lights and Moses glowing and grey after 40 days up on a mountain. Sounds like Moses had an encounter and got a dose of radiation.
Hundreds of cave painting and carvings of clearly humanoid beings in space suits and UFO. The bible has them alone with most every text from around the world from ancient civilizations.Add to that all the huge structures build by ancient civilizations around the world all sitting on power transfer lines of earths natural gravity grid has to open ones mind to there being something to this.
IMO the best part is still no need for supernatural beings. It's a win win.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#12 Dec 23, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's some puzzling discoveries and interesting reading:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_PumaPunku....
Also:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...
Enjoy
Yeah,Puma Punku is really cool. Give me a time machine and it is places like this that I would go to first.
Sola Scriptura

Huntington, WV

#13 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
Same thing no difference at all.
No really both same pretty much the same thing. Both use Bible as proof. Both support intelligence design.
Both use old cave painting to support there cause.
alien creationist have a small advantage being able to also use other ancient religious text as evidence.
You been watching Ancient Aliens? lol
Sola Scriptura

Huntington, WV

#14 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think space aliens created the earth either. Natural processes formed the earth.
Where the space aliens come into play is all the genetic transformation half animal half man. That is what Isaiah 13:21 talks about.
Nephilims not angels but genetically modified organisms engineered by aliens.
15TH Century Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino has a UFO in the background.
http://www.crystalinks.com/maryufoclose.jpg
Cave painting the world over has paintings of space craft and beings in space suits.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientastronauts....
Bible UFO sightings
Zechariah 5:1-2 ESV
Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! And he said to me,“What do you see?” I answered,“I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”
flying scroll space ship.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufo1465.jpg
Ezekiel 1:1-28 ESV / 23 helpful votes
In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the Chebar canal, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. On the fifth day of the month (it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin), the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the Chebar canal, and the hand of the Lord was upon him there. As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal. And from the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had a human likeness,
Ezekiel 1:16
This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
You don't know what you believe. lol
Sola Scriptura

Huntington, WV

#15 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
Same thing no difference at all.
No really both same pretty much the same thing. Both use Bible as proof. Both support intelligence design.
Both use old cave painting to support there cause.
alien creationist have a small advantage being able to also use other ancient religious text as evidence.
LMAO You'll completely reject scientific, archaelogical proof of the validity of Noahs flood ( http://now.msn.com/robert-ballard-says-noahs-... ) but will go off on a wild goose chase about aliens.

Just more proof of the atheists mantra,,ANYTHING BUT GOD.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#16 Dec 23, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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LMAO You'll completely reject scientific, archaelogical proof of the validity of Noahs flood ( http://now.msn.com/robert-ballard-says-noahs-... ) but will go off on a wild goose chase about aliens.
Just more proof of the atheists mantra,,ANYTHING BUT GOD.
You don't believe in a world wide Noah's flood just like me.

Wayne, I do believe their was a local flood and that it is highly probable what came to be the flood story in the bible.I also believe their is real history in the bible.It's just the stories in the bible were Hollywoodized with superstition and folklore.Like the book" The Da Vinci Code truth history and made up[ stuff.

I never said I believe in aliens only that I am open to them.No supernatural being is needed with aliens. They evolved on their own world by natural means.With their advanced technology early man would see them as gods (if they existed) that I have no doubt.
Sola Scriptura

Huntington, WV

#17 Dec 23, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't believe in a world wide Noah's flood just like me.
Wayne, I do believe their was a local flood and that it is highly probable what came to be the flood story in the bible.I also believe their is real history in the bible.It's just the stories in the bible were Hollywoodized with superstition and folklore.Like the book" The Da Vinci Code truth history and made up[ stuff.
I never said I believe in aliens only that I am open to them.No supernatural being is needed with aliens. They evolved on their own world by natural means.With their advanced technology early man would see them as gods (if they existed) that I have no doubt.
Two or three things you have wrong here.

No, I do NOT believe in a worldwide flood and neither does Ballard. He is just setting out to prove that Noahs flood DID happen and later on it was written down by MANY pagan religions, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The miracles DID happen. Jesus DID walk on the water and before you start, Horus and all the other mythological "messiahs" have been debunked, time and again and even most atheists debaters rarely bring them up anymore.

And what do you mean, no supernatural Being is needed in the case of aliens? Did they just magically "poof" into existence?

What it is, is, there is another dimension that we cannot see and RARELY experience. NDEs are just a piece of the puzzle. UFO's are real, the bible proves that but they are not from OUTER space but OUR UNSEEN space. Nothing exists beyond our atmosphere.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

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#18 Dec 23, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
Two or three things you have wrong here.
No, I do NOT believe in a worldwide flood and neither does Ballard. He is just setting out to prove that Noahs flood DID happen and later on it was written down by MANY pagan religions, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.
A flood happened.That much we agree on.
Epic of Gilgamesh clay tablets are far older then any known Noah's flood account. Plus way back then Christian had many pagan books they called there own floating around.
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
The miracles DID happen. Jesus DID walk on the water and before you start, Horus and all the other mythological "messiahs" have been debunked, time and again and even most atheists debaters rarely bring them up anymore.

Jesus walked on water. If he did it was a trick.
Criss Angel Walks on Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =sBQLq2VmZcAXX

Is Criss Angel a god or the son of a god?

[QUOTE who="Sola Scriptura"]<quoted text>
And what do you mean, no supernatural Being is needed in the case of aliens? Did they just magically "poof" into existence?
They evolved like life on earth did.
Sola Scriptura wrote:
<quoted text>
What it is, is, there is another dimension that we cannot see and RARELY experience. NDEs are just a piece of the puzzle. UFO's are real, the bible proves that but they are not from OUTER space but OUR UNSEEN space. Nothing exists beyond our atmosphere.
The country of India is full of NDE only using other gods. So do you believe in the god of India?

What is all the stuff the Hubble space telescope takes pictures of if nothing exist beyond our atmosphere? I take it you also don't believe man has walked on the moon?

If UFO are real whats in them? In your option.
LGK

Welshpool, UK

#19 Dec 24, 2012
Earth Child 1 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure, but I'm just taking a wild far out guess, that he may have looked into the future through his own accident and saw the ship and could only make out the word "Titan" from "Tatanic".
I’m not sure I can agree humans have the capability to look into the future (or the past). We haven’t got the sensory equipment for starters. But it can get even more complicated. For example, does the future even exist to be looked into granting appropriate sensory devices exist?

I don’t know what to make of Titan but sometimes I’m tempted to say this: The Titanic was planned, someone was just playing out the script. They are taking the p.ss. Sick? Yes. Wacko? Very. These words come to mind,“In a world of universal deceit, the truth is a revolutionary idea.” Anyway thanks for hazarding a guess, I haven’t got a clue.
LGK

Welshpool, UK

#20 Dec 24, 2012
Earth Child 1 & Jammercolo
I agree with you both that there seems to be evidence of the activity of non-human players in history. You both call them aliens. I am unwilling to make the leap to therefore extra-terrestrial aliens.

What we have is evidence of activity, not evidence of the actor(s) themselves – the act, not the actor. In criminal investigation they call this actus reus i.e. objective element of a crime but not who done it.

If aliens who done it we need evidence of aliens & I say that’s missing. If you’ve got it, I’d be interested if not only for curiosity’s sake.(Killed the cat?). I believe in God and in the same way people have every reason to ask me for evidence!

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