If you believe in Noah's Ark, you are...
Barnsweb

Louisville, OH

#1166 Mar 14, 2014
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell me who wrote that book. I'm familiar enough with the fundie arguments to know which yokel wrote what.
Case for a creator or the creator, by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist reporter whose wife converted to Christianity. He set out to disprove there is a God and had a number of compelling questions he asked to some of the worlds most respectable expert scientists relating to creation and life. It's a good read and very informative. His style of investigation is also pretty good. After a while, when the evidence is getting massive on the side for a creator, you may observe his stance changing a bit. You may have even more compelling questions, but I think he makes a very good educated and studied look into the matter at some of the deepest and most provocative levels. I usually get my books from Amazon.com , but you might find his works at any major book seller or Christian book store.

He also wrote case for faith and some others that I don't recall at the moment.
john

Athens, GA

#1167 Mar 17, 2014
I am an atheist, and i don't believe in this shit. But i want to clarify what i think happened. There was a guy who saw the tide rising. He got on his small boat with a few farm animals while the tide rose for a couple of days, and the Mediterranean flooded. He later got off and went on with his life. Christians always seem to exaggerate everything extremely. They take moral stories and turn them into reality. I believe that Jesus was a real man, and taught moral stories. I respect him and think that he was a good man. But do i think that he was God? No. I think there was a man named Moses who escaped with a few people and made it to another place and lived there, but died a few years later. I just think that it is complete bullshit that one guy parted a fucking sea. Another reason i think Christianity is bullshit is because they are always being proven wrong. They killed people who thought that the Earth wasn't the center of the solar system. Christians are the ones who burned down black man's houses because they believed god told them. Seriously? Is God really such a douche that he decides to flood the world, kill innocent people on 9/11, natural disasters, and wars, and give people deadly and painful diseases so they can live a short and troublesome life? I always find it funny when I'm watching the news after a natural disaster where there are houses torn down and people dying and suffering, and there is that one redneck who always says that they are praying to god and thanking him that his family lived. God is the one who caused the fucking tornado you idiot. He was the one who killed innocent people. And I believe that, like every other religion in history, Christianity will die out. Just like the Roman Gods, Egyptian Gods, and every other mind boggling religion that makes no sense whatsoever, it will die. It is to me, quite obvious, that this is a made up religion, because no one worshiped the magic man in the sky in Egyptian times, did they? Why worship him now? In what point in time did this man appear? If the world is only 6000 years old, how did the dinosaurs live with fucking humans? And my final statement is why the fuck would you believe a book written by a bunch of guys 2000 years ago, keep you from believing new science innovations that are proven to be 100% true? This shit makes no sense, and believe the world would be a better place with no religion.(also, where the fuck is this place you go up in the sky when you die? Who invented this shit?)

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#1168 Mar 17, 2014
john wrote:
I am an atheist, and i don't believe in this shit. But i want to clarify what i think happened. There was a guy who saw the tide rising. He got on his small boat with a few farm animals while the tide rose for a couple of days, and the Mediterranean flooded. He later got off and went on with his life. Christians always seem to exaggerate everything extremely. They take moral stories and turn them into reality. I believe that Jesus was a real man, and taught moral stories. I respect him and think that he was a good man. But do i think that he was God? No. I think there was a man named Moses who escaped with a few people and made it to another place and lived there, but died a few years later. I just think that it is complete bullshit that one guy parted a fucking sea. Another reason i think Christianity is bullshit is because they are always being proven wrong. They killed people who thought that the Earth wasn't the center of the solar system. Christians are the ones who burned down black man's houses because they believed god told them. Seriously? Is God really such a douche that he decides to flood the world, kill innocent people on 9/11, natural disasters, and wars, and give people deadly and painful diseases so they can live a short and troublesome life? I always find it funny when I'm watching the news after a natural disaster where there are houses torn down and people dying and suffering, and there is that one redneck who always says that they are praying to god and thanking him that his family lived. God is the one who caused the fucking tornado you idiot. He was the one who killed innocent people. And I believe that, like every other religion in history, Christianity will die out. Just like the Roman Gods, Egyptian Gods, and every other mind boggling religion that makes no sense whatsoever, it will die. It is to me, quite obvious, that this is a made up religion, because no one worshiped the magic man in the sky in Egyptian times, did they? Why worship him now? In what point in time did this man appear? If the world is only 6000 years old, how did the dinosaurs live with fucking humans? And my final statement is why the fuck would you believe a book written by a bunch of guys 2000 years ago, keep you from believing new science innovations that are proven to be 100% true? This shit makes no sense, and believe the world would be a better place with no religion.(also, where the fuck is this place you go up in the sky when you die? Who invented this shit?)
John, no one cares what you think...

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1169 Mar 17, 2014
Gabbylittleangel wrote:
Chimpsky;
"Genesis 6:&#65279;21&#65279; And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather itto yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.”
The Bible says that God thought about that. He covered that base too.
There is evidence of the flood, if you care to do the study and research.
I find it a bit silly to attempt to address issues that nonbelievers have concerning the flood or any other issue that they are focused on unless they can get past Genesis 1:1. If you don't believe that verse, then it is totally pointless to discuss the flood, Moses, Abraham, the Cross, the resurrection, heaven, hell, or how corn can grow from seed that has dried up.
Either you believe that God exist, or you don't. Start there.
You see, it would be silly for me to go to an evolution forum and argue if dogs evolved from cats or if elephants evolved from pine trees if I don't believe in evolution in the first place.
Google this, you twit:

"A new look at the Big Bang, moments later - Harvard-led team detects gravitational waves, evidence of cosmic inflation"

And this is what you get:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/science/2014/...

Now that you know that your Bible is wrong about the origin of the universe, you can longer claim it is the infallible word of God.

It's just another book of myths, written by zealots.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1170 Mar 28, 2014
Barnsweb wrote:
<quoted text>
Case for a creator or the creator, by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist reporter whose wife converted to Christianity. He set out to disprove there is a God and had a number of compelling questions he asked to some of the worlds most respectable expert scientists relating to creation and life. It's a good read and very informative. His style of investigation is also pretty good. After a while, when the evidence is getting massive on the side for a creator, you may observe his stance changing a bit. You may have even more compelling questions, but I think he makes a very good educated and studied look into the matter at some of the deepest and most provocative levels. I usually get my books from Amazon.com , but you might find his works at any major book seller or Christian book store.
He also wrote case for faith and some others that I don't recall at the moment.
The whole "Lee Strobel is a former atheist" thing has been debunked. He actually admitted that he BRIEFLY considered himself an atheist when he was 16. In other words, he went through a period of doubt, which happens to a lot of teenaged believers.

What he has ALWAYS been, however, is a con man.
jemery

Roswell, GA

#1171 Mar 30, 2014
Fully agree the bible is full of children's stories. Noah's ark being one of the most ridiculous stories I've ever heard. There is however geological record of higher altitude regions having been covered in ocean. Look at banf Canada. Seashells found in mountains, my bio professor removed them with his hands. What does this prove...the earth has changed over 70 million years, not some crap about a boat that housed every animal on the planet.

Nice to hear some other people see what i see.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#1172 Mar 31, 2014
I see that the movie, Noah has been released and expected to do very well at the box office. Another biblical epic, Exodus, is in the pipeline. One movie critic has said that if these kind of movies prove successful, then the bible could succeed Marvel as Hollywood's favourite new source material. I tend to agree, as comic book stories have indeed proved successful at the box office, and let's face it, the bible is full of comic book stories!

“Jesus is Lord”

Since: Aug 11

Greenwood, Indiana

#1173 Mar 31, 2014
angelinaUK wrote:
I may be getting just a little forgetful but I am sure we already had a couple of very long threads on this subject quite recently.
You are 100% right we did had long threads on Noah's Ark. They all come up with nothing but just mankind lies and hot air, just like this thread does. This person only want to show how much Satan controls their lift. I want to see 100% proof that the story of Noah is wrong but no one have show us anything yet. The smarts brain's in the world can not come up with 100% proof on the Bible or Noah's Ark "FACT"....

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#1174 Mar 31, 2014
Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1175 Mar 31, 2014
-FRED- wrote:
Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Luke 17:26 (NKJV)
26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:

This is the terminal generation.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#1178 Apr 6, 2014
-FRED- wrote:
Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
But God did NOT destroy ALL flesh, and he did NOT destroy the earth.

God lied.

God also said, "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood."

Do you understand the implication of that statement? God is saying that even though he drowned all those people to rid the world of evil, he FAILED. He drowned all those wicked people, and left only Noah and his family, and still EVERY inclination of humans is evil.

Not only did God drown all those people for nothing, he also admits something that makes him look really bad - he admits that there is NOTHING he can do to prevent humans from having evil thoughts.

Do you really understand what that means? Your God admits he is POWERLESS to do anything about the problem of evil!

And don't forget that your God created evil in the first place. Oh yes he did - before Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God had already created the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That means that evil existed BEFORE Eve ate the fruit!

Your God is a fiction, my friend, and the Bible is a book of myths and fables. Wake up already.

Since: Mar 14

Location hidden

#1179 Apr 6, 2014
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
But God did NOT destroy ALL flesh, and he did NOT destroy the earth.
God lied.
God also said, "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood."
Do you understand the implication of that statement? God is saying that even though he drowned all those people to rid the world of evil, he FAILED. He drowned all those wicked people, and left only Noah and his family, and still EVERY inclination of humans is evil.
Not only did God drown all those people for nothing, he also admits something that makes him look really bad - he admits that there is NOTHING he can do to prevent humans from having evil thoughts.
Do you really understand what that means? Your God admits he is POWERLESS to do anything about the problem of evil!
And don't forget that your God created evil in the first place. Oh yes he did - before Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God had already created the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That means that evil existed BEFORE Eve ate the fruit!
Your God is a fiction, my friend, and the Bible is a book of myths and fables. Wake up already.
What you say makes a lot of sense actually.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#1180 Apr 6, 2014
HighlyEvolved wrote:
<quoted text>
But God did NOT destroy ALL flesh, and he did NOT destroy the earth.
God lied.
God also said, "Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood."
Do you understand the implication of that statement? God is saying that even though he drowned all those people to rid the world of evil, he FAILED. He drowned all those wicked people, and left only Noah and his family, and still EVERY inclination of humans is evil.
Not only did God drown all those people for nothing, he also admits something that makes him look really bad - he admits that there is NOTHING he can do to prevent humans from having evil thoughts.
Do you really understand what that means? Your God admits he is POWERLESS to do anything about the problem of evil!
And don't forget that your God created evil in the first place. Oh yes he did - before Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God had already created the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That means that evil existed BEFORE Eve ate the fruit!
Your God is a fiction, my friend, and the Bible is a book of myths and fables. Wake up already.
So apparently, all flesh that was vile in GOD's eye was destroyed. Apparently Noah and fam were the only 'righteous' ones left... huh, just sayin'...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#1181 Apr 6, 2014
NDanger wrote:
<quoted text>
So apparently, all flesh that was vile in GOD's eye was destroyed. Apparently Noah and fam were the only 'righteous' ones left... huh, just sayin'...
I noticed how you used the word "righteous", so perhaps you believe that Noah was far from righteous. Like that other "righteous" character Lot, whom the biblical god also thought to be worth saving, Noah got drunk and lay naked in his tent. Unlike Lot, he didn't have sex with his daughters, I don't think he had daughters anyway, but he did put a curse on Ham's son Canaan, although why he did so when it was Ham who discovered him drunk and naked, some even accusing Ham of an indecent act against his father. Based on the Lot and Noah yarns, I have always thought the biblical god's idea of righteousness to be rather strange!

Since: Apr 14

Fonthill, Canada

#1182 Apr 6, 2014
NoamChimpsky wrote:
There is zero evidence of a worldwide flood. Let's put aside the fact that a great flood would have been physically impossible and that there are no geological records indicating one ever happened, at least while humans existed, and just use our logic on this one.
Here's what the Dallas zoo needs every single day.
* A ton of hay
* 35 pounds of fish
* 50 pounds of meat
* 100 stalks of celery
* five pounds of red onions
* 100 pounds of carrots
* 25 pounds of spinach
* 15 pounds of kale
* 10 pounds of mixed vegetables
* 150 pounds of sweet potatoes
* 10 heads of cabbage
* 48 heads of romaine
* 30 ears of corn
* four loaves of wheat bread
* 24 eggs
* a pound of yogurt
* 40 pounds of bananas
* eight pounds of blueberries
* 170 oranges
* 500 apples
* 36 cantaloupes
* four papayas
* 250 rodents (the variety pack)
* 6000 mealworms
* 600 wax worms
* 7500 crickets
Remember, it rained for 40 days/nights, and then they had to wait around for the water to drain away (again, where did it go?) for some more weeks. This list of food is what the Dallas Zoo needs every day. Multiply this by 50 or 60 days... Say that Noah only needed half a ton of hay a day. That's 30 tons of hay for the whole cruise. Exactly where did they keep this? How did they gather it all in advance of the rain? If you gathered 100 pounds of hay every day, it would take you 20 days per ton. So you'd have to do nothing but gather hay for 600 days to get 30 tons together.
Now I'm using logic again here, so I'm sure I've lost you by now, but if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to?
And how did the animals get there? How exactly did the wombats and kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia? Did the swim? Did the Polar bears swim tens of thousands of miles to get there?
This is such a ludicrous fairy tale I could sit here all day poking holes in this nonsense, just asking common sense questions. You don't even need science to disprove the Noah's Ark myth, just a brain.
At the time of the flood human populations were still centralized and isolated, Although the entire world was not flooded the story of Noah's arc stands strong.#realtalk
A man

Chandler, AZ

#1183 Apr 22, 2014
Gabbylittleangel wrote:
Chimpsky;
"Genesis 6:&#65279;21&#65279; And you shall take for yourself of all food that is eaten, and you shall gather itto yourself; and it shall be food for you and for them.”
The Bible says that God thought about that. He covered that base too.
There is evidence of the flood, if you care to do the study and research.
I find it a bit silly to attempt to address issues that nonbelievers have concerning the flood or any other issue that they are focused on unless they can get past Genesis 1:1. If you don't believe that verse, then it is totally pointless to discuss the flood, Moses, Abraham, the Cross, the resurrection, heaven, hell, or how corn can grow from seed that has dried up.
Either you believe that God exist, or you don't. Start there.
You see, it would be silly for me to go to an evolution forum and argue if dogs evolved from cats or if elephants evolved from pine trees if I don't believe in evolution in the first place.
You know you keep on saying research and evidence but u know u really haven't told us anything yet about your research and god did kill the world population for a really stupid reason and obvious observation such as," the world looks pretty evil now I think I'll kill everyone and then let Noah commit incest and repopulate the world, and I think I'll also kill all the animals besides humans too. And though I'm not sure why I've decided to flood the world instead of of just making the people dissapear I also don't know why... Actually screw it yolo ... Oh wait that doesn't work on me."

See its stupid.... as if the world wasn't probably as evil as it was before god did his "attempt" (unsuccessful)to eradicate all life expt for Noah and his family.

And besides u said that its pointless to argue with people who haven't read the bible....well.....frankly since some people already know most of what its about ( complete bull dung) I believe its a waste of time I mean come on guys time to grow up. Its getting ridiculous.

Also a lot of wars have also started because of... Actually no I don't think I'll continue. If you guys still believe this stuff its ur own problem now.
buck

AOL

#1184 Apr 22, 2014
And if you do not believe in Noah's ark you have yet to be educated :)
Fossils prove the existence of a universal flood, polystrate fossils
which are tree fossils found upright deep in the earth should be
sufficient evidence of the Flood. These type fossils are found all
over the world. There are high rocky clefts in France, more than 1,000
feet above plains with gathered animal and human remains dated to
the time of the Flood. Why so many discovered together on such a
high elevation? To escape the rising flood waters makes perfect sense.
Can you offer a better or more acceptable explanation?
buck

AOL

#1185 Apr 22, 2014
btw I do not consider you to be a certified moron for choosing not
to believe in Noah's Ark, LOL

Since: Sep 12

Clarkston, Wa.

#1186 Apr 22, 2014
Seentheotherside wrote:
Part II

Water on the Earth
Let's imagine that, through an act of divine will, the water suspended in the atmosphere fell only on terra firma and did not flow into the oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, and streams. In other words, it fell upon the solid area, which corresponds to roughly 30% of the planet's surface, and stayed there. In this case, the height achieved would be:

h = V/A = 13 x 1018cm3/15.3 x 1017 cm2 = 8.5 cm

Therefore, if all of the water in the atmosphere were to fall only on the solid part of the planet and stayed there, this water would reach a height of 8.5 centimeters. This also is not enough to characterize a flood.

Rain Limited to the East

Allowing that, by an act of divine will, the water had fallen upon humanity of that bygone age, and stayed there, what would have happened? Before answering that question, let's circumscribe the region. From the Book of Genesis, it can be concluded that biblical history, from the moment of creation, through the deluge, and up to Moses, takes place in a geographic region of the East that encompasses at most what is today the territories of Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Egypt. These territories, taken together, correspond to an approximate area of 6,437 km², which is approximately 1/80th of the area of the planet.

Therefore, if the rain had fallen only in this area without flowing into the seas, the height is would have reached would be 80 times the height found for the whole planet, which is to say, 2.55 cm x 80=204 cm=2.4 m. This height is still very small in comparison with the biblical description.

An Even More Limited Area

The biblical narrative, up to the time of the deluge, permits us to infer that the scene of these events was a part of what is today the territories of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Palestine, Israel, and Lebanon. However, it is impossible to establish the scenario with more precision. Let's consider these territories in their totality, which today add up to an area of 1,537,886 km². This corresponds to approximately 1/331th of the total surface of the earth. If the water found in the atmosphere had fallen only there and remained, the height reached would be 2.55 cm x 331=844 cm=8,44 m. This is still far from reaching what is described in the Bible, even when we consider the areas occupied by mountains.

Complementary Discussion

It can be argued that:

-- The existing water in the atmosphere at the time of the deluge was greater.
-- The volume of water that falls today during the year as rain on the surface of the planet is greater than the cited volume of 13 x 1018cm3.

It is improbable that the volume of water in the atmosphere was greater than it is today. If it were twice as much, it would cause a great deal of environmental imbalance and, even so, the height reached would be insignificant when compared with the biblical proportions.

The volume of water that precipitates over the earth during one year is about 30 times the volume that remains suspended in the atmosphere. This is due to the continuous movement of evaporation-precipitation-evap oration. In the biblical deluge, it rained for forty days and forty nights and there was no evaporation; the water found in the atmosphere is what must have fallen.

Conclusion

It can be finally concluded that occurs a very big disagreement between the Bible and our current knowledge, acquired through scientific research, with respect to the deluge.
You have not added or check the Noah account as it says that most of the water came from underneath the ground how do you miss this very important fact in the Noah account of the flood why do most ppl miss this could it be that they never read it for them selfs and only rely on what the were told hmmm?

Since: Sep 12

Clarkston, Wa.

#1187 Apr 22, 2014
par five wrote:
I see that the movie, Noah has been released and expected to do very well at the box office. Another biblical epic, Exodus, is in the pipeline. One movie critic has said that if these kind of movies prove successful, then the bible could succeed Marvel as Hollywood's favourite new source material. I tend to agree, as comic book stories have indeed proved successful at the box office, and let's face it, the bible is full of comic book stories!
The only problem with these Hollywood bible stories is that they don't follow what the bible says as a bible Christian my self so when Hollywood does this kind of thing they leave out lots of bible and most ppl are not going to know they only see what the director wants them to see same with the t.v. Bible series. Btw People don't go to heaven when they die read the bible you see it for your self it's funny that people want to be rebels but there's no rebels anymore. If people want to be a real rebel read your bible because no one is doing that anymore .

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