How to witness to non-believers
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#21 Jun 30, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
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Yup, it could, but usually

----->>> those incidents only happen because the person you asked has been approached the wrong way too many times in the past.

I wonder if churches ever educate their members on the Biblical ways of witnessing prior to sending the members out. Most of what I see on here is not at all Biblical, and yet those behaving contrary to scripture seem to feel since they include scripture or are paraphrasing scripture they are "doing good". I have to wonder who educated them on the methods they use?
I suggest you mull that sentence over a few thousand times...it speaks volumes...

Its the old definition of insanity...repeating something over and over and expecting differing outcomes.

Plus after your stating the above, what would lead you to believe YOU think you have the correct approach?
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#22 Jun 30, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
Many seem confused on what is expected of Christians in regard to interactions/witnessing with non-believers.
First off we are forbidden from judging a non-believer; hence, IMO we are forbidden from correcting a non-believer since correction only comes after judgement.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But [a]actually, I wrote to you not to associate [b]with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God [c]judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves.
I found what seems to be a pretty good site on a Biblical way to witness ones testimony for Christ to non-believers. Thought I would share it and see if it clears up any confusion on the issue:
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/k-lee7/www/iccf/00/...
Why is it whenever I read these sites, etc - I come away thinking that being a Xtian is more like learning a skill? That its more a HOW TO do X - in this case attract more Xtians - than a PERSONAL Spiritual means to explore ones own path....?

Xtian in general need to do tons more PERSONAL work before they go out evangelizing. Its like a first week Apprentice going off and teaching their craft like they're a multi-decade practiced Master.

Plus it makes it sound like there's some secret formula to attracting nonbelievers. Like we're bugs and there's an Xtian pheromone you can spray that will seduce us to fly into your porch lite. FYI, there aint!

Be a humble, try to be good, relatively moral, think before you act and speak, obey the civil laws, don't make up your facts, keep your Personal relationship with your God personal for the most part, dont hurt dogs or children, eat and consume all goods in moderation, look both ways, pay attention to the world around you - you're not alone in the world, be a good citizen of the planet, clean up after yourself no matter where you are - and what you believe in your off-time wont matter too much at all.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#23 Jun 30, 2012
When will Xtianity ever truly become a PERSONAL journey and not what it historically appears to be most about - a means to declare oneself morally superior, and appoint oneself judge in order to force change on others you deem in the way of your (collectively and individually) being the better Xtian?

Most (99.5%) Xtians should totally and immediately forget all about the world around them and beyond - and FOCUS ALL their attention on themselves - for a serious amount of time. And not a week after being "born again" (saved, etc, etc) go off evangelizing.
Punisher

Bronxville, NY

#24 Jun 30, 2012
To my post above - Xtianity would do well to take the example of Belief systems like Buddhism, where they actually try to change themselves first, where there is long and often intensive personal evaluation, contemplation and serious education - before they go off preaching, etc...

One need not go so far to be a Monk, or one in training...but more like seeing the NEED for PERSONAL change on many if not all levels before one deems themselves worthy to preach, etc...

But that's not what we see in Xtianity. What we see way too often currently and thru history is the constant move from, "Hey I found Jesus today!" to "And tomorrow I start telling others how to live!"

IMO, in order for Xtianity to truly catch up to its rhetoric it needs to institute a serious means to INCLUDE deep and long contemplation and study within most of its ranks. Otherwise it will never truly grow out of its own legacy of arrogance, presumption and downright vile attitudes and behaviors that is its history.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

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#26 Jun 30, 2012
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, not really as it ASSUMES the other person needs your POV in their life. The old "have you accepted the Lord as your personal...savior." Tells me that your judging me in NEED of saving.
I sincerely hope you dont ever open up with that line ? Its condescending, intrusive and judgmental.
I do not. I have what I believe are fairly rare views on witnessing. I believe Christians were called to witness to those who had not heard the good news message yet. In today's mass media world, I find it difficult to believe anyone over the age of 13 in the US and many other countries have not heard the good news message. Consequently, I witness 99% only to those who bring the subject up first.

Personally, I believe witnessing by actions in today's times is far more effective than mere talk. When you live as Christ commands, I find many people will bring the subject up with me. I try to insure my actions speak for themselves.

I do not believe I necessarily have "the" correct way or the only way to witness. I do adamantly believe many I have seen here are using an entirely un-Biblical method that does far more harm, to all involved, than good. Maybe my title should have been more how not to witness to non-believers.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

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#27 Jun 30, 2012
-Seen-Is-Awesome- wrote:
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But THAT is the main appeal of Christianity, That evil people can be as evil as they want, and not only STILL get into Heaven, but also use Christianity and the book of lies to hate and act evilly towards their fellow man and do it all in the name of their "god".
Maybe for some, not for all is all I can say. To me, those that believe they can behave any way they wish are a serious detraction to Christianity.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

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#29 Jun 30, 2012
Punisher wrote:
To my post above - Xtianity would do well to take the example of Belief systems like Buddhism, where they actually try to change themselves first, where there is long and often intensive personal evaluation, contemplation and serious education - before they go off preaching, etc...
One need not go so far to be a Monk, or one in training...but more like seeing the NEED for PERSONAL change on many if not all levels before one deems themselves worthy to preach, etc...
But that's not what we see in Xtianity. What we see way too often currently and thru history is the constant move from, "Hey I found Jesus today!" to "And tomorrow I start telling others how to live!"
IMO, in order for Xtianity to truly catch up to its rhetoric it needs to institute a serious means to INCLUDE deep and long contemplation and study within most of its ranks. Otherwise it will never truly grow out of its own legacy of arrogance, presumption and downright vile attitudes and behaviors that is its history.
Bringing oneself in line with Christ's teaching is an integral part of accepting Christ. I do not tend to believe the get the log out your eye verse is stating fix your one identical sin prior to correcting another. I tend to believe it is more about getting oneself in-line with Christ (as much as possible) before attempting to correct another Christian. It is very sad to me when people say they have accepted Christ, yet they blatantly reject his teachings and commandments.

I am no where near perfect, but I do *try* to live as I understand Christ commanded every day. Many of the days I am not on here is because I feel I am not in a position personally to be on topix. Topix requires much patience and self-control.
FSM

Armadale, Australia

#32 Jul 1, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
Whatever happened to 'lead by example'.
I have employed the services of a cleaner who just happens to be the wife of a Christian pastor. She once told me a story of how a shop undercharged her, which she gladly accepted and interpreted as a blessing from god. The other week I was working on my car quietly in the garage when she arrived, and I timed how long she spent cleaning. I paid her for 2 hours, yet she finished up within 70 minutes.

It wont be long til she's going to feel the wrath of an antichrist and get her @ss fired. Too many Christians have a 'child of the king' mentality.

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#33 Jul 2, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>I have employed the services of a cleaner who just happens to be the wife of a Christian pastor. She once told me a story of how a shop undercharged her, which she gladly accepted and interpreted as a blessing from god. The other week I was working on my car quietly in the garage when she arrived, and I timed how long she spent cleaning. I paid her for 2 hours, yet she finished up within 70 minutes.
It wont be long til she's going to feel the wrath of an antichrist and get her @ss fired. Too many Christians have a 'child of the king' mentality.
For every one who would think being undercharged is a blessing from God there is another who would go back and pay the correct amount. If I notice I have been undercharged I go back and rectify the matter. I once bought a set of 6 glass dessert dishes fro a store and when I got home I found I had only been charged for one. I went back the next day and offered the money for the other 5 dishes. The woman at the counter acted like I was crazy for being honest but I felt I had to do it.
FSM

Armadale, Australia

#34 Jul 7, 2012
angelinaUK wrote:
For every one who would think being undercharged is a blessing from God there is another who would go back and pay the correct amount. If I notice I have been undercharged I go back and rectify the matter. I once bought a set of 6 glass dessert dishes fro a store and when I got home I found I had only been charged for one. I went back the next day and offered the money for the other 5 dishes. The woman at the counter acted like I was crazy for being honest but I felt I had to do it.
I once went back to a shop because they accidentally charged me nothing for an item. I think that there's probably an equal number of believers and non-Christians who would do the same.

That really isn't the point of my story though. The point is that there's a minority of believers who think they deserve special privileges because they're children of the King.

It's the same mentality which is used by those who manipulate and re-interpret bible verses to justify whatever is on their heart, whether it be judgmentalism or even terrorism.

I don't really pay much attention to those whose words are consistent with their actions. It's mostly hypocritical people who annoy me. That's where Christians are often their worst enemies. If someone is going to talk the talk, I think we should expect them to walk the walk.

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

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#35 Jul 7, 2012
FSM wrote:
<quoted text>I once went back to a shop because they accidentally charged me nothing for an item. I think that there's probably an equal number of believers and non-Christians who would do the same.
That really isn't the point of my story though. The point is that there's a minority of believers who think they deserve special privileges because they're children of the King.
It's the same mentality which is used by those who manipulate and re-interpret bible verses to justify whatever is on their heart, whether it be judgmentalism or even terrorism.
I don't really pay much attention to those whose words are consistent with their actions. It's mostly hypocritical people who annoy me. That's where Christians are often their worst enemies. If someone is going to talk the talk, I think we should expect them to walk the walk.
You should expect that they will walk the walk. Christ commands them to walk the walk, and they should expect of themselves to walk the walk.

Hope your weekend is shaping up to be great.
FSM

Armadale, Australia

#36 Jul 7, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
You should expect that they will walk the walk. Christ commands them to walk the walk, and they should expect of themselves to walk the walk.
I don't expect anything of Christians that I wouldn't expect of a non-Christian. All I expect is that people act in a manner consistent with their spoken and/or written words. The particular Christian I was discussing told me she had a problem with the music at a wedding, unfortunately I can't remember the exact song right now, because it didn't fit with her Christian ideas of right and wrong. Lol.
Seriously__ wrote:
Hope your weekend is shaping up to be great.
It's been great, thanks. I hope yours is good also.:)

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#37 Jul 7, 2012
Seriously__ wrote:
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Hopefully nothing :). Some have simply lost their way for one reason or another. We are to witness with our actions as much or more than with our words. We are to live a life of peace, love and joy such that others want what we have. Here is one of the quotes from that site I rather like:
"A testimony is something we say that bears witness (points to) what we actually live out."
You are so right!

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

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#40 Jul 7, 2012
-Seen-Is-Awesome- wrote:
<quoted text>
Geez...
Did you have to say that so loud and frequently?
Now my dog wants me to bring him for a walk...
Thanks for nothin!
Walk, walk, walk,:D hehehe. I hear walking is good for yours and his health and a great bonding experience. At least it is cooler now than if you read it at 2pm *smile*.

Please, enjoy your weekend and your walk!

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#41 Jul 8, 2012
Punisher wrote:
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Why is it whenever I read these sites, etc - I come away thinking that being a Xtian is more like learning a skill? That its more a HOW TO do X - in this case attract more Xtians - than a PERSONAL Spiritual means to explore ones own path....?
Xtian in general need to do tons more PERSONAL work before they go out evangelizing. Its like a first week Apprentice going off and teaching their craft like they're a multi-decade practiced Master.
Plus it makes it sound like there's some secret formula to attracting nonbelievers. Like we're bugs and there's an Xtian pheromone you can spray that will seduce us to fly into your porch lite. FYI, there aint!
Be a humble, try to be good, relatively moral, think before you act and speak, obey the civil laws, don't make up your facts, keep your Personal relationship with your God personal for the most part, dont hurt dogs or children, eat and consume all goods in moderation, look both ways, pay attention to the world around you - you're not alone in the world, be a good citizen of the planet, clean up after yourself no matter where you are - and what you believe in your off-time wont matter too much at all.
Your comment is both insightful and hilarious. And you’re right -it’s true - many Christians do act like they think being a Christian is all about getting non-believers to convert by telling them what God will do to them if they don’t believe!
england 2012

UK

#42 Jul 12, 2012
I'm a confirmed atheist and am unshakeable in my disbelief. When I read Christians joyfully saying Burn,burn, burn it pretty much sums up some of the backwards dross who cling to the god myth, the only exception for me is the Salvation Army,they walk the talk and look after the poor & homeless. Some of you Christians in your multi million dollar churches are just liars, and fools

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#43 Jul 12, 2012
england 2012 wrote:
I'm a confirmed atheist and am unshakeable in my disbelief. When I read Christians joyfully saying Burn,burn, burn it pretty much sums up some of the backwards dross who cling to the god myth, the only exception for me is the Salvation Army,they walk the talk and look after the poor & homeless. Some of you Christians in your multi million dollar churches are just liars, and fools
I've never heard any of the Christian I know say "burn,burn,burn" and I've certainly never said it myself.

Multi million dollar churches? In England?
The Church group I'm with meet in a rented scout hut.
Try not to tar everyone with the same biased brush please.
Metsastajatyyppi

Oulu, Finland

#44 Sep 16, 2012
I, 6, hope, am still alife... and no one on idliaring says even "we need to do only 2 day work/year... etc", because everyone on higher political loyality position is doing it only to themselves, which means...
Reality

Madison, WI

#45 Sep 16, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
'Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?' is always a good ice-breaker.
First I have to find him. Man that guy can hide

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#46 Sep 16, 2012
How to witness to non-believers:

Do not say to them 'God loves you and so do I'.
Do not say to them 'Have you been saved'.

Do treat them/anyone actually with kindness and the deep down belief that God loves them just as much as you hope He loves you.
Do recognize that they might well be further along the path to God than you are, cause God works that way.

:)

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