How to witness to non-believers

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#47 Sep 16, 2012
angelinaUK wrote:
<quoted text>I've never heard any of the Christian I know say "burn,burn,burn" and I've certainly never said it myself.
Multi million dollar churches? In England?
The Church group I'm with meet in a rented scout hut.
Try not to tar everyone with the same biased brush please.
Yeah, really. I never been in a church that cost more than $50,000.00-$75,000.00. I really don't think I would want to go to a church that was a multi-million dollar church. Thank God for small country churches.

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#48 Sep 16, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
How to witness to non-believers:
Do not say to them 'God loves you and so do I'.
Do not say to them 'Have you been saved'.
Do treat them/anyone actually with kindness and the deep down belief that God loves them just as much as you hope He loves you.
Do recognize that they might well be further along the path to God than you are, cause God works that way.
:)
In a 1997 interview with Robert Schulller, Graham said:

“He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.”

Roland_Deschain

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#49 Sep 16, 2012
IMHO "We would like to talk about saving your eternal soul" is a good opening line. It's punchy, direct and leaves no room for error. When someone says this to them a non-believer can be absolutely sure they are dealing with a complete nut-job.

So, next time you are out and about pestering people in the street or knocking on their doors (even if there are clear signs saying no cold callers) remember to be clear and precise in your message. It makes it much easier for non-believers to respond quickly, be it laughter / a cutting reply / a smack in the teeth / a knee to the groin / a dog to the throat / etc. It also makes your life easer. A quick reply gives you more time to move on to your next target...if you manage avoid any visits to casualty / intensive care.

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#50 Sep 17, 2012
Nettiebelle wrote:
How to witness to non-believers:
Do not say to them 'God loves you and so do I'.
Do not say to them 'Have you been saved'.
Do treat them/anyone actually with kindness and the deep down belief that God loves them just as much as you hope He loves you.
Do recognize that they might well be further along the path to God than you are, cause God works that way.
:)
Hi Nettie, how are things? I like the idea of trating non believers with kindness. But how can they be further down the path to God that believers?

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#51 Sep 17, 2012
full of typos! sorry

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#52 Sep 17, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
IMHO "We would like to talk about saving your eternal soul" is a good opening line. It's punchy, direct and leaves no room for error. When someone says this to them a non-believer can be absolutely sure they are dealing with a complete nut-job.
So, next time you are out and about pestering people in the street or knocking on their doors (even if there are clear signs saying no cold callers) remember to be clear and precise in your message. It makes it much easier for non-believers to respond quickly, be it laughter / a cutting reply / a smack in the teeth / a knee to the groin / a dog to the throat / etc. It also makes your life easer. A quick reply gives you more time to move on to your next target...if you manage avoid any visits to casualty / intensive care.
I knew there was a reason I don't do door to door stuff.:)

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#53 Sep 17, 2012
Yes, I would say example is very good > "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) And I would say not to try just to reach numbers of people, but be personal with each one, as much as this works. Because we want people to be family in Jesus with us; so be feeding this as our invitation. And yes there are ones who have been not treating people right; but God can overcome any bad reputation like this, with our right example (c: Actually, a number of people know better than to be fooled into assuming wrong ones represent Christianity. They can pick up the smell of fresh air when you show up (c:... unless their own smell is too strong.

I notice how Peter says a wife can reach a disobedient husband > "without a word", it says, in 1 Peter 3:1-4.

But this includes, "rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4) This "incorruptible beauty of" God's love has us pleasing to Him, while also the power almighty of His love can be spreading to effect her man to become the same way. So, our example needs to be in the sight of God, and not just our showing and telling what we dictate is "Christian" (c:

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#54 Sep 17, 2012
One thing, here, is that people can say what they really have to say. So, this means we can share whatever we really want to share with other people. And though ones may not be able to understand what we offer or they may misrepresent what we mean, still there are our guest readers who may not ever write with us, but they read what we write and they can benefit from what we offer and how we relate.

It says,

"'So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
. It shall not return to Me void,
. But it shall accomplish what I please,
. And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.'"
(Isaiah 55:11)

So, God's word will do all that He pleases ... not only how well we understand it, but what He pleases is what He Himself is able to understand His word to mean!(c: And so, yes there are ones who are trying to make it look like no one can get straight about what God's word means, but He Himself will make sure His message does all that He means!(c:

So, it does not matter how wrong people try to make it look like you are getting nowhere with them (c:

Jesus had people misrepresenting Him, but this did not keep Him from succeeding.

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#55 Sep 17, 2012
Pilgrim_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Nettie, how are things? I like the idea of trating non believers with kindness. But how can they be further down the path to God that believers?
Here is one of the reasons I believe this:

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION
PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION ONE
MAN'S VOCATION LIFE IN THE SPIRIT

CHAPTER ONE
THE DIGNITY OF THE HUMAN PERSON

ARTICLE 6
MORAL CONSCIENCE

1776 "Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment.... For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God.... His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths."47

I. THE JUDGMENT OF CONSCIENCE

1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.
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#56 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
If Graham DID say this then he was WRONG. The Bible says clearly unless they REPENT and come to saving knowledge of Jesus Christ they will NOT be in heaven. If they do NOT know the name of Jesus then they are NOT born again. The Bible says only member of Christ is those who receive Jesus as the atonement for their sins.
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>In a 1997 interview with Robert Schulller, Graham said:
“He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.”

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#57 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
If Graham DID say this then he was WRONG. The Bible says clearly unless they REPENT and come to saving knowledge of Jesus Christ they will NOT be in heaven. If they do NOT know the name of Jesus then they are NOT born again. The Bible says only member of Christ is those who receive Jesus as the atonement for their sins.
<quoted text>
Acts 4:12 says merely that salvation comes through Jesus Christ, and that anyone who is saved,
is saved by Christ and his life-giving sacrifice on the Cross. They may or may not explicitly know Christ, but it is Christ who, in his grace, accepts their prayers and devotion and saves them from their sins. Hence, if any Muslim is saved, he is saved by Christ; so as well with any Jew or pagan.
The Catholic position on salvation of non-believers is that it is possible for those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of Christ and His Church to be saved if they seek God, responding to his grace, and faithfully follow the dictates of their conscience. Explicating this from Scripture would take a whole book but for a start, look at John 9:41, which says,

'Jesus said,“If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains." '

paragraphs 846-848 of the Catechism states:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

[Lumen Gentium 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.]

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.
[Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Denzinger-Schonmetzer 3866-3872.]

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
http://www.askacatholic.com/_WebPostings/Answ...

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#58 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
If Graham DID say this then he was WRONG. The Bible says clearly unless they REPENT and come to saving knowledge of Jesus Christ they will NOT be in heaven. If they do NOT know the name of Jesus then they are NOT born again. The Bible says only member of Christ is those who receive Jesus as the atonement for their sins.
<quoted text>
Billy Graham did say that
I can post the link to the video so you can listen for yourself, if you want.
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New Holland, PA

#59 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
A muslim can be saved ONLY if they accept Jesus as their Savior and MOST muslims deny that Jesus died on the cross so they will NOT be saved if they deny this.
That is the problem the church teaches BUT WHAT DOES THE BIBLE teach? Jesus said WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins. So unless they apply the blood they cannot be saved..
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Acts 4:12 says merely that salvation comes through Jesus Christ, and that anyone who is saved,
is saved by Christ and his life-giving sacrifice on the Cross. They may or may not explicitly know Christ, but it is Christ who, in his grace, accepts their prayers and devotion and saves them from their sins. Hence, if any Muslim is saved, he is saved by Christ; so as well with any Jew or pagan.
The Catholic position on salvation of non-believers is that it is possible for those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of Christ and His Church to be saved if they seek God, responding to his grace, and faithfully follow the dictates of their conscience. Explicating this from Scripture would take a whole book but for a start, look at John 9:41, which says,
'Jesus said,“If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains." '
paragraphs 846-848 of the Catechism states:
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
[Lumen Gentium 14; cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5.]
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.
[Lumen Gentium 16; cf. Denzinger-Schonmetzer 3866-3872.]
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
http://www.askacatholic.com/_WebPostings/Answ...
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#60 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
Please do post video because if he did say that like you are saying HE IS TEACHING A FALSE BELIEF. Jesus said without the BLOOD there is NO REMISSION of sins.
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Billy Graham did say that
I can post the link to the video so you can listen for yourself, if you want.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#61 Sep 17, 2012
How can muslims be saved if they do NOT believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus? They even say that Jesus never died and the BIBLE says if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father.

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#62 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
How can muslims be saved if they do NOT believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus? They even say that Jesus never died and the BIBLE says if you deny ME before men he will deny you before the Father.
Guess you don't really believe John 3:16 after all.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#63 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
Why lie? I do believe in John 3:16 that God loves EVERYONE, but I also believe WITHOUT the blood of Jesus YOU CANNOT enter heaven and the Bible teaches this. NO MUSLIM, NO HINDU, NO ONE, will enter heaven unless they accept Jesus as their Savior and the BIBLE says this. God is NOT going to let anyone in even who has REJECTED his Son as the ransom for their sins.
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Guess you don't really believe John 3:16 after all.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#64 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
Let me get this straight SO YOU believe that a muslim who denies Jesus came to die on the cross can get into heaven even without accepting Jesus as their Savior and believing on the death of Jesus?

If so then explain why the Bible says WITHOUT the blood there is NO remission of sins.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#65 Sep 17, 2012
Native from Pa wrote:
Nettie
Why lie? I do believe in John 3:16 that God loves EVERYONE, but I also believe WITHOUT the blood of Jesus YOU CANNOT enter heaven and the Bible teaches this. NO MUSLIM, NO HINDU, NO ONE, will enter heaven unless they accept Jesus as their Savior and the BIBLE says this. God is NOT going to let anyone in even who has REJECTED his Son as the ransom for their sins.
<quoted text>
Jesus died for all of mankind, and God works in His own way, not yours, to bring as many as possible TO Him because He wishes all to be WITH Him.
And, the sacrifice of Jesus made this possible.
Sorry you can't grasp this.
Native from Pa

New Holland, PA

#66 Sep 17, 2012
Nettie
It is YOU that cannot grasp that WITHOUT THE BLOOD applied to your heart and accepting Jesus as your SAVIOR and being born again NO ONE will enter heaven and God is NOT going to change things this is how he did it. YOU MUST ACCEPT HIS BLOOD SACRIFICE muslims DO NOT do this they reject Jesus on the cross.
I agree Jesus died for ALL, but the Bible says NOT ALL will receive him and some will REJECT him. God does NOT contradict himself and that is what you are saying he will DO for some. SORRY NETTIE you are WRONG. Either Muslims accept Jesus as their Savior or they will not be in heaven.
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus died for all of mankind, and God works in His own way, not yours, to bring as many as possible TO Him because He wishes all to be WITH Him.
And, the sacrifice of Jesus made this possible.
Sorry you can't grasp this.

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