Christianity is absurd
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1046 May 19, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Language is an amazing thing..because in the west even though we speak the same language..its sometimes hard to understand cockney ..or the huge broad accents of the Scots..
I believe that God scattered them..not because he was afraid..but because they were commanded to ' go and multiply'
Instead they were frightened and tried to find protection and security for themselves in a 'city' and building a tower..they actually said ' Let us make a name for ourselves'
Cities are mans way of trying to feel secure with food and water. and amenities..all the things man originally had in the garden of Eden.....
it was Cain that built the first city, as he lost his sense of security , and tried to make it for himself...
The more man becomes a city slicker, the more he loses touch with his environment..and thinks milk and food comes from a super market as his waste.. pollutes the land that produces his food.
"The Lord said,'If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.'”

If you take it literally "God" was afraid that they would become too powerful.

I take it metaphorically as example of the power of a common language which enables human beings to accomplish tremendous goals when working collectively and the difficulties presented when we do not have a viable means of communicating with each other.

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US 62 @ US 81

#1047 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
“Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.…Then they said,“Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens…” But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. The Lord said,“If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.” Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”- Genesis 11:1-7
If you take that story as being literally true you end up with the absurdity that an omnipotent “God” was AFRAID that “His” creations would become “His” equal.
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This does not say that God was afraid of anything. Not wanting something is not the same being afraid.

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#1048 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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And did Herodotus also write that “God” confused the language of the builders of the "Temple of Zeus Belus" because “He” was AFRAID they would become omnipotent like ”Himself”?
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Did he? When did he supposedly write all this?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1050 May 19, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
<quoted text>
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This does not say that God was afraid of anything. Not wanting something is not the same being afraid.
Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use “He” did not like the idea that “nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them”, which would make them “His” equal. Absurd!
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1051 May 19, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
<quoted text>
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Did he? When did he supposedly write all this?
Herodotus (440 BCE) wrote about a ziggurat, which he called the "Temple of Zeus Belus" which little lamb apparently believes is the Tower of Babel. Little lamb brought it up not me.

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Since: Mar 11

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#1052 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use “He” did not like the idea that “nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them”, which would make them “His” equal. Absurd!
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Not wanting something is NOT the same as "Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use" The text you quoted said nothing about the people at the tower bing God's equal.
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What is absurd is you interjecting all your "Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use" into the text.

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#1053 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Herodotus (440 BCE) wrote about a ziggurat, which he called the "Temple of Zeus Belus" which little lamb apparently believes is the Tower of Babel. Little lamb brought it up not me.
Etemenanki (Sumerian: "temple of the foundation of heaven and earth") was the name of a ziggurat dedicated to Marduk in the city of Babylon. It was famously rebuilt by the 6th-century BC Neo-Babylonian dynasty rulers Nabopolassar and Nebuchadnezzar II.

The Greek historian Herodotus (440 BC) later wrote of this ziggurat, which he called the "Temple of Zeus Belus", giving an account of its vast dimensions.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1054 May 19, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
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Not wanting something is NOT the same as "Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use" The text you quoted said nothing about the people at the tower bing God's equal.
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What is absurd is you interjecting all your "Fear, jealousy, spitefulness whatever base human emotion you want use" into the text.
“nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them”

If nothing is impossible they would be omnipotent.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1056 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Herodotus (440 BCE) wrote about a ziggurat, which he called the "Temple of Zeus Belus" which little lamb apparently believes is the Tower of Babel. Little lamb brought it up not me.
The people were trying to escape a future flood or a second judgment from God by building a tower that would reach to heaven. Also, in the pre deluvian world, everybody spoke the same language, Hebrew.

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#1057 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
“nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them”
If nothing is impossible they would be omnipotent.
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Have you ever heard of hyperbole?

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#1058 May 19, 2013
PrinceofDarknessakaGOD wrote:
The Biblical God is NOT pro-life, he advocates child murder, infanticide, child abuse and abortion:
I see so many retarded ass Christians talking about abortion being a crime against God. It’s not a wonder that they are hard pressed to find a conclusive biblical statement to corroborate their position. In their determination to control women they have been forced to rely on exceedingly weak sections such as “thou shall not kill”,”I kneweth thou in the womb” and their favorite:“When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth...“--Exodus 21:22-24 The problem here is that the man who injures a pregnant woman in the process, shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted on her, not the fetus. I am often dumbfounded at how Christians can assume that abortion is wrong judging by these feeble verses when the Bible clearly advocates infanticide and many other atrocities against children and pregnant women. I can no longer allow such ignorance of the Bible and deem it necessary to expose the true agenda. I am tired of the many young Christians who are brainwashed by their clergy. They are only taught the “love and mercy” parts of the Bible and never bother to read what is not so openly preached . The Church thrives off of speaking in half truths and concealing their blood soaked robes. Of course my job as preacher of an Atheist parish is to give a sermon about those things that the Bible TRUTHFULLY commands. Here they are, god’s views on the unborn, the actions of righteous men” and god’s commands of infanticide and child abuse:(note-There are Torah verses in this list but I will not attack the Jewish faith for being pro-life since they are not rampant advocates of the matter.)
Abortion:
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention.“Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
Numbers 31:17 (Moses)“Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?
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More twisting of scripture by another semi-literate atheASSt.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1059 May 19, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
<quoted text>
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Have you ever heard of hyperbole?
Yes and you can't take hyperbole literally.
little lamb

Australia

#1060 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Herodotus (440 BCE) wrote about a ziggurat, which he called the "Temple of Zeus Belus" which little lamb apparently believes is the Tower of Babel. Little lamb brought it up not me.
Here is some other interesting points about the Tower of Babel ..

QUOTE..
Hammurabi apparently tore down most of the original
structure

, then Nabopolassar in about 600 BC began to
rebuild the Tower in dedication to the god Marduk.
Marduk, or Mero
-

Nebuchadnezzar, Nabopolassar's son, fully
restored the Tower
and built a palace complex around it.

Nebuchadnezzar's restoration
in turn was
eventually
taken
down by Xerxes.

Alexander the Great later cleared away
much of the rubble, possibly because he intended to reconstruct
the Tower himself. Alexander died before he could carry out
his plans,

but the ruins as they remained thewere unearthed
by Koldewey a century ago"

Another interesting fact , was that Saddam Hussein intended to rebuild the TOWER as well..

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#1061 May 19, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
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More twisting of scripture by another semi-literate atheASSt.
Your rebuttals suck.

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#1062 May 19, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The people were trying to escape a future flood or a second judgment from God by building a tower that would reach to heaven. Also, in the pre deluvian world, everybody spoke the same language, Hebrew.
There were no Hebrews before the flood.
Abraham was the first patriarch of the Hebrews. As the story goes, he was called out of his homeland, by God to start the Hebrew nation. No one spoke Hebrew for a looong time after the flood. Please check the history of the Hebrew nation.

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#1063 May 19, 2013
"Akkadian Akkadian language (liš&#257;num akkad&#299;tum)

Akkadian was a semitic language spoken in Mesopotamia (modern Iraq and Syria) between about 2,800 BC and 500 AD. It was named after the city of Akkad and first appeared in Sumerian texts dating from 2,800 BC in the form of Akkadian names.

The Akkadian cuneiform script was adapted from Sumerian cuneiform in about 2,350 BC. At the same time, many Sumerian words were borrowed into Akkadian, and Sumerian logograms were given both Sumerian and Akkadian readings. In many ways the process of adapting the Sumerian script to the Akkadian language resembles the way the Chinese script was adapted to write Japanese. Akkadian, like Japanese, was polysyllabic and used a range of inflections while Sumerian, like Chinese, had few inflections.

A large corpus of Akkadian texts and text fragments numbering hundreds of thousands has been excavated. They include mythology, legal and scientific texts, correspondence and so on. During the 2nd millenium BC the Akkadian language developed into two variants, Assyrian and Babylonian, in Assyria and Babylon.

Akkadian became the lingua franca of the ancient Near East, but started to be replaced by Aramaic by the 8th century BC. After that it continued to be used mainly by scholars and priests and the last known example of written Akkadian dates from the 1st century AD."
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/akkadian.htm

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Hebrew is a member of the Canaanite group of Semitic languages. It was the language of the early Jews, but from 586 BC it started to be replaced by Aramaic. By 70 AD use of Hebrew as an everyday language had largely ceased, but it continued to be used for literary and religious functions, as well as a lingua franca among Jews from different countries.

During the mid-19th century the first efforts were made to revive Hebrew as a everyday language. One man who played a major role in these efforts was Eliezer Ben Yehuda (1858-1922), who was the first to make exclusive use of Hebrew in his home, and encouraged the use of Hebrew among others, as well as its use in schools.

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"The first alphabet used to write Hebrew emerged during the late second and first millennia BC. It is closely related to the Phoenician alphabet. The modern Hebrew alphabet was developed from an alphabet known as Proto-Hebrew/Early Aramaic."
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US 62 @ US 81

#1064 May 19, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and you can't take hyperbole literally.
<><
But you have to be able to recognize hyperbole, and other Hebrew figures of speech, and unless you read Hebrew and have a good knowledge of Jewish history, which you don't, you don't know the difference. As you have clearly shown.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#1065 May 19, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
<quoted text>
There were no Hebrews before the flood.
Abraham was the first patriarch of the Hebrews. As the story goes, he was called out of his homeland, by God to start the Hebrew nation. No one spoke Hebrew for a looong time after the flood. Please check the history of the Hebrew nation.
I didn't say there was an Israel or Hebrew nation, I in essence said they spoke a semitic language, today called Hebrew. Beginning with Adam and Eve they spoke something. Adam comes from the Hebrew adamah which means "out of the ground".
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#1067 May 20, 2013
Allen Richards wrote:
<quoted text>
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But you have to be able to recognize hyperbole, and other Hebrew figures of speech, and unless you read Hebrew and have a good knowledge of Jewish history, which you don't, you don't know the difference. As you have clearly shown.
You have to be able to recognize fantastic stories that are not meant to be taken as being literally true. They contain a lot of hyperbole, allegory and just plain farfetched things, but they do convey a message.

In ancient times people did not sit down after their day’s work and flick on the TV or open a good book they sat around a fire listening to and telling stories. The elders used allegory as a means of conveying the knowledge they had gained through their experiences because of its power to illustrate complex ideas and concepts in ways that are easily understandable. Allegory or hyperbole taken as literal truth becomes absurdity.

"Yes, indeed, I take the Bible too seriously to take it all literally" --Madeleine L'Engle

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#1068 May 20, 2013
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to be able to recognize fantastic stories that are not meant to be taken as being literally true. They contain a lot of hyperbole, allegory and just plain farfetched things, but they do convey a message.[/QUOTE}
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Bulk wrap!
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[QUOTE]In ancient times people did not sit down after their day’s work and flick on the TV or open a good book they sat around a fire listening to and telling stories.
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True! But then the bulk wrap begins.
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The elders used allegory as a means of conveying the knowledge they had gained through their experiences because of its power to illustrate complex ideas and concepts in ways that are easily understandable. Allegory or hyperbole taken as literal truth becomes absurdity.
<><
That some figurative language was used on some occasions is not license to dismiss the entire Bible as allegory/hyperbole.
<><
When a parent tells a disobedient child, "If you don't behave, I'm going to knock you into next week." The child knows that is not literally true but he does know that something very unpleasant and likely painful is going to happen.
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"Yes, indeed, I take the Bible too seriously to take it all literally" --Madeleine L'Engle
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Ah yes the ubiquitous irrelevant quote.

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