Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#67 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
AGAIN the question is

Let me get this straight SO YOU believe that a muslim who denies Jesus came to die on the cross can get into heaven even without accepting Jesus as their Savior and believing on the death of Jesus?

If so then explain why the Bible says WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#68 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
Romans 10:9
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved

Funny the BIBLE disagrees with you a muslim CANNOT enter heaven UNLESS he confesses with his mouth that JESUS IS LORD and BELIEVES in their heart that God RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD then he will be saved.

Notice it gives REQUIREMENTS in order to be saved? Confess and Believe that God raised Jesus FROM THE DEAD and Muslims do NOT believe in Jesus death.

YOU REALLY need to learn the Bible and STOP listening to the man behind your wooden pulpit.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#69 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
AGAIN the question is
Let me get this straight SO YOU believe that a muslim who denies Jesus came to die on the cross can get into heaven even without accepting Jesus as their Savior and believing on the death of Jesus?
If so then explain why the Bible says WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins.
66. The Catechism of the Catholic Church further states, "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery. Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity." (C.C.C.# 1260)
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#70 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie,
Does NOT matter what the CC states cause the Bible shows us

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

It clearly shows you MUST confess JESUS IS LORD and you MUST believe in your heart God raised him FROM THE DEAD then you WILL be saved.

Muslims HAVE TO do this like everyone else does!!!!!
THEY have to believe JESUS was raised from the dead

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#71 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie,
Does NOT matter what the CC states cause the Bible shows us
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
It clearly shows you MUST confess JESUS IS LORD and you MUST believe in your heart God raised him FROM THE DEAD then you WILL be saved.
Muslims HAVE TO do this like everyone else does!!!!!
THEY have to believe JESUS was raised from the dead
Native,
God is not bound by the Bible, we are though.
God can pretty much do as He pleases in every way He wishes to use to reach every soul on earth, and there isn't anything you can do about it!
Did you really think God stopped His work and has been sitting around for 2,000+ years?
If so, then why isn't the whole world Christian by now? Do you REALLY think God is waiting around for folks to do HIS work for Him?
lol

It is our job to live OUR own life to please God, and this is sufficient TO God!

God is well aware that most of the world still doesn't believe or understand the gospel, if they have even heard it.
You make it sound as though God simply doesn't care.
I believe differently, and I go along with what Billy Graham said also. And, I go along with what my church says also.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#72 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie,
YOU are NOT getting it GOD will NOT contradict HIS word. He WILL NOT go against what the Bible says.
There is also NOTHING you can do about it UNLESS a MUSLIM becomes BORN AGAIN they will NOT SEE HEAVEN.
The Bible says NOT ALL will be Christian FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NETTIE READ THE BIBLE. It states in it that MANY will reject Christ.
You can go along with anyone you want that does NOT make them right. In the end times MANY will be deceived and you have proven that to be true. AGAIN, WITHOUT THE BLOOD there is NO remission of sins.
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Native,
God is not bound by the Bible, we are though.
God can pretty much do as He pleases in every way He wishes to use to reach every soul on earth, and there isn't anything you can do about it!
Did you really think God stopped His work and has been sitting around for 2,000+ years?
If so, then why isn't the whole world Christian by now? Do you REALLY think God is waiting around for folks to do HIS work for Him?
lol
It is our job to live OUR own life to please God, and this is sufficient TO God!
God is well aware that most of the world still doesn't believe or understand the gospel, if they have even heard it.
You make it sound as though God simply doesn't care.
I believe differently, and I go along with what Billy Graham said also. And, I go along with what my church says also.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#73 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
How can muslims be saved if they do NOT believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus? They even say that Jesus never died and the BIBLE says if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father.
"...if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father."

DENYING (Christ) and NOT BELIEVING (in Him) are two different things; they are NOT one and the same thing.

Since: Apr 07

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#74 Sep 17, 2012
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
"...if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father."
DENYING (Christ) and NOT BELIEVING (in Him) are two different things; they are NOT one and the same thing.
Native can't possibly understand that. She does her own interpretation of the Bible, with the help of her "Holy Spirit". It's a pity she has no clue as to what the "Holy Spirit" is and is not.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#75 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
AGAIN the question is
Let me get this straight SO YOU believe that a muslim who denies Jesus came to die on the cross can get into heaven even without accepting Jesus as their Savior and believing on the death of Jesus?
If so then explain why the Bible says WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins.
.

".... WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins.

"....WITHOUT the blood of Jesus YOU CANNOT enter heaven.

Romans 10:9
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

The Remission of Sins, Being Saved, and Being born-again in Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God are THREE DIFFERENT THINGS, NOT ONE SAME THING. You're using them interchangably, as if they're synonymous.
What's more, NONE of the three means TO ENTER HEAVEN, either!

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#76 Sep 17, 2012
I was taught that Jesus sacrificed His life for the remission of ORIGINAL sin. Why do these fringe fundies think just believing in Jesus negates ALL their sins in this life? I just don't get it.

Since: Dec 09

United States

#77 Sep 17, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
Native can't possibly understand that. She does her own interpretation of the Bible, with the help of her "Holy Spirit". It's a pity she has no clue as to what the "Holy Spirit" is and is not.
Ahhh, that's the beauty AND the irony of it. With The Holy Spirit ("the help of") she COULD understand!
Reality

Madison, WI

#78 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
It is YOU that cannot grasp that WITHOUT THE BLOOD applied to your heart and accepting Jesus as your SAVIOR and being born again NO ONE will enter heaven and God is NOT going to change things this is how he did it. YOU MUST ACCEPT HIS BLOOD SACRIFICE muslims DO NOT do this they reject Jesus on the cross.
I agree Jesus died for ALL, but the Bible says NOT ALL will receive him and some will REJECT him. God does NOT contradict himself and that is what you are saying he will DO for some. SORRY NETTIE you are WRONG. Either Muslims accept Jesus as their Savior or they will not be in heaven.
<quoted text>
Golly where to start???
1. The bible was written by man.

2. The Koran was written by man.

3. Your religion is no better than any other.

4. Your salvation is no more a lock than mine

5. You only can assume that your religion is correct, based on a book that man wrote

Since: Dec 09

United States

#79 Sep 17, 2012
tickedoffchic wrote:
I was taught that Jesus sacrificed His life for the remission of ORIGINAL sin. Why do these fringe fundies think just believing in Jesus negates ALL their sins in this life? I just don't get it.
Because they're eager to believe but don't yet understand?

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Location hidden

#80 Sep 17, 2012
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
Because they're eager to believe but don't yet understand?
That's a nice way of explaining it. I just always thought they were lazy and believed there is a easy way out. They have no accountability as long as they "believe".

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#81 Sep 17, 2012
Typo: a = an

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

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#82 Sep 18, 2012
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>I knew there was a reason I don't do door to door stuff.:)
I purchased some "No Cold Caller" signs off Ebay. They include stuff like charities, salesmen, utility companies, telephone and broadband suppliers, religious groups, etc. They appear to have reduced the number of people pestering me. Plus, I have rigged up a camera (inside) so I can see who is at the door. If they insist on knocking and I don't recognise them I just don't respond.

“so tell me......”

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#83 Sep 18, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
<quoted text>
I purchased some "No Cold Caller" signs off Ebay. They include stuff like charities, salesmen, utility companies, telephone and broadband suppliers, religious groups, etc. They appear to have reduced the number of people pestering me. Plus, I have rigged up a camera (inside) so I can see who is at the door. If they insist on knocking and I don't recognise them I just don't respond.
We had a sign like that and the first guy that knocked on the door after putting it up was trying to sell things from a holdall. I pointed to the sign and said "Can't you read?"
Turned out he really was illiterate.

I'll be sure not to knock on your door as a knee to the groin or knocked out teeth doesn't appeal LOL

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

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#84 Sep 18, 2012
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>We had a sign like that and the first guy that knocked on the door after putting it up was trying to sell things from a holdall. I pointed to the sign and said "Can't you read?"
Turned out he really was illiterate.
I'll be sure not to knock on your door as a knee to the groin or knocked out teeth doesn't appeal LOL
ROFLMHO. I used to respond to door knockers after I had put the signs up. I got stressed out with having to bite my tongue all the time. Having a camera allows me to check who is calling and only respond if I recognise them. Usually I just let them knock until they get bored.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#85 Sep 18, 2012
Janee
Yes it is the same thing. How can it NOT be the same thing? If someone denied your existence then they do NOT believe you existed. Jesus said IF YOU deny before men then he will deny you before the FATHER
What does the word deny mean? Deny means NOT to believe. It can also mean you refuse to ACCEPT.
Definition from the Dictionary says
[verb] refuse to accept or believe; "He denied his fatal illness"
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
"...if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father."
DENYING (Christ) and NOT BELIEVING (in Him) are two different things; they are NOT one and the same thing.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#86 Sep 18, 2012
ticked
I know what the Holy Spirit is. The Holy Spirit according to the Bible is our teacher, our comforter, someone who comes along side of. Maybe you should learn and stop trying to teach me something I been studing for years.
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
Native can't possibly understand that. She does her own interpretation of the Bible, with the help of her "Holy Spirit". It's a pity she has no clue as to what the "Holy Spirit" is and is not.

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