Ian

Chelmsford, UK

#22 Dec 21, 2008
Much like those "pro-lifers" who murder Doctors.
John -Working on it wrote:
<quoted text>
It has been my experience that the person who has no argument,.... attacks....... sort of proving that water seeks its own level
John -Working on it

Sparta, MO

#23 Dec 21, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL....what are you talking about, I have no "argument"? Have you read any of my posts? I use logic to refute everything you tools believe about the ark fairy tale. Of course I call you guys mental cases (because you are), but I have also used irrefutable logic to respond to everything. So far all you've done is cry about the fact that I refer to you guys as wackos, which you are, yet you haven't even bothered to refute a single word I've typed. Feel free to try to refute anything I've said, but please don't sit there throwing a temper tantrum like a little baby.
My comment stands, Matthew 7:6

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#24 Dec 21, 2008
guest wrote:
There are larger problems than the food. In fact that is one of the smaller problems, but definitely worth note.
The increase of genetic material from 8 people to all the diversity we see today would have to be insane.
40000 feet of water coming and going without leaving any evidence. For those that say "every rock is a flood rock", even if that were true, this flood isnt an ordinary flood, it would have left VERY different evidence than what we see. It would have demolished everything in its path. We are talking 1000 feet of water a DAY falling. 41 feet an HOUR falling, which equates to 500 INCHES AN HOUR. Even if HALF came from under the ocean, this is still 250 INCHES AN HOUR. This would leave evidence like no other. If we see 3"/hr today we are talking a downpour.
This much water would have caused the earth to become so hot, any way you do it, to have killed noah and everything on his ark, The fish in the sea, the insects that supposedly werent in it, and everything else. In short it would be like putting the earth in an autoclave.
The salinity in the sea dropping would have killed all sealife even if it hadnt boiled the seas, so these would have to fit on the boat.
I know i know goddidit, but in reality these are major obstacles that god would have had to magically fix to make this story viable. The list of problems like this is endless with this story. I saw a creation site say that the largest animal would have weighed a couple hundred lbs, when in reality adolescent dinosaurs (who must have been on the ark) would weigh a few tons in the larger species, and in fact would eat the ark empty in no time.
I know, there are far bigger fallacies to this myth than the problem with the food food, but we only have 4000 characters in these boxes! The fact is, every single aspect of this fairy tale is completely illogical and easily disproved by physical science. If I were to debunk EVERYTHING about this story, well I'd be typing all day! I agree 100% with everything you said, but we could start a whole new thread about the physical impossibility of that much rain and where all the water went. We haven't even talked about the fact that a boat of that size could never have been built out of wood, or where this magical "gopher wood" comes from and why we've never found any of it. Thank you for offering even more wisdom to this thread.

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#25 Dec 21, 2008
John -Working on it wrote:
<quoted text>
My comment stands, Matthew 7:6
So far, you have yet to even attempt to refute a word I've said. I don't know, or care, what Matthew 76 is. It means nothing to me. What I'd like to see is you christians actually use your own words to respond. I feel like I'm doing all the thinking here. Here I sit, taking the time to organize my thoughts and share them with all of you, and you respond with loony nonsense like bible verses and "god did it!" It's frustrating.
Gabbylittleangel

Lutz, FL

#26 Dec 21, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should I show insanity any respect at all? Do people show scientologists respect? Do people show guys who claimed they were anally probed by aliens respect? Do people show some guy walking down the street having a conversation with himself respect? Of course not, we view these people as mental cases. Belief in a the Noah's ark myth is no different.
Also, I can't be smarter than something that doesn't exist. However, I am smarter than the dupes who believe this nonsense and continue to regurgitate it to this very day.

And how do you view someone who is as brilliant, talented and gifted as you, trying to force their intelligence on "mental cases"?
Do you have a goal?

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#27 Dec 21, 2008
John -Working on it wrote:
<quoted text>
My comment stands, Matthew 7:6
But the pearls you are casting are imitation John, they are not real, just like the story of Noah's ark is not real, at least not to anyone with even a modicum of common sense.
Patriot

Berthoud, CO

#28 Dec 21, 2008
Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
Web posted at: 1/19/2008 5:50:44

Source : The Peninsula / BY SATISH KANADY
Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border)

For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.

A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.

The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration.“It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.

The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.

Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.

“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.

One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.

“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.

Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.

Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.

“History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions” he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.

Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#29 Dec 21, 2008
Gabbylittleangel wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you view someone who is as brilliant, talented and gifted as you, trying to force their intelligence on "mental cases"?
Do you have a goal?
My goal is to engage you people in actual discussion and give you a chance to defend you crazy beliefs. So far, I've gotten about what I expected though. Just a bunch of irrational nuts who would rather sit there and cry about how their fragile beliefs are being "attacked", rather than actually logically addressing a single point I've made.
Patriot

Berthoud, CO

#30 Dec 21, 2008
Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
Web posted at: 1/19/2008 5:50:44

Source : The Peninsula / BY SATISH KANADY
Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border)

For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.

A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.

The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration.“It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.

The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.

Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.

“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.

One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.

“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.

Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.

Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.

“History has more than one times corroborated the legendary evidence that the ark was nestled on Mount Ararat. We will introduce the latest findings to the world and continue the scientific study. All interested scientists and NGOs can join our missions” he said. However, he said, those who are involved in the project must ensure the findings are not used politically, religiously, or for any vested interest.

Located in the Far Eastern Turkey, Ararat is great prize for mountain collectors. Ark sighting has often been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.
Gabbylittleangel

Lutz, FL

#31 Dec 21, 2008
par five wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go, problem solved, "God did it!"
BIG BANG!
Nothing turned itself into everything.

humming birds______ elephants
salt ______water ______ sanddirt______ gold
dirt______ gold
pine trees______ palm trees______
blue______ red ______yellow
cold______hot
giraffees______ lady bugs
apes _______ man
(The blanks are missing links)
dats______cogs (<---proof that cats and dogs evolved)
Gabbylittleangel

Lutz, FL

#32 Dec 21, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
<quoted text>
My goal is to engage you people in actual discussion and give you a chance to defend you crazy beliefs. So far, I've gotten about what I expected though. Just a bunch of irrational nuts who would rather sit there and cry about how their fragile beliefs are being "attacked", rather than actually logically addressing a single point I've made.

wow. true love in action! thanks for caring.

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#33 Dec 21, 2008
Patriot wrote:
Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
Web posted at: 1/19/2008 5:50:44
Source : The Peninsula / BY SATISH KANADY
Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border)
For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”, to prove that the Ark was nestled on Mount Ararat, Turkey’s highest mountain peak bordering Iran and Armenia.
A panel of experts, comprising Turkish authorities, veteran mountaineers, archaeologists, geologists and members of Hong Kong-based Noah’s Ark Ministries International, also displayed an almost one-metre-long peice of petrified wood before the media and specially invited international experts.
The experts claimed it to be a part of a long structure they had unearthed during their February-August 2007 exploration.“It is for the first time in the history of the Ark search that an exploration team is getting a material evidence and graphic documentation. This makes it not only a the significant breakthrough in the Ark-search, but one that is supported with the most substantial evidence in recent history,” the panel said.
The revelation is expected to open up a fresh chapter in the ongoing debates in the scientific community on the search for Noah’s Ark.
Narrating the genesis of their exploration on Mount Ararat, the mount which has a direct reference in Holy Quran (Mount Judi) and Bible, the panel said the search team had made several foiled attempts before unearthing the evidence at an altitude of 4,500-metres of the estimated 5,165 metre volcanic mountain.
“The structure was discovered in the interiors of an unusual cave. The 11.5m wide and 2.6m high white wooden texture was revealed after removing thick layers of volcanic ash on the cave wall,” panel members said at a press conference.
One of the underlying issues in the search for the Ark is the proper identification of its wood fragments. A petrographic examination carried out by the Applied Geoscience Centre of the Department of Earth Sciences, University of Hong Kong, identified the object as a petrified wooden structure, the panel said.
“Some of the big holes found on the structure indicate the locations where branches used to grow on tree. In places, original holes are partly or completely replaced by individual minerals and crystalline materials that can be found in rock materials,” said Dr Ahmet Ozbek, a panel member, who is also a faculty of Geology Engineering Kahramanmara Suctcu Imam University.
Dismissing the possibilities of the structure being wood that could appear naturally around the discovery site, Professor Oktay Belli, director, Eurasian Archaeology Institute, University of Istanbul, said researches have proved that there was no vegetation on Mount Ararat ever since 2000BC, because of the asperities of Ararat’s climate.
Talking to The Peninsula, Cemalettin Demircioglu, Dogubayazit City Governor, under whose jurisdiction the mount is located, said the civic body will invite more international experts to conduct further scientific studies on Mount Ararat.
Well then where are they hiding this so-called "evidence"? Who exactly are the people who have found it? How come they only brought back a one-meter long board and not more of the "structure"? How do they know it's from the "ark" and wasn't placed in the cave by someone a few thousand years ago? How come multiple scientific authorities haven't independently verified its authenticity? Why is it not on display where it can be viewed by the public? What method did they use to determine its age?
This definitely sounds like a hoax, and seeing as how all of the questions I asked are unanswered, it's a poorly-written article. And what is the "Peninsula" anyway? Sorry guys, you'll have to do a lot better than this.

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#34 Dec 21, 2008
Gabbylittleangel wrote:
<quoted text>
BIG BANG!
Nothing turned itself into everything.
humming birds______ elephants
salt ______water ______ sanddirt______ gold
dirt______ gold
pine trees______ palm trees______
blue______ red ______yellow
cold______hot
giraffees______ lady bugs
apes _______ man
(The blanks are missing links)
dats______cogs (<---proof that cats and dogs evolved)
That is a logical fallacy. Just because it's too complicated for you to comprehend doesn't mean evolution isn't real. Just saying something "couldn't possibly have happened" is not an argument and doesn't prove anything. Also, your ancestral lines are way off. Evolution science does not claim that elephants turned into hummingbirds or whatever nonsense you claim. However, these things did evolve from a common ancestor, yet along different ancestral lines. Your whole understanding of evolution is extremely juvenile and flawed.

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#35 Dec 21, 2008
Gabbylittleangel wrote:
<quoted text>
wow. true love in action! thanks for caring.
I notice, despite how many chances you're given, you continue to completely dodge the topic.

“Dont look in his eyes”

Since: Oct 08

Bilskirnir

#36 Dec 21, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
There is zero evidence of a worldwide flood. Let's put aside the fact that a great flood would have been physically impossible and that there are no geological records indicating one ever happened, at least while humans existed, and just use our logic on this one.
Here's what the Dallas zoo needs every single day.
* A ton of hay
* 35 pounds of fish
* 50 pounds of meat
* 100 stalks of celery
* five pounds of red onions
* 100 pounds of carrots
* 25 pounds of spinach
* 15 pounds of kale
* 10 pounds of mixed vegetables
* 150 pounds of sweet potatoes
* 10 heads of cabbage
* 48 heads of romaine
* 30 ears of corn
* four loaves of wheat bread
* 24 eggs
* a pound of yogurt
* 40 pounds of bananas
* eight pounds of blueberries
* 170 oranges
* 500 apples
* 36 cantaloupes
* four papayas
* 250 rodents (the variety pack)
* 6000 mealworms
* 600 wax worms
* 7500 crickets
Remember, it rained for 40 days/nights, and then they had to wait around for the water to drain away (again, where did it go?) for some more weeks. This list of food is what the Dallas Zoo needs every day. Multiply this by 50 or 60 days... Say that Noah only needed half a ton of hay a day. That's 30 tons of hay for the whole cruise. Exactly where did they keep this? How did they gather it all in advance of the rain? If you gathered 100 pounds of hay every day, it would take you 20 days per ton. So you'd have to do nothing but gather hay for 600 days to get 30 tons together.
Now I'm using logic again here, so I'm sure I've lost you by now, but if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to?
And how did the animals get there? How exactly did the wombats and kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia? Did the swim? Did the Polar bears swim tens of thousands of miles to get there?
This is such a ludicrous fairy tale I could sit here all day poking holes in this nonsense, just asking common sense questions. You don't even need science to disprove the Noah's Ark myth, just a brain.
Do me a favor and read this, It is about astronomy, lunar and Earth cycles and ancient priest astronomers.

http://www.creation-answers.com/flood.htm

It also crosses scientific knowledge to the times recorded in Genesis, the author concludes that the flood was real but if you look past that you will see that he has presented HUGE amounts of astronomical facts, and it is my opinion that in this data/astronomical facts is the true meaning of the flood.

The math and astronomy adds up, and in this is the true teaching.
guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#37 Dec 21, 2008
Patriot wrote:
Noah’s Ark nestled on Mount Ararat
Web posted at: 1/19/2008 5:50:44
Source : The Peninsula / BY SATISH KANADY
Dogubayazit (Turkey’s Iran-Armenian Border)
For the first time in the seven decade-long history of the search for the legendary Noah’s Ark, a Turkish-Hong Kong exploration team on Tuesday came out with “material evidence”,... been reported from this mountain. The observation of Vessel-shaped features in aerial photograph of Ararat had caused a stir in the late 1950’s. However, this is the first time an exploration team is coming out with “material evidence”.
You might want to talk to the other dozen or so groups that claim to have found the ark, you may be stepping on the toes of god here...

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#38 Dec 21, 2008
No one important wrote:
<quoted text>
Do me a favor and read this, It is about astronomy, lunar and Earth cycles and ancient priest astronomers.
http://www.creation-answers.com/flood.htm
It also crosses scientific knowledge to the times recorded in Genesis, the author concludes that the flood was real but if you look past that you will see that he has presented HUGE amounts of astronomical facts, and it is my opinion that in this data/astronomical facts is the true meaning of the flood.
The math and astronomy adds up, and in this is the true teaching.
Why do you christians always copy and paste links to propaganda websites, yet you never seem to respond to anything in your own words? I'm not scientist, but without reading too much of this nonsense site, I would have to assume that the "scientific facts" the author references probably are not agreed upon by legitimate scientists. This is another tactic christian "scientists" use. they provide misinformation about topics that lay-people know little about, and in most cases only a scientist would understand the topic enough to be able to confirm or refute it.
guest

Poplar Bluff, MO

#39 Dec 21, 2008
No one important wrote:
<quoted text>
Do me a favor and read this, It is about astronomy, lunar and Earth cycles and ancient priest astronomers.
http://www.creation-answers.com/flood.htm
It also crosses scientific knowledge to the times recorded in Genesis, the author concludes that the flood was real but if you look past that you will see that he has presented HUGE amounts of astronomical facts, and it is my opinion that in this data/astronomical facts is the true meaning of the flood.
The math and astronomy adds up, and in this is the true teaching.
This entire article doesnt overcome a single problem we presented. I admit i didnt read every word, it was just saying the same thing over and over and i began to skim half way through. How does this validate a flood in anyones mind? What foolproof evidence do you find here?

“Religion is for stupid people”

Since: May 08

Anytown, USA

#40 Dec 21, 2008
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
This entire article doesnt overcome a single problem we presented. I admit i didnt read every word, it was just saying the same thing over and over and i began to skim half way through. How does this validate a flood in anyones mind? What foolproof evidence do you find here?
The article doesn't even attempt to summarize or present any sort of thesis. I don't see how it in any way is "proof" of a great flood. It talks about lunar cycles and bible predictions, but what is it supposed to prove? And how does anything in that website explain where all the water went after the flood, where that much water came from, how that many animals fit on one wooden ship, how animals on different continents got to the middle east, etc? It was a worthless link, one that I don't even think the guy posting it understands.

“Dont look in his eyes”

Since: Oct 08

Bilskirnir

#41 Dec 21, 2008
NoamChimpsky wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you christians always copy and paste links to propaganda websites, yet you never seem to respond to anything in your own words? I'm not scientist, but without reading too much of this nonsense site, I would have to assume that the "scientific facts" the author references probably are not agreed upon by legitimate scientists. This is another tactic christian "scientists" use. they provide misinformation about topics that lay-people know little about, and in most cases only a scientist would understand the topic enough to be able to confirm or refute it.
No, the site is extremely scientific. It has to do with the phases of the Moon, Earth and mathematics and systems of counting and calendar, you should read it instead of dismissing it as some sort of Christian propaganda.

Most "Christians" will foam at the mouth over what it says, for it shows there is some sort of reason to the numbers and times contained in Genesis and that reason has to do with the cycles of the Earth, Moon and mans counting.

As far as me not posting in my words there is too much info in there for me to put into words, but I will try.

The flood story has to do with astronomical events, and synchronization of these events spanning 1600 plus years. Why should I write you a paper that is already written, I can reference the original writer and give them the credit instead of plagiarism them.

I give you a good link that is full of SCIENTIFIC facts and you call me a Christian propagandist. Small minds a very shallow.

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