The Promise of 'Eternal Life'

The Promise of 'Eternal Life'

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little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#2 Aug 11, 2013
Scripture states his salvation will be revealed in the last period of time...

Which means that working out our own salvation with fear and trembling means ' seeking the Kingdom of God' and Peter tells us there is a few things we must pursue to find the entrance

" Supply to your FAITH , virtue, to your virtue knowledge, to your knowledge, self control , to your self control endurance, to your endurance , godly devotion, to your godly devotion , brotherly affection '

Scripture then says " If you keep doing these things, you will by no means ever fail in fact there will be richly supplied to you the entrance into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.."

“My name is Trunks...”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#4 Aug 11, 2013
Agreed. I can certainly agree with the notion of not wanting to die, but immortality would probably get boring fast.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#5 Aug 11, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
The Bible declares unequivocally that the Biblegod is "Eternal". Here's a few references:
Your throne was established long ago; you are from all eternity.- Psalm 93:2 NIV
Abraham planted a tamarisk in Beer-sheba, and called there on the name of Jehovah, the Eternal God.- Genesis 21:33
Before the mountains were born, before You gave birth to the earth and the world, from eternity to eternity, You are God.- Psalm 90:2
OKAY, okay,... if the biblegod were real, it's a given that he/she/it would have to be "ETERNAL!"
But what about everyone else?... Hmmm???... Can anyone else claim "eternal life?"
The Bible also says that Christians will have "eternal life", too!... Here's a few references:
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life (GR: aiōniou zōēs),...- John 3:36
Paul: My message is based on the confidence of eternal life (GR: aiōniou zōēs)....
God promised this eternal life (GR: aiōniou zōēs) before the world began.- Tit 1:2 GWT
Of course,... ALL humans must die,... and even Jesus died!... So, for them "eternal life" would simply be impossible,... Considering the meaning of the term:
Dictionary definition of 'eternal':
1.existing through all time: lasting for all time without beginning or end
2.unchanging: unaffected by the passage of time
3.seemingly everlasting: seeming to go on forever or recur incessantly
Synonyms: everlasting, undying, unending, perpetual, endless, ceaseless, timeless, interminable, infinite, immortal, never-ending;
Therefore,... since everybody dies they fail to meet to criteria for having "eternal life".... i.e., "existing through all time: lasting for all time without beginning or end".... ALSO,... they fail to qualify synonymously,... as noted above.
And so, dear friends,...
Yet, ONCE AGAIN (for oh so many countless times to be told!), the Bible flat-out lies to us with false hopes and promises!!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Yeah, it does seem impossible that mankind could achieve eternal life.

Something like that would take a miracle.

Like Jesus Christ resurrecting himself from the tomb.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#6 Aug 11, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
Agreed. I can certainly agree with the notion of not wanting to die, but immortality would probably get boring fast.
Learn to serve others then you won't worry about others keeping you from getting bored.

Peace of The Lord be with you.
Apologetics

Van Nuys, CA

#8 Aug 12, 2013
Most false religions are close to Christianity. The are demon inspired and created to make you think you have gained eternal life so you won't consider the one true God. Remember this. God doesn't need your consideration. Many are called but few are CHOSEN. God's sovereign will decides who goes to heaven.

“be free indeed”

Since: Jul 09

massachusetts

#9 Aug 13, 2013
Hardie Har-Har you said:
Yet, ONCE AGAIN (for oh so many countless times to be told!), the Bible flat-out lies to us with false hopes and promises!!

If you chose to attend every week this August thru the fall months a good church that teaches that eternal life is received by trusting in Jesus as providing the full payment for your sins on the cross - and going to a Bible study group from this church during that time and actively investigate these claims of eternal life by seeing how this belief affects the people you interact with ---then you will see whether the Bible lies with its promises or not.

Ready to take the challenge?
TheCapedCrusader

Torrance, CA

#10 Aug 13, 2013
true liberty wrote:
Hardie Har-Har you said:
If you chose to attend every week this August thru the fall months a good church that teaches that eternal life is received by trusting in Jesus as providing the full payment for your sins on the cross - and going to a Bible study group from this church during that time and actively investigate these claims of eternal life by seeing how this belief affects the people you interact with ---then you will see whether the Bible lies with its promises or not.
Ready to take the challenge?
For those involved, how would this eternal life work exactly? Are they given new bodies? If so are they the same age as the person when they died? Do the new bodies age? Where does everyone live and how do they pass the time? What about "reformed" criminals? Not all victims would want to meet up with them again, especially if they had been assaulted, raped, molested and so on. For example, would someone, assaulted as a child by a family member, want to meet up again with that family member when they both were dead?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#11 Aug 13, 2013
true liberty wrote:
Hardie Har-Har you said:
Yet, ONCE AGAIN (for oh so many countless times to be told!), the Bible flat-out lies to us with false hopes and promises!!
If you chose to attend every week this August thru the fall months a good church that teaches that eternal life is received by trusting in Jesus as providing the full payment for your sins on the cross - and going to a Bible study group from this church during that time and actively investigate these claims of eternal life by seeing how this belief affects the people you interact with ---then you will see whether the Bible lies with its promises or not.
Ready to take the challenge?
The idea that an omnipotent, omniscient god could be so offended by the actions of his own creations that he would require a blood sacrifice to appease his anger and then accept the murder of his son by the very creations that originally offended him as atonement for their offences and then require belief in this patently absurd scenario for eternal salvation goes against all normal rational thought and principles of morality.

“be free indeed”

Since: Jul 09

massachusetts

#13 Aug 15, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanx for your fundie-concern there, Liberty,... BUT,...
I'm not qualified to enter your (well-intended) "challenge"!
Qualities necessary to engage your above suggestions:
> Be a Dumb (mute) Lamb and Wear Sheepskin!...(I'm a Loud Wolf!)
> Be a Gullible Sponge Bob!...(I'm a Skeptic!)
> Be a Bible-Illiterate!...(I'm a Bible Scholar!)
> Be guilty of "Bible-Sin!" (I'm not! I've been Bible-Sin Freed!)
> Be in need of a Vicarious Savior!(I believe in "True Justice!")
> Be needing a "god" in my life!...(I can't go looking for such, since I wouldn't know how or where to begin. Your god obviously wants to remain incognito, and I respect his wishes. When and IF he ever should decide to come out of his closet then he knows how to find me and I'm sure he'd be so obvious that I/we will know it!)
> Be able to eat/enjoy your "Church's Fried Chicken!" ..(I can't!)
In contrast, Dear Liberty,...
Allow me to challenge you and all fundies to emerge from your dark falsehoods and old-tymie religious fantasies and be really FREE!!
Hardie-Har-Har!
That's OK I didn't think you'd decide to take up the challenge. But our cult doesn't eat fried chicken - just genetically modified hamburgers!:)

But kidding aside, I'm curious as to why you think God has remained incognito and hasn't come out of his closet??. Since you don't believe God has come to us in Jesus Christ, you won't find him elsewhere. Certainly not in Osiris who didn't die for our sins.

I'd certainly rather read the Bible's promises than research from the "believing world" book. Maybe you are more a scholar of that book than the Bible.
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#19 Aug 16, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
<quoted text>
Au Contraire, Mr. Liberty!,...
The Egyptian Religion (First Kingdom, pre-2500BCE) clearly
taught its flocks of sheep that "Osiris" was murdered, and
resurrected, and became their "Savior God!"
Understand, Mr. Liberty,... THAT:
"A lie will always be a lie, although a billion people believe it!...
The truth will always be the truth, although no one believes it!" - Stewart-Thompson
Hmmm???...
> How many Judaists are there?
> How many Catholics are there?
> How many Protestants are there?
> How many Muslims are there?
> How many (all lumped together) have there been?
"A LIE WILL ALWAYS BE A LIE,..."!!
"THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS BE THE TRUTH,..."!!
"Bind it about thy neck, write it upon the tablet of thy heart,'Everything of Christianity is of Egyptian origin."'—Rev. Robert Taylor, Oakham Gaol, 1829

I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.- Hos 13:4 KJV
Hmm?... The Prophet Hosea said that Biblegod (YHWH) originated as an Egyptian god!

Holy Moses,... How about THAT??!!
Hardie-Har-Har!
You either have a defective Bible or you simply don't understand what you read.

Hos.13:4-

"I, the LORD, am your God,
since the land of Egypt;
Gods apart from me you do not know;
there is no savior but me."

God used Moses to gather God's chosen people out of Egypt where some had fallen into worship of false gods.
Thus Hosea writes; "I, the LORD, am your God,
'SINCE' the land of Egypt"
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#21 Aug 16, 2013
Hardie-Har-Har wrote:
<quoted text>
I like you, Amigo,... for you always put my superior Bible knowledge to the test, as here!
Always remember, "A lie will always be a lie, although a billion people believe it!...
The truth will always be the truth, although no one believes it!" - Stewart-Thompson
..........
Aside from the mis-translation of Sisco's "NASB" and a few other "Agenda-Driven" fundie-translated Bibles, ALL the main bible translations render Hosea 13:4 as "FROM"!
King James Bible
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt; ...
English Standard Version
But I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt;
International Standard Version
"I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt;
King James 2000 Bible
Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt;
American King James Version
Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt;
American Standard Version
Yet I am Jehovah thy God from the land of Egypt;
Douay-Rheims Bible
But I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt:
Darby Bible Translation
Yet I am Jehovah thy God from the land of Egypt;
English Revised Version
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt;
Webster's Bible Translation
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt;
World English Bible
Yet I am Yahweh your God from the land of Egypt;
Young's Literal Translation
And I am Jehovah thy God from the land of Egypt!...
ETC., ETC., ETC.!!
Hardie-Har-Har!
Your boat has drifted out of the confluence of context, amigo..
Hosea is condemning King Ephraim, who became like the wandering Israelites of Exodus caught by Moses worshiping the golden calf.

Hosea the prophet is eulogizing the death of King Ephraim who had taken to worshiping false gods and causing Israel to sin.

Hos.13, 1-4 roughly-

"When Ephraim spoke there was terror;
he was exalted in Israel;
but he became guilty through Baal and died.

Now they continue to sin,
making for themselves molten images,
Silver idols according to their skill,
all of them the work of artisans.
“To these, offer sacrifice,” they say.
People kiss calves!

Therefore, they will be like a morning cloud
or like the dew that vanishes with the dawn,
Like chaff storm-driven from the threshing floor
or like smoke out of the window.

I, the LORD, am your God,
since the land of Egypt;"

http://usccb.org/bible/hosea/13

There is nothing there to support God as an Egyptian entity, although the Egyptians had plenty of chances to realize our God is their God.

"The truth will always be the truth, although no one believes it!" - Stewart-Thompson
Cisco Kid

Clements, CA

#23 Aug 17, 2013
Then let's take a comparative scripture reading to clear up the meaning of the Jews being reintroduced to God after worshipping false gods in Egypt.

Joshua 24:14-29

"Joshua gathered together all the tribes of Israel at Shechem,
and addressed them, saying:
“Fear the LORD and serve him completely and sincerely.
Cast out the gods your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt,
and serve the LORD.

If it does not please you to serve the LORD,
decide today whom you will serve,
the gods your fathers served beyond the River
or the gods of the Amorites in whose country you are dwelling.
As for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”

But the people answered,
“Far be it from us to forsake the LORD
for the service of other gods.
For it was the LORD, our God,
who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt,
out of a state of slavery.
He performed those great miracles before our very eyes
and protected us along our entire journey and among all the peoples
through whom we passed.
At our approach the LORD drove out all the peoples,
including the Amorites who dwelt in the land.
Therefore we also will serve the LORD, for he is our God.”

Joshua in turn said to the people,
“You may not be able to serve the LORD, for he is a holy God;
he is a jealous God who will not forgive
your transgressions or your sins.
If, after the good he has done for you,
you forsake the LORD and serve strange gods,
he will do evil to you and destroy you.”

But the people answered Joshua,“We will still serve the LORD.”

Joshua therefore said to the people,
“You are your own witnesses that you have chosen to serve the LORD.”
They replied,“We are, indeed!”

Joshua continued:
“Now, therefore, put away the strange gods that are among you
and turn your hearts to the LORD, the God of Israel.”
Then the people promised Joshua,
“We will serve the LORD, our God, and obey his voice.”

So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day
and made statutes and ordinances for them at Shechem,
which he recorded in the book of the law of God.
Then he took a large stone and set it up there under the oak
that was in the sanctuary of the LORD.
And Joshua said to all the people,“This stone shall be our witness,
for it has heard all the words which the LORD spoke to us.
It shall be a witness against you, should you wish to deny your God.”
Then Joshua dismissed the people, each to his own heritage."

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