Christianity is absurd
OKAY

United States

#228 May 7, 2013
connie wrote:
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i'm connie, nice to meet you
how did you want us to answer, under our own name or under one name, what would make you feel comfortable
sorry, that our little community has more then one person
that has more opinions
now, just to let you know,
we have formed a little circle and they will start to comment on this forum
now, would you like if they use my name or my friend mztza
we'll let you decide, if that makes you feel better ok
Welcome Morristown!
OKAY

United States

#229 May 7, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Why does your God need to respond by torturing people eternally? Why not just let them go their own way and live their lives without God -- unless and until they change their minds and want to come BACK to give loving God a second chance?(Cf. God's original, eternal covenant with Israel. Plus, cf. the parable of the Prodigal Son.
Why ask why? The boundaries were set thousands of years ago.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#234 May 7, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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Why ask why? The boundaries were set thousands of years ago.
1.) We ought to use the brains your God supposedly gave us, not shut them off. Are you saying that non-denom fundamentalist Christianity is for not-very-bright people who never ask questions?

2.) All you know about the supposed "boundaries" is what your parents and Pastor Billy Bob have told you -- all of whom are MEN, by the way.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#235 May 7, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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Why ask why? The boundaries were set thousands of years ago.
the truth is always infinitely more than anyone can have
IOW, you cannot speak for God and His Judgment of anyone

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#237 May 7, 2013
BEELZEBUBlives wrote:
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you mean your imaginary god of which you have zero evidence or proof of existence.... you cannot speak for the tooth fairy, Easter BUnny or Big Foot either...same goes for Superman and Iron Man...
I believe in God through faith, not fact, hon.
All Christians do.
I don't have to prove that God exists in order to BELIEVE that He exists.

LEAVE THE TOOTH FAIRY ALONE!
connie

Mesa, AZ

#238 May 7, 2013
OKAY wrote:
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Welcome Morristown!
why your welcomed,
come and visit, we'll introduce you all, to our circle of believers
i'm sure, you'll enjoy our little town, and the beautiful sunset in the desert
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#240 May 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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It's hard to do that when you're a fictional character.
Then why didn't those who 'invented' him write it in?

Why didn't the 'inventors' have him save himself from crucifixion then overpower his executioners?

It would have been so much easier to gain converts.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#241 May 7, 2013
WHY DON'T CHRISTIANS INVENT CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE, if, as some believe, they forged later non-Biblical references to him and his followers?

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#242 May 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
For several reasons:
1. The Path of Salvation
There is no consistent Christian account of how humans are supposed to be saved, although this is of the utmost practical urgency. It is absurd that the aim of Christianity is human salvation and yet Christian doctrine does not make clear how this is achieved. Indeed, there are conflicting ideas of salvation suggested by the creeds, the gospels and Paul's letters. For example, one view of salvation presented in the Synoptic Gospels is that a person is saved by following a moral code. A second view, one maintained by Paul, John, and the Creeds, is that a person is saved by having faith in Jesus. In other words, the first path to salvation seems to be through works, whereas the second path to salvation is by faith alone.
2. The Concept of Heaven
Despite the fact that going to Heaven is the primary goal of Christianity and is held up as an end of infinite desirability, the idea of Heaven is deeply problematic both conceptually and ethically. Again this strikes me as absurd. And again it should be noted that I am not assuming the falsehood of Christianity. Even if the major doctrines of Christianity were true, it is incongruous and unreasonable that Heaven has a central place in the Christian scheme of things and yet its nature is so problematic.
a. Conceptual Difficulties
First there are conceptual difficulties with Heaven. To begin with the notion of human existence in Heaven - be it disembodied or embodied - is conceptually unintelligible. In the most common theory of our heavenly existence the immaterial soul of a human being - not the body - goes to Heaven shortly after his or her death. In this interpretation Heaven is considered "a place" although not in time and space. In a second theory - one that many scholars believe is the original Christian view - Heaven does not exist now but will exist in the future with the Second Coming. With the Second Coming people's bodies will be resurrected in an altered form but will be rewarded in the space in which we now live.
b. Moral difficulties
Heaven seems unfair no matter how one views it. According to the standard view of Heaven, some people are sent there as a reward for something they do in their earthly existence and some people are not. On a second view Heaven is a gift of God that is completely unmerited--some people receive it and some do not. On a third universalistic view everyone eventually goes to Heaven.
Consider the unmerited gift view first. A father who bestowed unmerited gifts on some of his children and not on others would be considered unjust and arbitrary. Surely much the same thing could be said about God if He were to act in a similar way. But suppose we accept the standard view that going to Heaven is based on merit. It still seems unfair. Suppose that Heaven is a reward for belief, for example in Jesus as the Savior. Millions of people through no fault of their own have never heard of Jesus or at least have not been exposed to Scripture. These people's failure to believe is hardly grounds for not going to Heaven.
With respect to the first theory it is difficult enough to imagine even in a rough way what disembodied existence would be like in time and space. How would a soul move from place to place? How would it recognize other souls? What would disembodied souls do all day long since presumably there would be no need to sleep? The problem becomes insuperable when it is combined with the idea that Heaven is outside of space and time. All of our mental concepts--for instance, thinking, willing, and desiring--are temporal notions that take time to perform and occur at some particular time. Nontemporal thinking and desiring are inconceivable. Yet on this variant, souls think and desire nontemporally.
FALSE....

Since: Feb 10

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#243 May 7, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
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Then why didn't those who 'invented' him write it in?
Why didn't the 'inventors' have him save himself from crucifixion then overpower his executioners?
It would have been so much easier to gain converts.
See, this is why you're an idiot.

The creators of the Jesus myth saw that Mithraism was hugely popular and took all the elements from it and claimed the same things of Jesus: the virgin birth, the star foretelling the birth, the visit from the Magi, the miracles, the death by crucifixion, the resurrection and the ascension back into the heavens.

Those elements were necessary to convert the Mithraists and others to Christianity.

I've explained this to you over and over but you still don;t get it.

I would recommend some books to you but you'll denounce them and never read them - and that's why i know you really don;t believe your God exists.

If your faith was deep you would have no problem reading anything that countered the claims of Christianity. You would feel secure in the knowledge that your God loved you too much to let you stray.

But you are afraid to read ANYTHING that challenges your beliefs, either because your faith is weak or you don't believe your God loves you. Or, and this is probably the most likely scenario, deep down in your little black heart you know your God doesn't exist.

That's okay, you're in good company. Most people raised in a faith are afraid to question it, and you can always tell which faiths are the weakest by the ones who ostracize the most members for questioning things.

Evangelical Christians are the weakest of all. Mormons are right up there, but fundies hold the number one spot.

Since: Feb 10

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#244 May 7, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
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LMAO - really? You think you can just post FALSE and that constitutes a rebuttal?

You're an idiot.

Since: Feb 10

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#245 May 7, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
WHY DON'T CHRISTIANS INVENT CONTEMPORARY EVIDENCE, if, as some believe, they forged later non-Biblical references to him and his followers?
They do, moron.

The Shroud of Turin.

The James ossuary.

The Chi-Rho Amulet.

The lead codices.

All those things were invented by contemporary Christians and found to be fakes.

And it keeps happening. Why do you think there are over 30,000 sects of Christianity?
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#246 May 7, 2013
BEELZEBUBlives wrote:
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jesustard, show us the original gospels signed by any of your supposed authors....
They didn't have durable paper back then, nor pens, everything had to be written and copied by by hand.
It is not possible for 1st century documents to survive this long.

YOUR OBVIOUSLY TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT!
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#247 May 7, 2013
The oldest manuscript of the gospels that we found dates from the fourth century, but we have fragments that have been dated from the mid second century and we can deduct the date of composition from references in the texts.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#248 May 7, 2013
OLDEST GOSPEL FRAGMENTS:
http://www.google.com.au/search...
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#250 May 7, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Why do you think there are over 30,000 sects of Christianity?
Because God wants his word to reach as many people as possile.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#251 May 7, 2013
The three main branches of Christianity are Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant (some would add Anglican as a fourth). Most of the denominations that exist today developed in the 500 years since the Protestant Reformation and fall under the "Protestant" branch.
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#254 May 7, 2013
BEELZEBUBlives wrote:
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WOW.. pretty convincing... IDIOT
The temple of Zeus still stands today....Osiris original docs still exist
The Pyramid Texts are a collection of ancient Egyptian religious texts from the time of the Old Kingdom. They are possibly the oldest known religious texts in the world.[1][2] Written in Old Egyptian, the pyramid texts were carved on the walls and sarcophagi of the pyramids at Saqqara during the 5th and 6th Dynasties of the Old Kingdom. The oldest of the texts have been dated to between ca. 2400-2300 BC.[3] Unlike the later Coffin Texts and Book of the Dead, the pyramid texts were reserved only for the pharaoh and were not illustrated.[4] Following the earlier Palermo Stone, the pyramid texts mark the next-oldest known mention of Osiris, who would become the most important deity associated with afterlife in the Ancient Egyptian religion.[5]
DO ANY PYRAMID TEXTS CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN WRITTEN BY EYEWITNESSES?
Why weren't those ancient pyramid texts written on durable paper instead?
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#255 May 7, 2013
Jesus is

Blacktown, Australia

#256 May 7, 2013

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